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Nesotenso

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,073
this shit is disappointing. It is depressing that since the election it seems the trolls and despicable people are winning.
 

AtmaPhoenix

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,001
The Internet
To everyone in this thread saying "Disney is catering to the alt-right", stop it. Whoever brought up these tweets is ultimately irrelevant to Disney. If you're a major media corporation like Disney, here are your two options:
1. Ignore or try to excuse the Tweets made by Gunn and do nothing
2. Acknowledge his Tweets as reprehensible and fire him.

Given the current climate in Hollywood with #MeToo and people like Kevin Spacey being outed as a pedophile, which of those options above do you think is going to cause a greater public outrage? It doesn't matter what the political views of the people who brought this up were, the outcome would still be the exact same.

To continue, I really dislike this idea that the political views of a person point out such things should have any impact on the gravity of the things being said. To push this notion further, if the women and men coming out about sexual abuse in Hollywood right now shared problematic right wing views, should their political views have any bearing on the severity of their statements? I would like to think not, so I would imagine that there exists somewhat of a grey area between pointing out Tweets made in poor-taste and calling out sexual misconduct when it comes to calling into question the accuser's world view.

With all that being said, I perfectly understand Disney's decision to remove Gunn. I personally didn't find any of his Tweets funny and to be honest they made me a little uncomfortable (which is a rare occurrence in and of itself) so I can definitely see why Disney would take such actions. And while Gunn has apologized for his statements and genuinely does seem to regret them, I feel like this entire situation could have been avoided had the Tweets been scrubbed years ago or not even made in the first place to be honest.

This entire thing was started by the same guy who trumped up the Pizzagate Conspiracy. Disney may not be catering to the alt-right, but this was 100% a concerted effort by the alt-right to use outrage culture to attack a person who they didn't like the politics of. And this has nothing to do with the #MeToo movement because James Gunn made jokes, he has not touched or harassed anyone as far as we know.
 

TDLink

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,411
Oh sure. It's just probably not what you'd want to say during a panel, and not the first thing you'd want to come to mind. It's much much more mild than Gunn's tweets, but that doesn't mean people wouldn't use it to tarnish Bautista's support, you know?

Sure, but I think if that's the best someone can dig up to try to "tarnish" the dude, he's pretty well off.
 

stump sock

Member
Oct 25, 2017
735
man regardless of whether you think the tweets are bad beyond redemption it's a little worrying how many of you are totally willing to throw in with some of the most prominent names in gg and pizzagate

if your bloodlust is that real maybe like go for a walk or something. get some perspective
 

Alethiometer

alt account
Banned
May 29, 2018
1,044
Sorry it took you until now to realize that gross pedo shit doesn't belong on social media. Im going to count this as a win if it finally made you realize that I guess? Amazing how something so simple needs to be drilled in to so many peoples heads.
I realized it long ago and don't use any social media.
 
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Chuck Noblet

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,090
Wow. How did this thread somehow get worse. Getting actual witch hunts now lmao.




I'd be interested to see what James does next. He was probably all in on mcu stuff for years to come. Maybe he'll go back to indies? You can't be fired from a movie if its self financed and you don't have any money *thinking emoji*
 

Speevy

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Oct 26, 2017
19,357
Well, we live in a world where anything you say on the internet can cost you your job. Even if you're well liked otherwise.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,948
I always miss out on the good shit

It wasn't that exciting. Just a couple of people, both sort of pathetic in their own ways, having an unnecessary back and forth.

On topic, I think Disney had a chance here to have the guy make a statement about how he's changed, yadda yadda, but they decided to cut their losses. For all we know, Disney knows something we don't and they just didn't want that scab picked. Or they just really didn't want to deal with it. Whatever.

I sort of figure they sign people like this up in the first place with some sort of clause that if their past becomes a problem they'll cast them off. I always figured that was the only way Roseanne made it back.
 

thediamondage

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Oct 25, 2017
11,282
I'd be interested to see what James does next. He was probably all in on mcu stuff for years to come. Maybe he'll go back to indies? You can't be fired from a movie if its self financed and you don't have any money *thinking emoji*

Once Disney buys Fox in like a week or two they will control 40% of the domestic box office. 40%. Compared to 10-15% back in 2000s decade. If you are essentially blacklisted from Disney in the movie and TV business, you are frozen out of a big chunk of possible work. Seems a bit crazy.

It'll also be interesting to see if Disney continues cleaning up house, there are a number of other high profile actors and directors who have tweeted a lot of questionable jokes and comments over 5, 10 years ago. Will internet trolls / detectives start gathering up piles of evidence and submit them to Disney? What will their criteria be for acceptable and not acceptable?

Directors and actors and producers, if they are smart, will immediately go out and completely scrub their social media this weekend and erase anything that anyone might find offensive. Probably be a good idea to be completely apolitical from this point forward as well, and just have a PR team handle all social media.

In fact a smart business would be creating a social media team that guarantees that everything posted under your name is clean and won't offend anyone, and they constantly scour the internet to make sure your name is untouched by any controversy. Charge high profile people a ton of money, but you could also offer your services to normal people and ensure they have a clean social media profile before job seeking, dating, etc.
 

Chrome

Member
Oct 25, 2017
378
In your sermon you missed the fact that Disney was petitioned over the tweets previously, and that Gunn hasn't assaulted anyone
Except I do acknowledge that there is an extreme difference between what Gunn has done and actual sexual misconduct. I actually highlight this by wondering if the ideology of the people bringing this up would be called into question of they accused someone of something far more heinous. And if the Tweets were called into question before, then they should have been deleted at that time, not now.
You're making cases against arguments that very few people, if any, are actually putting forward. No one is arguing that Gunn's political leanings should give him a pass. They're arguing years of contrition, previous acknowledgements, and demonstrated change should give him a pass.
I think you may have misread my post. I was talking about people bringing up the fact that the buzz for this whole fiasco is being generated by right-wingers and the fact their political views had zero affect on Disney's decision in the matter.
Disney may not be catering to the alt-right, but this was 100% a concerted effort by the alt-right to use outrage culture to attack a person who they didn't like the politics of.
Yeah I won't deny that. But given that, the alt-right is obviously to blame for getting Gunn fired, not Disney.
And this has nothing to do with the #MeToo movement because James Gunn made jokes, he has not touched or harassed anyone as far as we know.
I would say it's tangential given that while people are more likely to come out against sexual abuse, it also means otherwise innocuous situations like these are going to generate more negative buzz.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,948
Once Disney buys Fox in like a week or two they will control 40% of the domestic box office. 40%. Compared to 10-15% back in 2000s decade. If you are essentially blacklisted from Disney in the movie and TV business, you are frozen out of a big chunk of possible work. Seems a bit crazy.

It'll also be interesting to see if Disney continues cleaning up house, there are a number of other high profile actors and directors who have tweeted a lot of questionable jokes and comments over 5, 10 years ago. Will internet trolls / detectives start gathering up piles of evidence and submit them to Disney? What will their criteria be for acceptable and not acceptable?

Directors and actors and producers, if they are smart, will immediately go out and completely scrub their social media this weekend and erase anything that anyone might find offensive. Probably be a good idea to be completely apolitical from this point forward as well, and just have a PR team handle all social media. In fact a smart business would be creating a social media team that guarantees that everything posted under your name is clean and won't offend anyone, and they constantly scour the internet to make sure your name is untouched by any controversy.

It honestly surprises me that in this day and age so many people are still ignorant to this truth. Even posting anon has the potential to get you. Don't be stupid on the internet unless you're prepared to pay for it.
 
Apr 21, 2018
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In fact a smart business would be creating a social media team that guarantees that everything posted under your name is clean and won't offend anyone, and they constantly scour the internet to make sure your name is untouched by any controversy. Charge high profile people a ton of money, but you could also offer your services to normal people and ensure they have a clean social media profile before job seeking, dating, etc.

This is a good idea, and it probably exists in the realm of publicist's job, but twitter has kind of opened the door for these people to speak their blasphemy directly.
 

Chindogg

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,241
East Lansing, MI
Once Disney buys Fox in like a week or two they will control 40% of the domestic box office. 40%. Compared to 10-15% back in 2000s decade. If you are essentially blacklisted from Disney in the movie and TV business, you are frozen out of a big chunk of possible work. Seems a bit crazy.

It'll also be interesting to see if Disney continues cleaning up house, there are a number of other high profile actors and directors who have tweeted a lot of questionable jokes and comments over 5, 10 years ago. Will internet trolls / detectives start gathering up piles of evidence and submit them to Disney? What will their criteria be for acceptable and not acceptable?

Directors and actors and producers, if they are smart, will immediately go out and completely scrub their social media this weekend and erase anything that anyone might find offensive. Probably be a good idea to be completely apolitical from this point forward as well, and just have a PR team handle all social media.

In fact a smart business would be creating a social media team that guarantees that everything posted under your name is clean and won't offend anyone, and they constantly scour the internet to make sure your name is untouched by any controversy. Charge high profile people a ton of money, but you could also offer your services to normal people and ensure they have a clean social media profile before job seeking, dating, etc.

Disney still hires Johnny Depp on the regular so I doubt they'll be cleaning much house unless Depp starts raising a fuss on Twitter.
 
Oct 27, 2017
645
pedophilia as a joke has never been a thing really, why would anyone think it's funny? Like, who did you see around you that thinks that shit is funny? I would've fired him too, people who make those kind of jokes make me really suspicious. Dude could be an actual pedophile.
 

Thorn

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Oct 25, 2017
24,446
You can see burner twitter accounts going after Batista in his tweet with fake ass concern trolling.
 

Chuck Noblet

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Oct 27, 2017
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"Mr. Disney I don't feel so good."
 

Clix

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Some things are universal. Saying weird creepo things with children involved is generally off-limits to every human being on this planet. Now you can have a clever joke and still touch on the subject but you see absolutely none of that from those tweets. There isn't subjectivity in "I like when little boys touch me in my silly place". How in the flying fuck is that funny?

Of course it subjectivity. You cannot change that no matter how much you huff and puff. I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to go back to 1950's puratism just because you say it's not subjective, which is a damn scary thought you hear someone say this day and age.
 

Tfritz

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Oct 25, 2017
13,287
Of course it subjectivity. You cannot change that no matter how much you huff and puff. I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to go back to 1950's puratism just because you say it's not subjective, which is a damn scary thought you hear someone say this day and age.

Things that aren't scary: A dude making jokes about personally molesting children. Things that are scary: People saying those jokes are bad.