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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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COD is US military propaganda, always expect the worst when it comes to other nationalities and how they are potrayed.
Yeah, agreed on all accounts. And thank you again for your perspective, it's got me to think about it in ways I probably could't have come across on my own.
So CDPR CEO had an interview posted on their website (translated to English by them) which PC Gamer picked up and...
www.pcgamer.com
...uh...what? Yeah sexism absolutely isn't a problem with the gaming scene. Nope no siree! Absolutely ZERO evidence of sexism in the gaming scene! /s
Diversity must not lead to conflict, according to CD Projekt Red studio head (updated)
How very punk of them.
...uh...what? Yeah sexism absolutely isn't a problem with the gaming scene. Nope no siree! Absolutely ZERO evidence of sexism in the gaming scene! /s
So CDPR CEO had an interview posted on their website (translated to English by them) which PC Gamer picked up and...
Diversity must not lead to conflict, according to CD Projekt Red studio head (updated)
How very punk of them.
...uh...what? Yeah sexism absolutely isn't a problem with the gaming scene. Nope no siree! Absolutely ZERO evidence of sexism in the gaming scene! /s
no problems here!
Developers are always trying to have their cake and eat it to. They often want be viewed as a mature medium to explore social and political issues but they also want everyone to just have fun and not think about these type of things. If you want to make a game set in the future as an excuse to fight mustache twirling bad dudes with sci-fi weapons, I'm actually ok with that. I would probably really enjoy it. But when the name of your game is called Cyberpunk, there are expectations that come with that. Cyberpunk as a genre has always been about conflict, about facing social issues, or asking philosophical questions. Conflict is essential to the genre. If you're gonna talk about diversity, something that is inherently political today, then there's going to be conflict. It's now a matter of which side of the issue you are on.
I get the feeling their saying that just to avoid any outrage from certain fans but it kinda weird given that they already push people off with allowing a greater number of character customization without labeling any gender to it. Still this is bad way to respond to the current situation.So CDPR CEO had an interview posted on their website (translated to English by them) which PC Gamer picked up and...
Diversity must not lead to conflict, according to CD Projekt Red studio head (updated)
How very punk of them.
...uh...what? Yeah sexism absolutely isn't a problem with the gaming scene. Nope no siree! Absolutely ZERO evidence of sexism in the gaming scene! /s
Speaking of conflict (or more accurately conflicting) The Last Night, a cyberpunk game where feminism won, people get universal income, and somehow that makes your male character a second class citizen?
Boy re-reading the interview with the dev is just a lot.
GamerGate, Feminism, Cyberpunk: An Interview With 'The Last Night' Designer
At E3, Tim Soret wanted to set the record straight about equality, labor, and the future.
www.vice.com
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Jeez. That interview is the most waffle-y bullshit I've ever seen, all because his real goal is simply to try and not be "pinned down". But not wanting to be pinned down is a belief in and of itself, for some reason Soret just doesn't seem to realize that. Everything is a politic of sorts, to say you want to "avoid politics" is to be disingenuous in the extreme. If you are putting a creative work out there, especially in a very public way, that in itself is a political statement. The creation, the promotion, the product itself... all part of the politic of our current culture.Speaking of conflict (or more accurately conflicting) The Last Night, a cyberpunk game where feminism won, people get universal income, and somehow that makes your male character a second class citizen?
Boy re-reading the interview with the dev is just a lot.
GamerGate, Feminism, Cyberpunk: An Interview With 'The Last Night' Designer
At E3, Tim Soret wanted to set the record straight about equality, labor, and the future.
I hate it when people do this sort of stuff, where they simply aren't willing to say what they think, probably because they know it's toxic and instead want to wrap a context around it that, in their mind, somehow makes whatever bullshit they're spilling okay. You can make a game that explores the flaws of something like UBI or the shortcomings of power struggles, but be honest about it. Perhaps the greatest irony is that, in his attempts to escape dogma, he has created a dogma which he is completely unaware he's following, even to his detriment.
The nature of creative work is political. It cannot exist apolitically.
(I do know however that most anyone who says "keep politics out of games" is either a disingenuous fuckbag or monumentally incompetent - either of which is dangerous, for different reasons)
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On one hand you have one of the few (only?) lesbian characters in a AAA game. Whose portrayal is wholly positive with the only misstep (to me) being that idiotic bigot sandwich scene. On the other hand you have one of the very few straight women who actually fuck in a AAA game. And to top it off, she has a non-standard body type for women. It's definitely a conflicting feeling
So CDPR CEO had an interview posted on their website (translated to English by them) which PC Gamer picked up and...
Diversity must not lead to conflict, according to CD Projekt Red studio head (updated)
How very punk of them.
...uh...what? Yeah sexism absolutely isn't a problem with the gaming scene. Nope no siree! Absolutely ZERO evidence of sexism in the gaming scene! /s
"A female writer chose to publish under a male pseudonym during the 1930s. Female game developers don't do that in 2020! This is clearly because videogames are less sexist than literature, right? I mean, I see absolutely no other difference in the context around these two examples."
Jesus, every time they open their fucking mouth, the sheer magnitude of their disingenuity becomes even more apparent if possible.
Both of those things are great for representation of women IMO. Though I understand those who are LGBT who wanted a dedicated gay protagonist, of course. But a non-standard straight woman who gets to have a male love interest and have sex with him is basically unheard of in AAA gaming too, so I appreciated it quite a bit.
You'd think people with the amount of money, power, and access to knowledge that they have they would spend at least some time bettering themselves. But the reality seems to be that they just spend their time antagonizing everybody else. It's somewhat easy to understand why depression and suicide are so prevalent among the one-percenters. They don't know how to live with the intention of making things better, only how to insulate. I'd feel sorry for them, but for the fact that they actively make everyone else's lives worse.
The sad reality of our world is that it's far easier to get ahead when you're a sociopath willing to trample over others to get what you want.
Today I was talking with a couple people about cancelled games, and one of them mentioned a Jack the Ripper game where Jack would be the good guy hunting vampire prostitutes. Thinking no fucking way, that's too tasteless to be true.
And yet:
www.polygon.com
Foolish to doubt the game industry, I know.
And yet:
The Ripper: The disturbing Visceral Games project that never was
About 10 years ago, Electronic Arts developed and then canceled a game about Jack the Ripper. This is its story.
www.polygon.com
Foolish to doubt the game industry, I know.
Unfortunately, it's not just the game industry making men who do horrible crimes to women the "anti hero" or "misunderstood". The Joker came out last year - also a project that suggests mental illness is tied with violence, a false and very damaging narrative. I hate these kind of projects, at least that one never came out but it's baffling it got that far.Today I was talking with a couple people about cancelled games, and one of them mentioned a Jack the Ripper game where Jack would be the good guy hunting vampire prostitutes. Thinking no fucking way, that's too tasteless to be true.
And yet:
The Ripper: The disturbing Visceral Games project that never was
About 10 years ago, Electronic Arts developed and then canceled a game about Jack the Ripper. This is its story.
Foolish to doubt the game industry, I know.
I shouldn't be surprised yet here I am. Holy fuck. They must have axed this only because Dante's Inferno was a flop.Today I was talking with a couple people about cancelled games, and one of them mentioned a Jack the Ripper game where Jack would be the good guy hunting vampire prostitutes. Thinking no fucking way, that's too tasteless to be true.
And yet:
The Ripper: The disturbing Visceral Games project that never was
About 10 years ago, Electronic Arts developed and then canceled a game about Jack the Ripper. This is its story.
Foolish to doubt the game industry, I know.
YiiIIIiiikesToday I was talking with a couple people about cancelled games, and one of them mentioned a Jack the Ripper game where Jack would be the good guy hunting vampire prostitutes. Thinking no fucking way, that's too tasteless to be true.
And yet:
The Ripper: The disturbing Visceral Games project that never was
About 10 years ago, Electronic Arts developed and then canceled a game about Jack the Ripper. This is its story.
Foolish to doubt the game industry, I know.
Everything else aside - the twist isn't even that outstanding, I'd say. The hero being seen as a villain by others, cause they can't see / don't know what he does, is not that rare.
I personally like the idea very much. The premise alone is just "cool" as something like "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Killer". An absolute trashy premise but it has something to it.
I would just change a few bits here and there:
1. You can keep Jack the Ripper as being the secret hero.
2. Jack the Ripper is a woman and not a murderer.
3. She hunts vampires that prey on prostitutes (not just women) and others with a low social standing. Because of the time period the papers are only talking about the women though.
4. Don't use the real names and likenesses of the victims.
5. Hire poeple smart enough to not make it "sexy" to sell a few more units.
But i don't think EA would've been able to do that.
The recreation of the real murder scenes was the most fucked detail, considering how increasingly brutalized the poor women were.
Mary Kelly's in particular being the most horrific.
Mary Kelly's in particular being the most horrific.
Remember when they sort of tried to trick people into reading the actual Divine Comedy by reprinting it and selling it as a novelization of the game?
Like, the cover was the game cover, but the book inside was the actual 14th century epic.
I was thinking something more like, the Ripper is still the villain, but the reason he disappeared is because some other prostitutes (the heroes in this case) actually secretly took him out and covered it up. I think at least one comic artist has tried to run with that idea.
I don't have time to read that full article right now but I just want to add my voice to the notion of: Holy fuck why would you make a game about "murdering prostitutes but what if you were secretly the good guy for doing so." That is such an astoundingly bad idea.
Wait... I thought I recognized that name from watchdogs 3, did ubisoft really name their human trafficking and organ selling villain after a serial killer victim?
I really hope that's just a coincidence but given that the setting of that game is London, what's the likelihood?
To go along with the "Jack as a woman" part, she might be wearing clothing that conceals her identity (AKA some cool assassin's creed ninja outfit thing) and the sexist Londoners just assume it has to be a man.
It's cool though since they were literal evil whores of Satan all along, you see /s
You just need to play their games to understand where they stand. The Witcher series (1 to 3) is the epitome of this toxic bigotry and this stuff is legit one of the main reasons I won't play Cyberpunk 2077.So CDPR CEO had an interview posted on their website (translated to English by them) which PC Gamer picked up and...
Diversity must not lead to conflict, according to CD Projekt Red studio head (updated)
How very punk of them.
...uh...what? Yeah sexism absolutely isn't a problem with the gaming scene. Nope no siree! Absolutely ZERO evidence of sexism in the gaming scene! /s
They do put some effort into their writing but hell if being a woman is tough in their games (and don't get me started about PoCs).
I guess Mary Kelly is a generic enough name, but if that villain's quest takes place in whitechapel then that's super suspect.
Right?
You could even habe a moment were someone, ideally a woman eye witness, is adamant that she saw a woman. " I know what i saw!" as the Police is laughing her out of the room.
Because it couldn't be a woman...
I feel like posting pop up ads are cheating for this thread lol
Kinda but this thread would appreciate the sheer badness of it the most.
I have seen old flash browser games that looked better than this.
Shitty F2P mobile games are the lowest hanging fruit out there. I mean, just a game like Raid Shadow legends is a gold mine.
She's definitely been brought up many times already in these threads. But I feel like I need to give a shoutout to Amicia in Plague Tale, as I recently started to play the game. I really love her design, truly excellent. One of my all time favorites probably.
Edit: Picture for those who might not be familiar
Edit: Picture for those who might not be familiar
Absolutely love Amicia's design.She's definitely been brought up many times already in these threads. But I feel like I need to give a shoutout to Amicia in Plague Tale, as I recently started to play the game. I really love her design, truly excellent. One of my all time favorites probably.
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While my feelings on the game are a bit mixed, Amicia's design is incredible. One of my favorites this generation.
I really love her outfit.She's definitely been brought up many times already in these threads. But I feel like I need to give a shoutout to Amicia in Plague Tale, as I recently started to play the game. I really love her design, truly excellent. One of my all time favorites probably.
Edit: Picture for those who might not be familiar
This just goes to show how ingrained edgy humor and a lack of desire for good representation is in these companies' workflow. They frame it as wanting to create more conversation but it is almost always from the "let's rustle some sjw feathers" side of things. Tweets like CDPR's most recent controversy are just one of many many examples of this
I'd like to ask them exactly what conversation they felt needed to be had with that.
Just started Ghost of Tsushima.
Yuna is the first lady you meet and one that gives Jin a heads up on his samurai ways isn't working with fighting the Mongols.
Yuna is the first lady you meet and one that gives Jin a heads up on his samurai ways isn't working with fighting the Mongols.
I really wish "waifu" culture just not a thing in gaming and in media, it's so creepy and demeaning of women and it's sad that so many in ERA endorse it and defend it. It feels like justified sexism and objectification and lot of the time and used to undermine powerful or used to try to push out women for being "waifu bait", aka, any women who has any importance from what I've seen.
Edit: Honestly, the more I read of that creepy "I have to ask: why is Nintendo allowing games like Waifu Uncovered on the Switch eShop? " The more I feel I should just stop going to ResetEra or take a very long break, I've seen regular doing it before but seeing so many regular era members normalising and defending sexism and indulging in "Waifu" culture just makes me feel that so many people on ERA are fake when they say they care about sexism and mistreatment of women in the game industry and in the games themselves (present commenters of this thread and many others who have done great work not being included of course), that they will turn against us the moment we call something they like out.
Plus, everything I've been reading lately about Ubisoft and the fighting game scene, it just feels sometimes that gaming just wants us gone, we're not want and only tolerated for profit.
Edit: Honestly, the more I read of that creepy "I have to ask: why is Nintendo allowing games like Waifu Uncovered on the Switch eShop? " The more I feel I should just stop going to ResetEra or take a very long break, I've seen regular doing it before but seeing so many regular era members normalising and defending sexism and indulging in "Waifu" culture just makes me feel that so many people on ERA are fake when they say they care about sexism and mistreatment of women in the game industry and in the games themselves (present commenters of this thread and many others who have done great work not being included of course), that they will turn against us the moment we call something they like out.
Plus, everything I've been reading lately about Ubisoft and the fighting game scene, it just feels sometimes that gaming just wants us gone, we're not want and only tolerated for profit.
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It's really, really tiring.
Same with the "Violence is okay but sex is not?" drek that shows up every single time.
EDIT: But this is also the same website that bandies about ND's crunch at every waking moment but were crickets about mass sexual assault (they are both bad don't get me wrong).
Yeah I feel the same, the only reason that I think this forum is better for minorities than the other games forums is because the mods try to push down the sexism, racism, homophobia and transphobia that occurs, not because the majority of the posters care. The only thing that still keeps me playing games is that I do see more visible women and other minorities (they were always there just pushed out) then there used to be and I hope that continues as realistically it's the only way we will see change.
Yeah. We can all agree that Resetera is FAR from the bastion of progressiveness that a lot of members like to pretend it is. That moderation tries to stomp down on it at all is the only thing we have going for us here, and even that only goes so far.
Resetera's slogan could be something to the effect of "at least its not gamefaqs". The biggest thing ERA honestly has going for it is just that threads like this one can at least exist, since mods will stop people who come in and troll the shit out of it.
Resetera's slogan could be something to the effect of "at least its not gamefaqs". The biggest thing ERA honestly has going for it is just that threads like this one can at least exist, since mods will stop people who come in and troll the shit out of it.
I mean when you look at something like xenoblade 2 being a major switch game, it kind of opens the door and is telling anyone that creepy waifu designs like that are fine I guess.
I feel a little sad when folks that throw in the phrase "well the sexualization never bothered me" as if it isn't there at all (or it's just implicit that games have this shit. i dunno).
There's barely a cutscene in that game that doesn't have a girl with a suction-cup-titty outfit and short-shorts while, literally, every male blade is dressed up normally.
Heaven's Vault doesn't take place on Earth, and Aliya isn't Muslim. (Earth religions aren't in the game.) Although the game is amazing and the cast is very much not white.
Now I want to play it again.
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