You got my hopes up there for a second and quickly dashed. Bravo.
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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You got my hopes up there for a second and quickly dashed. Bravo.
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i think the explanation was that she was an actor and was mostly just pretending most of the time in the games. up until she disgues herself again and it sort of falls apart.
Hrm... kinda hand wave-y. I know Fem Byleth wasn't a thing at the time of WKC but it gives off that vibe way too strongly.
"Too masculine" aka "too much like a human being."
Because pop culture osmosis is often imperfect and focuses on aspects that seem to completely miss the point. In this case, the name of the fashion seems to come from the 1962 movie adaptation by Kubrick, which according to Wikipedia jettisoned most of the objectionable content from the novel due to censorship: Lolita is aged up to teen years, the relationship is consensual, Lolita is depicted as sexually aggressive rather than miserable, the sex is mostly omitted and at most alluded to, and Lolita leaves him at the end instead of being abducted and pretty much enslaved. One has to wonder what the fuck is even the point of making an adaptation like that, a concern that Kubrick seemed to share, but then again The Shining has little to do with the book and jettisons most of its themes too, so it doesn't seem like "faithful adaptations" were ever high on Kubrick's priorities list.
It's not hard to pressume that back during the 70s, when the style was born, Kubrick's was by far the most widespread version of the story in the Japanese public's mind, if not straight up the only one at all (the novel would probably not have been translated and released there, for obvious reasons). According to Wikipedia, women adhering to lolita fashion are often grossed out of their minds when they learn the origin of the name. It's incredibly unfortunate, as the movement itself seems to have been pretty empowering for women, especially during Japan's probably very repressive 1970s. :/
I think the other issue is that its going for traditional sentai tropes and she being your traditional green ranger type character. So I think its at fault of the genre too. This is the same genre with waifu rangers.
..........Slightly off topic but, at some point, this bizarre casual sense of dominion a lot of men seem to feel regarding women and their bodies and their health business needs to really be surgically dissected and dealt with.
Not just the obvious stuff. I've seen less blatant examples of it in various discussions from seemingly more progressive minded guys.
It's disconcerting.
Nothing says "dressing to withstand the desert heat" like wearing three layers of dark, thick clothes and a corset. I very much doubt that's the reason she's baring her bellybutton.
sex appeal aka (keep playing the video game). As much as I love this game it does have alot of flaws and the woman are hmm.
like Yulie
at least she got a knight... oh...
That entire GameFAQs post is just some of the creepiest stuff I've ever read. It's only made worse by the fact that it's just WAY too clear he's not criticizing the art nearly so much as saying, "this isn't my fetish, I want it to be my fetish." No presumption. Just creep.
Fertile skin glow is some off the wall shit. I can also see that being used in rather racist connotations. Aside from the thought of the woman needing to fit your erection perimeters being a dumb way to gauge character design , extremely misogynist and insulting to the model and the character designers , why are you gauging character design on fertility at all
Would you be cool with this design if the thighs were covered up (let's say the white cloth under the boots are converted to full pants)? Or are there additional changes you'd like to see?
Jesus. My first message boards were GameFAQs and reading through the replies, the place feels so overtly incel-y now. Like, there's pushback and disdain but the ones that are out there are so shameless. Rose tinted glasses trying to assure me it wasn't that extreme in the past.
There were people on this very forum (and old gaf) that said this exact same thing about reboot lara.
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probably full tights and make the knight variet less titty tastic and more elegant. Like look at them their cones. Its beyond dumb.
Yeah the knight version looks awful. But I kind of like the normal looking version of her. Pants would be an improvement for sure though.
It was the person that described Jill's new design as a "nefarious face".There were people on this very forum (and old gaf) that said this exact same thing about reboot lara.
What does that even mean? :/
It means she has a face that doesn't look like a barbie doll.
Nah there's no defending that cleavage. It's insultingly stupid.And then there is Saskia from Witcher 2, which combines cool and sexy.. and to a lesser extend some practicality
Yeah, her cleavege isn't helping her in any way in a battle, but on the other hand can help her to win some "hearts" between the simple folk in (Upper) Aedirn and in the end, she is in fact a literaldragon, so her armor and whole human form is just a window dressing
I wish you hadn't, it was actually interesting!
Also, esserius regarding mobility in armour:
Reminds me of:
Why are you so callous!
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Yeah, sure... still Saskia is one bad ass and interesting character
Thanks for the video. Really interesting. I do think it drives the point home of how heavy plate armor is and how easy it is to knock a person down in armor (was pretty funny seeing the guy try to jog off screen and the one where he tried to roll). Makes sense why they were primarily used in mounted combat. Though it also drives home how tough plate armor is and how there were only a handful of effective ways to actually stop them in their tracks.
Agreed.
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New Jill being called ugly makes me want to slap some fools.
She's modeled after a goddamn model ffs.
She's modeled after a goddamn model ffs.
I said this before and I will say it again: The new Jill is a really beautiful lady. Those idiots make me wonder if they go out or not cause the new Jill is attractive just like her model.
Hearing people talking about the hairstyle also makes me wonder what kind of crazy drugs they are smoking. It is literally the same hairstyle she had in 3. It is so similiar infact that the hair parting is the same side as the original (unlike REmake 1's RE3 outfit).
Only thing different is that REmake 3 Jill's hair looks more messy due to rain and the hair air drying which is a nice touch
Hearing people talking about the hairstyle also makes me wonder what kind of crazy drugs they are smoking. It is literally the same hairstyle she had in 3. It is so similiar infact that the hair parting is the same side as the original (unlike REmake 1's RE3 outfit).
(Note that this is Jill's reflection from a mirror)
Only thing different is that REmake 3 Jill's hair looks more messy due to rain and the hair air drying which is a nice touch
It really is a testament to how much gamers have become frogs in the boiling sexualization waters that despite studios using an actual gorgeous model as the base of characters in the face-scanning era they're like "yeah, she's okay-looking I guess" and who she actually is doesn't matter.
She's supposed to be a competent person in a ludicrous crisis, FFS.
From when The Evil Within launched:
www.theguardian.com
She's supposed to be a competent person in a ludicrous crisis, FFS.
From when The Evil Within launched:
Shinji Mikami: the godfather of horror games
With his new title, Evil Within, heading for release, we talk to the creator of the Resident Evil series about terror, technique and the problem with female characters. By Keith Stuart
www.theguardian.com
I always wondered what the deal was with Rebecca. Once again the suits ruin everything.It really is a testament to how much gamers have become frogs in the boiling sexualization waters that despite studios using an actual gorgeous model as the base of characters in the face-scanning era they're like "yeah, she's okay-looking I guess" and who she actually is doesn't matter.
She's supposed to be a competent person in a ludicrous crisis, FFS.
From when The Evil Within launched:
Shinji Mikami: the godfather of horror games
With his new title, Evil Within, heading for release, we talk to the creator of the Resident Evil series about terror, technique and the problem with female characters. By Keith Stuart
It gets worse when Rebecca should have been changed in the remake to fit 0. It really makes me wonder why they never did change her personality cause I doubt they didn't know they were making 0 when they made REmake.
Rebecca in 0 goes against so much dangerous shit and even fights a god damn Tyrant solo only to then cower from a Hunter in REmake 1.
I think what most of these people want is outside of the realm of the natural variation of bodies, even the most desired and conventionally attractive ones.
They want anime figures and sex dolls. A J-cup apparently filled with helium and absolutely no sagginess, together with a waist small enough to wrap one's hands around. Preferably combined with a face which is both childlike and laden with lip fillers.
Oh and they have to be a virgin. And submissive.
Oh, this is good shit. I always hated Rebecca even back in the day haha, before I even "knew" about feminist critique and all that.She's supposed to be a competent person in a ludicrous crisis, FFS.
From when The Evil Within launched:
Shinji Mikami: the godfather of horror games
With his new title, Evil Within, heading for release, we talk to the creator of the Resident Evil series about terror, technique and the problem with female characters. By Keith Stuart
Also Shinji Mikami is a feminazi SJW confirmed! I bet that'll make some idiots' heads explode hahah.
Thanks for that link!
What if they are like me, a person for whom characters modeled after real life people always fall into the Uncanny Valley?
Since I don't really know the original models I don't have this problem here, but I remember having that issue for Alien Isolation and seeing pics/clips of Sigourney Weaver. The model wasn't badly done or anything, but there's just something... off.... that I don't get on entirely original models hah.
To me, sometimes the photo realistic playable characters from modern RE games are as frightening as the hideous aberrations they usually encounter.
BTW the actress who played her in the FMV sequences in re1 has been finally found. Now only Jill remains.
I feel like fans of the traditional, non-creepy, lolita definition are in the same boat as people who liked the name Adolf or toothbrush mustaches before they were irrevocably ruined by association. You're just gonna have to take the L on this one.
I refuse to believe someone wrote this with a straight face. It's just not possible.
"I forgot to add that her skin looks bad like she's not fertile."
Jesus Christ.
WTF
In a way they said the quiet part of what they want with their female characters very loudly.
Seeing Evil Within mentioned - Kidman with her ridiculous highheels and her white blouse that gets wet, showing her black bra underneath...From when The Evil Within launched:
Shinji Mikami: the godfather of horror games
With his new title, Evil Within, heading for release, we talk to the creator of the Resident Evil series about terror, technique and the problem with female characters. By Keith Stuart
The DMC5 characters vary greatly from scene to scene for me. Especially in motion they tend to look off. And I fail to find Trish attractive at all. (but calling her ugly would be a bit much as well.)
Even if a model is the base, it is not 100% the same. And of course, everyone has different taste.
(Those overreacting idiotic trash comments stay trash, tho. Fertile skin, lmao. <.<)
Honestly I don't know how even after reading this thread my Street Fighter mains are still Cammy White and Elena.
I also think thre's something off about most human characters in DMC5 but I must admit it's just me preferring the stylized designs of previous entries over photorealistics ones.
Trish is very much a 40-year old Biker chick. Her face and hair is surprisingly authenticating looking.
Ariana Diamant wasn't a bad choice for Trish's model. She's got a very distinct look that I think helps make Trish stand out. I only wish they'd use this concept art from DMC1 as a basis for Trish's design in later games:
I'm also partial to this design concept for Kat in DmC:
Maybe it wouldn't work for Trish, but I think it's an idea that warrants revisiting.
Trish's outfit in 5 is somehow worse than in 4, even though her concept art looks exactly the same as her DMC4 design, which is a shame because everyone else's designs were improved across the board:
I'm also partial to this design concept for Kat in DmC:
Maybe it wouldn't work for Trish, but I think it's an idea that warrants revisiting.
Trish's outfit in 5 is somehow worse than in 4, even though her concept art looks exactly the same as her DMC4 design, which is a shame because everyone else's designs were improved across the board:
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That's another thing, absolutely. It took quite some time for them to grow on me, and I'm still not too fond of some decisions, especially colorwise.
Trish is kinda a lost cause for me since DMC1. XD
I mean at a certain point, you kind of have to just enjoy the video game. The discussion is valuable and hopefully pushes future design, but it's not like you can't play games you enjoy.
Problem with Trish's outfit is... if you are going to make a sexualized outfit at least make it look cool. For instance I'll admit I think 2B looks cool. But Trish's outfit just looks hideous in every possible regard. Like it's annoying both that the game is trying sexual pandering, and on a lower level it's also annoying that the game thinks I'm supposed to be attracted to that fashion. :P
And let's not go down the rabbit hole about her looking like Dante's mom on top...
I'm constantly baffled by people who don't find modern versions of old characters more attractive. Lara Croft, Tifa, Jill, etc, they look like actual humans now, which one would hope equals more attractive in people's eyes. Or maybe they're just attracted to people with absurd body proportions and nonsense attire?
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