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[Rumor] Brad Sams: Xbox Scarlett Cloud box information leaked (Next-gen; Traditional system as well)
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I'm guessing Our Streaming Future means the end of suspend modes, then. I will resist violently!
I have limited experience with cloud gaming (only tried PS Now when it first launched), but the process wasn't as smooth as I would have liked -- it performed a connection test every time I loaded the game... if that's still the case, or if there are other/similar junky behaviors involved with starting a cloud-based game then I will resist that crap as well. It needs to be as smooth as Netflix or it'll be a non-starter
That said, a combination of GamePass plus an AppleTV-like device would be a very interesting thing to see
I have limited experience with cloud gaming (only tried PS Now when it first launched), but the process wasn't as smooth as I would have liked -- it performed a connection test every time I loaded the game... if that's still the case, or if there are other/similar junky behaviors involved with starting a cloud-based game then I will resist that crap as well. It needs to be as smooth as Netflix or it'll be a non-starter
That said, a combination of GamePass plus an AppleTV-like device would be a very interesting thing to see
no, there are releasing two separate consoles. Did you even think before posting this?
One area that ScarCo will have a huge advantage over traditional consoles will be game patches. They should be almost non existent as they are handled on the server side with massive amounts of hardware. Really the only downtime you'd have would be system updates or if your internet goes down. It will be interesting to see how MP games fare in regards to dedicated servers. Would they have to be hosted there in MS Azure data centers or could be offsite as well?
If anything it should improve. They could just suspend your VM sessions and let you pick up where you left off (at least for SP games) just like save states on emulators.
If they want to minimise errors in the locally synthesized frames, the CPU may need to be able to do pretty much everything that the dedicated box would do.
That might rule out some class of device in the short term i.e. lower power generic devices.
It would basically only work on devices with a CPU >= a next Xbox CPU. If they're doing things the way I think they are, at least.
It would also explain why they'd have their own box for this. If it was a service that could run on generic devices and mobile, I'd have my doubts they'd release a special box for it.
I use AMD and don't exist GeForce Now on Brazil (not official) and Nvidia refuse to launch Nvidia Shield here because 'brazillians have a poor internet connection'.
Question will be, is what the price difference will be. I know a lot of people in rural areas that cannot get PSNow to work efficiently enough, let alone their entire gaming library on a console. They would have to opt for the at home model. Is $500 going to be the entry point for that? This could be a huge issue in rural areas, and other countries.
Probably due to the processing and storage requirements that were implied in their solution to handle latency locally on the streaming device.
Do you think they will release the main console at a more competitive price to incentivise the streaming box? Like £350 as with the PS4?
Then you're perfect for MS' future where they control your entire gaming life and can dictate what you have available. I'm not going to give in to that very easily especially with streaming, the worst way to play a game possible.
If anything they may release the real box at a higher price to push as many as possible into their streaming trap and lock them in for the future.
I don't think the fact that there is a special box is because it needs a unique piece of hardware. Having shelf space and being able to market and push a device like that helps way more then just pushing an app or something for awareness. Having 3 boxes on a shelf, a $499 Xbox / PS5 and a $99 XB Infinite and seeing that they all play the same games has some sort of importance.
How do you feel about PSNow and whatever that new Nvidia offering is called ?
If I had to take a stab in the dark I would say 4 to 1. 4 streamers to 1 full console, that is.
"control", "dictate", your agenda is quite obvious, as is your condescending tone.
I, too, have played a lot of games I otherwise never would have due to GamePass, all the while I continue to play and buy games that I WANT to buy. It's a win-win, yet you manage to find an L in there somewhere.
That's weak. And illuminating. Streaming's biggest roadblocks are going to be availability and infrastructure. It's going to be a long time before streaming is viable in most parts of the world.
I mentioned GeForce Now specifically because it is somehow almost entirely without latency, to a degree I haven't experienced with any other streaming solution. It's a remote streaming solution that feels local. It's almost magical.
This sounds neat. I can imagine this streaming box will have some local storage for games. Downloading some small assets and code for local compute and the cloud for some more heavy lifting. It will probably have a decent SoC on board as well. In terms of wireless, I can see it having the latest wifi and even a 5G chip as some ISP's are probably going to make that their home internet for a simple solution(ATT).
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Yeah maybe. Anyways there are too few information about how that tech really works so I won't speculate further about it. But if the report says that MS is confident about it, I think that it probably is something new and noteworthy.
Wait and see if my man Brad Sams comes with new details in the coming weeks.
I'm skeptical about this revolutionary collision detection tech, how exactly would work in Xbox One games (by then they're gonna be BC games)? Especially 3rd party games without any access to the internal physics code.
I wouldent be surprised if PSNOW started including sony exclusives and sony price match gamepass.
The last time i tried game streaming was with onlive years ago on my PC.It was terrible with 1-2seconds input lag and really low res soft image.
After watching this I had no idea streaming has got a lot better.
The last time i tried game streaming was with onlive years ago on my PC.It was terrible with 1-2seconds input lag and really low res soft image.
After watching this I had no idea streaming has got a lot better.
I don't use any of it and won't if I have a say in the matter.
Yeah and I can play them offline and if I wanted to, patch in fixes if Steam ever tried anything. You won't ever have that backup option on consoles, you'll be completely at MS' mercy. Getting around Steam would just be an annoyance at most since the PC platform is entirely open.
Yeah that feels like the obvious "well of course that'll happen" solution, but again in my limited experience it wasn't anywhere close to that. And then we get into technical specifics like how many game states will you be allowed to have, how long will they be stored for, etc... I have faith that we'll eventually get there, but it'll need to get there before I give it a shot
No, i do not think 1 billion people will buy a streaming box, but it does open up to a significant market because it's priced lower and can deliver tons of different home entertainment that devices like the Apple TV cannot because it presumably offers high-end video games with little compromise for casual users. You hear tons of people say they want to play x video game, but don't own a device capable of playing it, the streaming service is the way to sell those consumers those games without requiring them to make a big investment.
The streaming box is not the big deal here, it's the service behind it and getting access to a huge library of quality games on any device you own for the same price as a Netflix subscription is a pretty good value proposition for a segment that doesn't spend tons of money on video games. We should absolutely care that things like this are being developed as it benefits us as consumers by potentially leading to more games being financially viable due to the added income this might bring, especially in a world where games are unsuccessful despite selling millions of copies.
The worst way to play a game? Really lol? Exaggerate much? Is netflix the worst way to watch a movie?
Games (just like movies) arent gonna just stop being sold physically or digitally cause gamepass is around. This is just another way to play a ton of games and not have to pay a ton of money to have access to them. Its literally just netflix, only for games. Its an option for people who want that.
lets say you get home after just buying a next gen console and instead of having to drop another 140$ to have games for it, you can just subscribe to gamepass and have access to a few new "next gen" games for 10$ a month. Still a bad idea?
Jesus, some people...
Did not read anything did we? If you want a traditional console they are making one, if you want a cheap streaming stick that plays the exact same game you can try that as well.
I would imagine streaming would be available on the scarlett pro on game pass so people can play the cloud version while the local version is installing or for demos and game trials.
So essentially a glorified PS Now esque box?
Not for me so I got nothing against it. I'm expecting streaming to be a bit shit for most folks, especially in the US.
I'll wait for the more traditional console.
Not for me so I got nothing against it. I'm expecting streaming to be a bit shit for most folks, especially in the US.
I'll wait for the more traditional console.
You are the third person to say this. i am clearly talking about wasting R&D resources on making a second console.
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Would it not be possible for the Scarlett Cloud streaming box to have access to games running on hardware in the cloud that is of even higher spec than the traditional next gen Xbox console?
Then I would also ask, with the traditional next gen Xbox console, which will run Scarlett games locally, like any other normal console, could that also be capable of streaming in games, in the future, that couldn't run 100% locally on that console?
Lets say Square Enix or whoever, makes a game that uses full-on real-time raytracing that requires 30 to 40 TFlops. Couldn't that run on high-end hardware in the cloud, and be streamed to either the traditional Xbox console or the streaming console?
Take GeForce Now for example, you can play games that run in the cloud on a GTX 1080 PC (and for less money, a GTX 1060 PC), what would prevent the GeForce Now service from eventually using non-local PCs that have GTX 1180 / Ti / 1280 / Ti etc that accelerate RTX raytracing?
Would it not be possible for the Scarlett Cloud streaming box to have access to games running on hardware in the cloud that is of even higher spec than the traditional next gen Xbox console?
Then I would also ask, with the traditional next gen Xbox console, which will run Scarlett games locally, like any other normal console, could that also be capable of streaming in games, in the future, that couldn't run 100% locally on that console?
Lets say Square Enix or whoever, makes a game that uses full-on real-time raytracing that requires 30 to 40 TFlops. Couldn't that run on high-end hardware in the cloud, and be streamed to either the traditional Xbox console or the streaming console?
Take GeForce Now for example, you can play games that run in the cloud on a GTX 1080 PC (and for less money, a GTX 1060 PC), what would prevent the GeForce Now service from eventually using non-local PCs that have GTX 1180 / Ti / 1280 / Ti etc that accelerate RTX raytracing?
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This might frame Phil Spencer's comments about network and cloud services and the number of Hardware teams at Microsoft pouring into this next gen of consoles. Solving the latency issue for streaming high-performance applications like games has a lot of practical commercial applications as well.
I'm excited to see what Microsoft plans to bring to the table. Satya loosening Microsoft's purse strings and taking Xbox seriously might have some seriously scary (in a good way) results in the near future.
I'm excited to see what Microsoft plans to bring to the table. Satya loosening Microsoft's purse strings and taking Xbox seriously might have some seriously scary (in a good way) results in the near future.
Assuming low-range PCs can do this too, most home computers/laptops should be able to play the cloud games as well. Not only that, but the Xbox One and maybe even 360 would too. I can see them announcing at E3 2020 that all these next gen games are playable on the Xbox One via Cloud. If they're transitioning into a software/subscription focus company, they would want as many people having access to their service as possible. I can see them trying to bring it to the Switch as well.
I posed this question in another thread:
Since Scarlet Cloud is a streaming device, does that make every Xbox One capable of streaming Scarlet games? That would make their cloud service go from 0 subscribers to however many people own the console in a heartbeat.
Since Scarlet Cloud is a streaming device, does that make every Xbox One capable of streaming Scarlet games? That would make their cloud service go from 0 subscribers to however many people own the console in a heartbeat.
Not necessarily a unique piece of hardware, but it might need to be 'powerful enough' hardware. If the requirement is above a certain threshold I think it gives a stronger reason for them to release a device for it, beyond marketing.
That's just one technical scenario though. With some hybrids, you can have a system where the local machine doesn't take responsibility for working out the new state of the gameworld entirely, but just a smaller set of objects that the client has been told about. The rest of them are handled on the server and send position/physical-property updates to the client ala regular multiplayer. That's a trade of yet more bandwidth for reduced CPU requirements on the local side. That's a more complicated scheme, with less guarantee about always having 'good' data locally for your approximations - i.e. you also have to be careful 'important' objects aren't caught out with old data from the server when calculating an input response locally, or you might end up with spikes in 'bad' frame approximations. But they could be going down a path like that, which would open things up in terms of what classes of local device could be used with the service.
Streaming a movie and a game is an entirely different matter. You don't have to deal with lag in a movie or your connection remaining stable for 50 hours like you do with a game.
I do believe both the traditional console and the streaming unit will have a 5G chip in it.
Qualcomm just showed off their first mmWave antenna which would enable gigabit connections on mobile networks. The first devices with the new chip/antennas are expected in early 2019
https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/23/...nna-smartphones-qtm052-networking-speeds-size
