That would be a great thing to see. I hope they (Twitch) hold to it.
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mOE_TV: "I am going to stop using "f**got" because it might hurt my income" (UP1: 30d ban on Twitch)
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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That would be a great thing to see. I hope they (Twitch) hold to it.
When someone goes out of their way to say how you can't change them (re: a bad behavior), then a day or so later (briefly enough that there's no reason to assume personal growth took place) deliver a one-off apology, it sort of kills the sense that it's sincere. It's like watching a sociopath quickly swap between conflicting methods to try to get what they want in the same conversation.
That being said, I've seen worse apologies. I hope he's seeing this as a kick-off for personal growth in a way that'll help him empathize with a wider range of people.
That being said, I've seen worse apologies. I hope he's seeing this as a kick-off for personal growth in a way that'll help him empathize with a wider range of people.
It used to make me sick how much money athletes make for tossing or kicking a rubber ball around or hitting a piece of rubber with wooden sticks, but the amount of money these fuckin' weirdos make to sit at home and play video games (or do literally nothing) and not learn how to live in society is way worse.
Tons of Youtubers and streamers know how to live in society, jeez. You just hear stories about the shitheads.
People like this should get all of their streaming success taken away from them and when they wonder "why?", hopefully they'd take a serious look at themselves and learn how impossibly ignorant they are and make a serious change in their thought process. This kind of stuff is so aggravating and makes me sad that children probably watch and learn from someone so stupid.
People agreeing that the term was a synonym for "stupid" need to have a bit of a think. It wasn't, it was bigots saying homosexuality = bad/dumb and therefore using it as a pejorative. This has been attested from the 1920s. That then spiralled into particular popular usage. The semantics of the word didn't change after the 80s, it was always there. In the same way in the UK "gay" was a particularly salient term for "rubbish" amongst young people. The word does have other older uses e.g. a bundle of sticks but these have pretty much been superseded by the pejorative. Although in this country 'faggots' is still used for specific offal meals - something I was bit surprised to see the first time.
Considering how much money those organizations and other companies make off those athletes, I never understood why that was an issue for some people. Lebron makes what he makes because he's one of the best, fills seats, sells jerseys, sells sneakers and million more things that he gives back to communities.
As for let's players, I can't hate because they found a way to get paid to do what I wish I had more time to do. It'd be nice if some of them weren't terrible people, but a good amount aren't. They found an audience and get paid for what they're good at. Viewers give money and they keep people on a platform. Shrug.
Like...how hard would it have been to just do the thing he's talking about. If you're gonna stop saying a word just stop. Just dont say the word anymore.
Why do we need a parade of tweets and bullshit... just work on not being a garbage person.
Why do we need a parade of tweets and bullshit... just work on not being a garbage person.
I can name probably a handful of streamers/Youtube personalities that I've sworn off for their bigoted/scummy behavior, out of the hundreds or thousands of personalities out there. It's really shitty to dismiss two entire platforms with stand up men and women and LGBT personalities that are trying to push positive messages people enjoy because someone decided to use the same platform to spread hate.
Because the owners of those plattforms do nothing. 30 day ban, demonitize 2-3 videos on YouTube...
I said nothing about that. Streamers and Youtubers aren't by default racists or degenerate "weirdos"
30 day ban is pretty substantial though, Youtube has issues with LGBT content getting flagged but you should by no means stop supporting LGBT personalities.
That apology pretty much confirms that this is one of those people who think they aren't homophobic because they've decided they can't be.
Anybody who's defence is "I'm not really bad, it's just my actions" should basically be disregarded. If you lack the basic understanding that it's your actions that define you, and not some sort of nebulous "true self" inside you, then there's little reason to believe that you even understood what you did wrong.
That said apologies are worthless anyway. It's fairly clear the dude is only throwing this out in an attempt to save his reputation.
Anybody who's defence is "I'm not really bad, it's just my actions" should basically be disregarded. If you lack the basic understanding that it's your actions that define you, and not some sort of nebulous "true self" inside you, then there's little reason to believe that you even understood what you did wrong.
That said apologies are worthless anyway. It's fairly clear the dude is only throwing this out in an attempt to save his reputation.
That's the dumbest shit I've read in awhile. How absolutely brain dead do you have to be? This isn't even just a bigot showing his true colors. This is an idiot. Like, how have you not swallowed your own tongue when you try to form words level of idiot. At least he's too stupid to be subtle.
How is it that I and many many other made it through life without saying shit like this? I'm not sure "kids will be kids" is the right response.
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But did calling people faggots get you through a rough time and into Playstation EU
No, you grew up, cut your hair and stopped saying that shit because you knew it was wrong
That's the point, breh
The post sounds like they're trying to excuse his actions because a grown man (with a wife and daughter proudly displayed on his Twitter) just needs to grow up.
But he is wrong because this isn't a kid. It's a man in his 30s with a daughter.
It was common when I was in my teens for that word to be used as a slur for an idiot. Not gonna lie, I said it myself but that phased out quickly after a year or so.
I haven't heard the term since, until I started playing Halo 2 with voice comms... although nowadays I barely hear the word used at all.
I haven't heard the term since, until I started playing Halo 2 with voice comms... although nowadays I barely hear the word used at all.
Gimme a break. This isn't a 12 year old, this is a grown ass man
Listen, I'm sure most people said dumbass things in their teens and early 20s -- and as years go on, things become less okay in society as we become less ignorant and realize that words do impact people.
I'm sure there's some random forum post I made when I was 20 where I used the f-word or called someone a retard. And I'm sure I would see that now and feel absolutely embarrassed.
This isn't acceptable in 2018 when you're in your 30s. Hell, I'd argue that being in your early 20s and saying it is less acceptable now than it was 10 years ago because standards have thankfully changed.
This guy is 31 or 32. He is a grown man with a daughter who has watched the world around him change. And it didn't "slip out" either, he let us know in fine detail that he specifically thinks it is okay to use.
And now that he's losing money, the bullshit apology comes out. I might look at it differently if he said it once, he didn't have any sort of problematic history and immediately apologized. But that's not what happened here.
Dude is a jackass.
I'm sure there's some random forum post I made when I was 20 where I used the f-word or called someone a retard. And I'm sure I would see that now and feel absolutely embarrassed.
This isn't acceptable in 2018 when you're in your 30s. Hell, I'd argue that being in your early 20s and saying it is less acceptable now than it was 10 years ago because standards have thankfully changed.
This guy is 31 or 32. He is a grown man with a daughter who has watched the world around him change. And it didn't "slip out" either, he let us know in fine detail that he specifically thinks it is okay to use.
And now that he's losing money, the bullshit apology comes out. I might look at it differently if he said it once, he didn't have any sort of problematic history and immediately apologized. But that's not what happened here.
Dude is a jackass.
Glad to know that racist, homophobic and any kind of slurs that come from a place of ignorance and malice are fine when you're a kid.
I am in no way defending what the dude said by any means, but some people, even grown ass people, are still immature and need to grow up and I think that's what the poster was implying.
I will say that, no matter what age a person is, it's never too late to realize your attitude towards certain things is wrong and a bit of self reflection is in order. If this mOE guy takes anything from all of this, and realizes the wrong in the words he chose to use, then at least the world will be just a little better.
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You're never too old to make mistakes and it's never too late to learn from them.
Yeah no. Utterly ridiculous. I got called that all the time. Everyone did. It was everywhere all the time where I lived. Like every other word. I still managed to not be an asshole.
This is an adult. No adult has an excuse for this. It doesn't matter what rock you were raised under.
Yeah, while I get where people are coming from, this "it's alright when your a kid" thing bugs me.
Sure, judging someone by their actions as a kid is kinda pointless, but it wasn't fucking alright to be homophobic. It was terrible, and if you were you shouldn't just write it off with "meh, I was a kid". You were still contributing to some of the worst shit in society, and you need to take responsibility for that.
He's not calling him a kid. He's basically calling him a manchild who stubbornly refuses to grow up even when he knows what he's doing is wrong. He's not defending the guy.
Fuck this apologist shit. This isn't acceptable even for a kid, and he's a 30 year old man with kids of his own!
Even if that were true (and I literally can't imagine how it could have been worded any worse), perpetuating that open bigotry and homophobia is just "childish behaviour people grow out of" is extremely problematic and dangerous in itself.
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Good to see so many of era are against homophobic, racist comments. Now maybe we can get these comments off of era also? I mean I see them all the time on this forum and nothing is being done. Example https://www.resetera.com/posts/9939438/ someone comments "N*GGA" and nothing was done, why are such terms allowed on this forum?
So you believe growing up with friends, family, etc saying these types of words has no bearing on a person?
I'm not making any excuses for him. My post was in response to your comment about not being able to wrap your head around at the idea that some may have been influenced in one way or the other when they were younger.
If I were to assume, either they're black themselves or the mods assumed they are. If you think otherwise, there's a perfectly working report button next to the post that you can click, instead of derailing with whataboutisms and backseat moderation.
i pmed him about it and he clearly views it as "not fair" that that poster gets to make a "racist comment". What a guy
At some point you have to take control of your life choices and attitudes, and shake off any lingering shit from family and friends you might have picked up while growing up (unfortunately, I speak entirely from experience). 30 is way past that point.
As in, "why can he use it and I can't just because he's black and I'm white?"? I should be shocked, but I guess expecting someone whose only contribution is such a blatant whataboutism to have a genuinely well-meaning agenda would be highly naive.
Absolutely
And again, I'm not making any excuses for him. My comment wasn't even about him.
As for the maturity thing, I can see how a dude whose career is playing a game full of kids and interacting with a stream chat filled with even more kids could stunt someone's maturity.
We are a product of the environment we inhabit to a certain extent.
I stopped using "gay" and 'fa**ot" as synonyms for "bad" when I met openly gay people that called me out on that shit. Before then I never considered that there's venom that exists in certain words that you just cant extract no matter how hard you justify your use of them.
Not trying to defend this guy. He deserved the ban. He'll lose followers and subs over 30 days and that's good. I just think this is a problem in general on Twitch. A ton of streamers use shitty language and the one constant between them is the chat full of kids spouting slurs.
We are a product of the environment we inhabit to a certain extent.
I stopped using "gay" and 'fa**ot" as synonyms for "bad" when I met openly gay people that called me out on that shit. Before then I never considered that there's venom that exists in certain words that you just cant extract no matter how hard you justify your use of them.
Not trying to defend this guy. He deserved the ban. He'll lose followers and subs over 30 days and that's good. I just think this is a problem in general on Twitch. A ton of streamers use shitty language and the one constant between them is the chat full of kids spouting slurs.
Okay, my wording was wrong here - I was mocking his excuse that 'it was something we all said as kids', as in yeah, people do say dumb mean shit when they're too young to understand the ramifications. It's not an excuse for being a total shitbag when you're old enough to know better.
This was not in anyway a defense of this asshat. And he shouldn't be retiring shitty-ass behaviour like this just because he's worried about his bottom line. He should be doing it because it's the right damn thing to do.
My bad for the wording, apologies to anyone who thought I was caping for this prat.
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This is literally what confirmation bias is. You don't hear about them because people don't just write articles that say "decent YouTuber is a good guy".
Ah - I see, you're saying he should grow up.
I mean, even then, I think we should ask today's generation of kids better than using slurs as casual jokes with their friends, but truth be told, I have no ideas if the modern crop of youngsters handles this stuff. My generation certainly handled it extremely poorly.
Totally agreed. When and where I grew up a base level of general homophobia, racism and sexism was just the norm. If he grew up in a similar sort of situation I can understand, we don't choose where or when we're born.
But that's no excuse for a grown-ass man, who lives his life on the internet no less, to still be behaving that way decades later.
That's not to say it's okay to be that way as a kid and if I heard any young person speak that way, I'd call them out. It always shitty, but when you're a kid you can at least say you didn't know better. His fucking excuse is dumb.
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Bumping this because lost in all this is that esports people came to his actual defense
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/07/e...hobic-slur-sets-off-unexpectedly-long-debate/
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/07/e...hobic-slur-sets-off-unexpectedly-long-debate/
ah that cherished expression "OMG THAT GUY IS SUCH A BUNDLE OF STICKS!"