I'm really confused what you are trying to say here?
Are you saying PC backers are going to be envious of something on the Epic Store?
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Ys net has heard the concerns regarding Epic Games Store exclusivity for Shenmue III and will assess the situation [Read Staff Post Before Posting]
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I'm really confused what you are trying to say here?
Are you saying PC backers are going to be envious of something on the Epic Store?
So Epic forgot to put the asterisk by the thing. What a bunch of maroons. One more compounding factor on the pile of incompetence.
And the disclaimer is still vague and bad. What exactly is this "set?" Is it just the Peking Power Starter Pack, or all of the items mentioned in that sentence? And why can you only download it/them once?
Reading about this DLC Pass that comes with the Deluxe Edition makes me wonder if maybe Ys Net and friends will try to use that as a form of compensation for backers.
"We won't give you what we promised, but here, have this thing we were gonna make you pay extra for."
That's how that'd be received.
That plus providing Steam keys when exclusivity runs out is the most that I expect though.
And the disclaimer is still vague and bad. What exactly is this "set?" Is it just the Peking Power Starter Pack, or all of the items mentioned in that sentence? And why can you only download it/them once?
Reading about this DLC Pass that comes with the Deluxe Edition makes me wonder if maybe Ys Net and friends will try to use that as a form of compensation for backers.
"We won't give you what we promised, but here, have this thing we were gonna make you pay extra for."
That's how that'd be received.
That plus providing Steam keys when exclusivity runs out is the most that I expect though.
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I can't comment on EA as I haven't used it lately, but these days the Uplay launcher is probably the second best when it comes to features besides Steam. They've really improved their stuff a lot these last few years.
Lol yep it's dumb as fuck. It's literally only referring to the Peking Power Starter Pack because it's the only one with an asterisk next to it. It'll be a few items from the game to give you a head start when playing, like more cash, items you can sell, maybe something to level up once. It's been done in the past with other games and it's completely pointless. I'd rather just play the game without a head start. I've already seen people replying to tweets about the game asking why they can only download the game once. There's a lot of confusion and misinformation because Epic missed off a * on the page.
They announced in E3 a new Collectors Edition released by Limited Run Games.
Yes, I know that, I just didn't understand the wording and the "envy" part of the post!
I don't think anybody is remotely interested in a limited collectors edition with an Epic key inside, let alone "envious"!
I messed up again, you're totally right. It was someone else who said they'd boycott Unreal Engine games, not you. My apologies.
Regarding the UE library in general, there are still plenty of games using Unreal Engine 4. Recently, Japanese developers have begun to switch over to it as their own in-house engines are found wanting (or just to take advantage of industry knowledge and what is apparently really good Japanese documentation). Rocksteady is still a significant user. Respawn is building Jedi Fallen Order in it. Final Fantasy VII Remake is being built in it. You're right, though, in that it's easier to avoid in some ways than it was a few years back.
Regarding Shenmue III: I dunno, man. It seems like the core of this whole debacle is Deep Silver deciding to go EGS, and I don't see that being taken back anytime soon. I'm not sure how the Phoenix Point Steam keys worked though so maybe there is a solution. I'm not a boycotter of EGS or anything but I would prefer to see it available on Steam as well. I'm just not sure what options Ys Net have open to them at this point. Shitty situation in general.
Hence, backers will be the one being envious because the deal gets worse.
Is there anyone here still believe Epic will release the members they bought from Ys Net?
Thanks for the explanation. Forgive me, it's late where I am : /
I wonder if Ys Net have any say in the matter at all, or if it is all controlled by Deep Silver and Epic now?
Surely someone has to speak out soon?
Bob Ross' post on the Kickstarter page of Shenmue III lists some very valid concerns ( https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/posts/2536393 ):
Bob Ross
about 8 hours ago
Such an embarrassing situation
Bob Ross
about 8 hours ago
Such an embarrassing situation
so uh does ys net and yu suzuki also not understand kickstarter like they don't understand the epic games store? or is all of this also someone else's fault and they have little to no blame here since they've been working hard on shenmue 3 for the last four years?
They hired people to run the Kickstarter for them so these issues are probably due to a lack of understanding on their part. I think they've just been completely focused on the dev side and have left everything else to third parties.
I've also never been clear on Shibuya Productions role in all this, maybe they are the ones in charge of all the actual business decisions while Ys handles dev? Ultimately they chose their business partners so responsibility falls to them in the end regardless.
Obviously YsNet is partially to blame as they hired the terrible "Awesome Japan" company to run the Kickstarter, but they certainly had no idea just how terrible they were. They've been absolutely terrible at communicating clearly and timely throughout the whole campaign, which is why we were all thrilled that Fangamer would be handling the distribution of rewards when the time came.
Yeah, I would not be surprised to see them shut down after this. I never want to see a business fail/people lose their jobs (well, for the most part), but they have been truly incompetent throughout the entire campaign. They have no genuine clue as to how to message anything.
How much time until they release a statement? Monday passed, you would think Deep Silver, Ys Net etc. already talked about this during E3 since the whole thing was much more relevant and discussed than the trailers they released, of course they are aware of the situation and it feels like every day passing without clear answers is going to make the whole situation worse and worse.
We don't know Shibuya Productions involvement in this either (were all parties privy to this deal?) and where does this leave Fangamer, are they distributing for the Kickstarter or would it be Deep Silver/Epic?
Good luck lol. If they don't give me a satisfying solution I'm issuing a chargeback
Each day this idiot reminds me of the orange buffoon.
Words fail me!
A whole work day went by and nothing. If not for my low opinion of those people i would be surprised.
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
The longer they leave this the worse it is.
The "funny" thing is, back then, i was deciding between backing this or bloodstained.
fuck me....
fuck me....
It was Shibuya I was trying to think of as well, I knew there was another party who were working with YsNet but couldn't think of who it was exactly. From memory, they were kind of the medium between Ys and I guess Sony and putting the KS out etc?
That was put a lot more succinctly and politely than anything I could have imagined. Of course none of those questions will be answered (directly).
Also, given Awesome Japan's past failings, I'm inclined to put at least some of the weight on them too, although I doubt the decision to go EGS in the first place (which had the flow-on affect of the "physical copies") was solely on them.
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AFAIK Shibuya were the first group to finance/produce the game and are still involved in the production. People keep forgetting that Neilo are co-developing the game along with YsNet (another group of former SEGA devs).
Literally the first time I've heard of Neilo!
But yeah, I can't help but think this is the result of people just wanting to make games, and the people facilitating that (such as publishers, negotiators, accountants etc.) have seriously dropped the fucking ball. If Yu Suzuki is to blame for anything, it's being too naive/trusting that things would go as smoothly as they would have if he were still with Sega.
At this point, if we don't hear back I guess I will switch to PS4 versions, and sell both the physical and digital copies. This is pathetic and completely soured me on the series.
I don't, really. I think the only thing the outrage may have accomplished is that we'll get Steam keys a year after launch.
I'm expecting nothing more from them and I'm still incredibly disappointed.
I think in order of least likely to most likely end scenarios, it goes:
Steam keys given to backers and/or refunds
Steam keys given to backers, no refunds
Refunds given to backers, no Steam keys
No refunds and no Steam keys
Steam keys given to backers and/or refunds
Steam keys given to backers, no refunds
Refunds given to backers, no Steam keys
No refunds and no Steam keys
Just saving this to remind myself that people who don't care, and admitting they don't care, sure do get hostile when they are confronted with facts!
VPN or whatever, you need to read the threadmarks!
And the thread is ALL ABOUT airing out frustrations, it lends itself to 'crappy energy'
I think I may have found a common denominator:
Shibuya Productions partners with DONTNOD and now their new game is an EGS exclusive for 12 months.
Shibuya Productions partners with DONTNOD and now their new game is an EGS exclusive for 12 months.
So much time to decide, because obviously they know what is the right thing to do but they don't want to do it. This whole situation is disgusting...I wouldn't be so pissed if this wasn't a Kickstarter game Suzuki couldn't produce for 15 years. But as soon as users funded the project, publishers went on board to fuck everything possible.
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In the inbox or not at all sir, teach me threadmarks or acknowledge this is not a meaningful conversation for either of us
Yeah i just saw that myself. Its pretty clear Shibuya Productions are in bed with EGS too.
Great post. Sadly I have little hope they'll respond.
Apparently they are indeed deleting comments on their kickstarter.
People have been commenting about that for the last few hours.
Can´t verify that, wouldn´t surprise me though, with how garbage the people involved are.
People have been commenting about that for the last few hours.
Can´t verify that, wouldn´t surprise me though, with how garbage the people involved are.
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