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Would you say that Warcraft III: Reforged is the most anti-consumer act ever committed by a large game publisher?
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100% this. If anything we aren't being hard enough on blizzard. They don't get any points for doing the bare minimum of updated character models when literally everything else is shit.
I don't know if it's the worst but it is up there for the fact that Reforged completely ruins the original warcraft 3 classic client. Which means even if you don't own reforged you are affected. Basically no one asked for this shit type of a deal where a 17 year old game gets downgraded for the worse.
Considering the legacy of the original game probably. This sold on nostalgia and they knew that so they went cheap on it. They sold a bill of goods with a megaphone and whispered the cancelling of those goods. Then they still advertise fake shit on the launcher the day of release, they obfuscate the refund process and then in the coup de grace, they ruin the original game too! This is one for books.
Lmao
"wow cry much. They released a game you didn't like big deal"
"..oh it affects you even if you didn't buy the game? Well this other game I don't like is still worse even though you could just not buy it"
What blizzard did with Warcraft 3 is one of the most sickening things I've ever witness in all my years in gaming. The fact that the old client also got ruined makes me sick to my stomach.
There's no need to sue them. Just don't buy their games and punish them in the only place they care about - their pocket. Saying that, I'll probably still pre-order Diablo 4 once the hype hits. Yes I'm an idiot.
It's bad, but it's not Fallout 76 or putting a rootkit in the PC version of Street Fighter V bad.
They released this way too early. A very not-Blizzard thing to do, for sure. If I were them I'd offer the legacy version to download as a separate client. That would smooth over a lot of the anger right now.
They'll fix it, of course. Whatever Blizzard's other faults, they do patch their games a lot, and for years. No chance they just leave WC3R like this. (Just hope they fix it soon, and not "Blizzard-soon".)
That said: we should be angry at how Blizzard now owns the rights to the stuff you make in custom maps, cause that actually is some legit bullshit, and has been since they pulled the same thing with SC2, effectively stunting the growth of that game's mapping community. If we're gonna pull the anti-consumer card, let's pull it here, cause that's long past due.
They'll fix it, of course. Whatever Blizzard's other faults, they do patch their games a lot, and for years. No chance they just leave WC3R like this. (Just hope they fix it soon, and not "Blizzard-soon".)
That said: we should be angry at how Blizzard now owns the rights to the stuff you make in custom maps, cause that actually is some legit bullshit, and has been since they pulled the same thing with SC2, effectively stunting the growth of that game's mapping community. If we're gonna pull the anti-consumer card, let's pull it here, cause that's long past due.
i mean it's bad, but the most anti-consumer act ever? ever? standard loot box practices are more anti-consumer than this
I'm not willing to call it the worst considering some of the absolutely grotesque alternatives out there, from horrifically abusive MTX schemes to games rendered unplayable via discontinued DRM to the 360 RROD debacle.
But it certainly is impressively ill-conceived and is yet another giant leap towards Blizzard's apparent goal of alienating people and destroying their reputation.
But it certainly is impressively ill-conceived and is yet another giant leap towards Blizzard's apparent goal of alienating people and destroying their reputation.
Various copy protection software schemes like Denuvo are quite anti-consumer long term. Anything that makes your single player game not work after a certain time period due to needing to check online servers as well.
We should have just stayed with installing off CD-ROMS at this point. :P
We should have just stayed with installing off CD-ROMS at this point. :P
This is a possibility, but there is only so much some old fans can take. As far as I'm concerned, between Diablo 3's auction house (greedy), Diablo Immortal (embarassing, but nothing criminal), Blitzchung (despicable) and this, I'm pretty confident in saying I have no interest whatsoever in what this company can deliver for the time being. Heck, even Starcraft 2 being divided into 3 games was kind of a warning, a sign of things to come.
Frankly, all of what happened is no coincidence. It is a pattern, and I want nothing to do with what Blizzard has become.
It hurts a bit, as a Warcraft fan the days are dark. I pray for some light at the end of the tunnel of 2020 but I don't think we are gonna get it. The best we can get is Shadowlands before year end and hopefully an acknowledgment of what's happening here with WC3 Reeforged and a promise to amend it.
Nah, not the worst, Dark Souls 2 & Silent Hill HD are up there with Reforged. It's just Blizzard isn't an indie dev like they pretend to be, they have made around 10 billion dollars from WoW alone, they could have put more budget into Reforged when it's a $30 title.
No, this is not the worst thing EVER by a large publisher. Not even close.
Lets be real. In a world were we have had publishers these past gens push online passes, map packs, microtransactions, dlc that affects or breaks games, people losing content, timed exclusives, and even corrupted saves, no, this is just a very bad remaster, with poor communication, and that ultimately hurts their most loyal fans by even affecting the original release. But lets not go all "worse thing even made.". We have direct gambling in sports games for sakes. Heck, what happened with No Mans Sky was way worse than this IMO. Just don't buy it, and tell others not to until Blizzard addresses some of the issues, if ever.
Lets be real. In a world were we have had publishers these past gens push online passes, map packs, microtransactions, dlc that affects or breaks games, people losing content, timed exclusives, and even corrupted saves, no, this is just a very bad remaster, with poor communication, and that ultimately hurts their most loyal fans by even affecting the original release. But lets not go all "worse thing even made.". We have direct gambling in sports games for sakes. Heck, what happened with No Mans Sky was way worse than this IMO. Just don't buy it, and tell others not to until Blizzard addresses some of the issues, if ever.
What?
How is Dark Souls 2 on similar lines as the shitshow W3:Reforged.
I don't think that anything about the remaster is really anti-consumer in the same way that clearly predatory and exploitative monetary schemes are.
Master Chief Collection is the closest comparison I can think of, and a lot of people would probably say that MCC was worse.
Master Chief Collection is the closest comparison I can think of, and a lot of people would probably say that MCC was worse.
Downgrade wise. Both advertised far better visuals vs what we actually got.
Visual downgrade is just one point.
But DS2 isn't a remastered or remake of an older game nor does it have the variety of issues W3:Reforged has when in comparison of the original W3:TFT.
The relation is hardly the same.
Yeah, I mean, this is not even close to the worst. Not even in the same area. Things can be bad without being this wild extreme guys, cmon. Nuance.
A lot of older battle.net functionality was killed off and if you want to have a "vanilla" WC3 you have you keep a CD installation as far away from b.net as possible. Also there's a new agreement that if it had existed in 2000 would have made DOTA a blizzard owned IP.
The downgrade is the big issue, no one uses features like clans anymore, not that Blizzard should have removed them.
You cannot play single player custom maps anymore, noone play those anymore too?
Visual downgrade isn't the only issue with W3:Reforged, you might want to check the the long list of issues the new client has and the changes to EULA regarding custom maps.
The singular visual downgrade issue in DS2 is nothing when compared to W3:Reforged.
That's pretty lame they removed that & i expect at least that will be patched back in, Rise of the Blood Elves is so good it should have been made official.
The TOS changes so Blizzard owns custom games has been a thing since 2010 with SC2, it's shit adding it to WC3 but that custom games scene was replaced by DOTA2 years ago, no one is making Auto Chess in WC3.
This always happens one way or another when a company gets too big and they hold all the cards.
If you hate these practices then I hasten to add that you're mad at capitalism, not specifically Blizzard
If you hate these practices then I hasten to add that you're mad at capitalism, not specifically Blizzard
Thanks, sounds like this actually does legitimately go well beyond a bad port. I end up still thinking the OP is hyperbole in that a lot of the gambling mechanics out there are essentially meant to prey on people with addictive personalities, whereas this sounds like part of the reason it's so bad is that it's terrible in a way that's tailor made for its community.
I don't think MCC's release crippled any functionality in the original Halo games though.
Neutering the original game is indeed pretty shitty, but that game is fucking ancient man. They could have also simply pulled the plug on the online capabilities as many other game companies have, meaning you wouldn't be able to play the game in the first place. I get people are upset, but it doesn't register on a long list of vile predatory behavior by game publishers.
This definitely, the fact that you have to pay for character services drives me mad (in FFXIV too, it feels like a Xbox Live => PS plus situation)
Probably. Battlefront 2 isn't even close. That's a bad game with bad mtx but at least you could ignore that game and still play the original. If you own the original WC3 you got screwed. This remaster has negative value for a lot of people who didn't even buy the game.
It really ain't that hard to look up a definition of the term "anti-consumer." It does not mean "I am a consumer and this product insults me, therefore it is anti-consumer."
Incidentally, the Hong Kong debacle was anti-consumer.
Incidentally, the Hong Kong debacle was anti-consumer.
So its official now, Blizzard is currently probably worse than Bethesda's Fallout 76 and EA's Battlefont II launches?
Unless I'm mistaken, multiplayer servers for the various Halo games were taken down over the years anyway. The multiplayer for games like Halo 2 was dead until MCC came along.
The difference in this case is just that Blizzard was still supporting the original WC3 multiplayer features almost 20 years after the game's launch, and it's finally getting deactivated at the same time that the new service is being launched.
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Killing older games happens all the time. Servers getting taken down and new patches makes the old game disappear. It sucks but that's just the way it is. Blizzard already kept Warcraft 3 alive for a long time. But yeah the remaster isn't very good though.
Look at the other thread about Sony shutting down the Driveclub servers. That's a game from this gen. That's worse than Warcraft 3 reforged.
Look at the other thread about Sony shutting down the Driveclub servers. That's a game from this gen. That's worse than Warcraft 3 reforged.
