Thanks, mate. Now I literally can't stop staring at it. That shit is so fucking busy. It looks more like she has an entire recording studio built into that absurd thing.
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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She's actually originated from Zero/Ao (because yeah she's from Crossbell) , but just much younger and still sexually harassing other ladies. Although that was in sprite form.
She's 18 in CS3 and 16 in Ao.
i guess the art you posted shows her outfit more, but you could have posted this one too
Yeah that fair. I would say her swimsuit, while kinda frame as child like, isn't leering as others.
Okay now I'm definitely never playing beyond Sky.She's actually originated from Zero/Ao (because yeah she's from Crossbell) , but just much younger and still sexually harassing other ladies. Although that was in sprite form.
She's 18 in CS3 and 16 in Ao.
Yea I dunno from what I can tell the Cold Steel series are more "modern" (for the lack of a better word), and while I'm an old fart who played a ton of old games, that was back in the day and nowadays I'd rather play a semi-modern game (*). Or not in this case 🤷♀️
(*) Not to mention I'd probably have started the series with like CS3 because I won't be able to find the time to play the whatever number of episodes there are now.
At least I can listen to their OST 🤷♀️
(sorry for off-topic)
It's really been a case of technological advances. The pandering always been there, like an example is seeing rixia in Zero/Ao and how she's brought to life in CS/Hajimari. I feel the pandering always been about the same amount. (well starting with the zero series) Never goes too low outside of the siscon/harem stuff. Consistent if anything.
My GF is currently plaything through the Cold Steel series and while aspects of it intrigue me, stuff like the predatory lesbian and other shit are a big turnoff.
I'd quit if you disliked the intro of P5 as it doesn't get much better.
Persona 5's worst aspects are apparently the result of Katsura Hashino being a shitty person. The creepy sexual assault stuff and weird random slavery seem to all be his ideas (explains a lot about the past games he's directed as well...).
The original designs and story seem to take a more Carmen Sandiego feel to the game (but Hashino just had to have his high schoolers in skin-tight suits).
Tokyo Xanadu shares many character assets with Cold Steel series, yet I don't remember it going overboard with clothing. Even a character biased initially towards gays changes later on. Game is even tamer than Persona as if it were to copy but also correct everything wrong with it
I still remember that creep mentioned males can't have friendship with women, that's why all MC social links with the female characters are romantic.
Hopefully now that he won't be directing Persona games, the franchise can become better.
Catherine Full Body wasn't directed by him and look how that turned out. Same with Persona 5 Royal.
It's an Atlus problem, not a Hashino problem.
It's definitely an Atlus problem as well, but I think Hashino is certainly contributing to the toxicity in a major way.
Rean's situation becomes obnoxious where by the final game just about every woman finds themselves in awe of how impressive he is and want to date him (superiors included).
Rean seams like a rather boring protag that belongs in a iseki/harem anime.
Anybody shared this yet? Cause it's not just about what your character looks like, it's also about how your character moves. In this, it's highly exaggerated and ridiculous, and it shows how obvious it is as soon as you swap it with a male model.
Yeah, and it's exactly the same shit as what the Batman/Catwoman model swap, or the Quiet/Ocelot one show. Male gaze isn't just in 3D modeling and texturing, it's also in animating and framing.
Very good way to quickly tell how exaggerated and sexualized the movement of characters is in games. And very shameful.
The game would be a 1000x better if Laura was the protagonist, just saying. (I still love CS though)
Not, he is. Rean clicks many of the most obnoxious JRPG clichés. He is also one of the reasons I don't like so much Cold Steel; Rean doesn't have anything redeemable. Honestly, these days Falcom seems to be even worse than Atlus. Terrible MC, horrible designs for female characters, using the worst tropes possible like predatory lesbian...
*high five*
Unless I am remembering wrong, during the first mission, Jessie didn't have any flirty comments. Cloud helped her on the way out and the flirting started after when the danger had died down. All of Jessie's extra dialogue in the demo comes off as out of place given the danger of the mission.
Exactly, its something I kept bringing up with Xenoblade Chronicles 2. It's not just the costumes but the camera angles intentionally placed to be as creepy as possible.
Thumbs up!
That's a 6 year old during beach day. If she's portrayed as anything else, then I think we can set off the creepy alarms.
Why study how people behave in real life when you can study video games and anime? Especially when your most lucrative audience loathe real life and applaud anything that behaves like a cartoon.
It shouldn't be something that needs to be studied neither but here we are lol
It's probably mocapped too. The performer is just mimicking anime mannerisms.
That's a pretty common issue with just about all otaku media. The creators don't draw from anything other than other otaku works so what they make looks unnatural to anyone who doesn't already consume the same material. Animation and manga are very stylized so it's harder to notice this effect, but works that are closer to real like can look very odd indeed. The problem is that Japanese games are becoming more and more like this so it's just going to get worse for the foreseeable future.
i mean, if you're animating or modelling people then you definitely put in the work
Sounds like your typical harem anime. Boring, uninteresting protag yet all these girls fall head over heels for him.
I know people like to defend it with "but that happens in women's romance as well just look at Twilight". Except the genre has names for such works. Trashy romance and bargain bin romance.
Maybe we can make trashy JRPG a thing. 🤔
It's funny, when FF7 first came out I thought those exaggerated mannerisms were just a way of signifying the emotions these little blobs were feeling not an accurate approximation of how they wanted these characters to move.
Jesus christ
Yeah. Laura is honestly one of the game's saving graces.
yeah that's way better. The old one looked like a protagonist in the next Life is Strange, not a AAA action game.
Also the box art is reversible, and I dont know if this is feasible but it would be cool if half of the copies on the shelves were "reversed" already.
god Iris' animations just looks so bizarre and out of place
remember how the FF15 team was very quick to try to quell concerns that the game wasn't going to have any significant female characters?
and then we get
Cindy, who is unnecessarily sexualized
Iris, who moves like that
Luna, supposedly a main character, who is barely in the game and gets fridged
Aranea, who's alright but also had to have her design altered before release to give her pants
and Gentiana, who is also ok until she turns into Shiva and looks Like That (NSFW)
and none of them get nearly as much screen time as the male characters
hell, Luna is more present in the cgi movie than the game (which also fridges a different female character lmao)
Cindy, who is unnecessarily sexualized
Iris, who moves like that
Luna, supposedly a main character, who is barely in the game and gets fridged
Aranea, who's alright but also had to have her design altered before release to give her pants
and Gentiana, who is also ok until she turns into Shiva and looks Like That (NSFW)
and none of them get nearly as much screen time as the male characters
hell, Luna is more present in the cgi movie than the game (which also fridges a different female character lmao)
it stands out even more cuz I recently played some FF12 and, say what you will about the costume designs in that game, but while Penelo definitely has some "cute girl mannerisms", the mocap there looks and feels more naturalistic
and Vanille in FF13 does have very exaggerated motions, some people (on the english speaking internet at least) were pretty vocal about how annoying they found her
and the fact that she's laying her "cute, fun, and carefree" shtick on so thick is actually part of her character arc, for better or worse
Whilst hanging around Internet writing circles - sadly a necessity when you're rural-based - I've seen people (almost always men tbh) lambast anyone who draws inspiration from real life. "It's supposed to be escapism!" they claim. "I don't want to see characters behave like real people, because I see enough of that in real life."
Thinking about it, I'm sure I've seen similar arguments on this site.
I think that's what they were, originally - unfortunately, you now have people who have grown up consuming nothing but these abstract exaggerations, so that's how they see the real world...
Ever met people who mimic anime body language IRL? I have!! And that was over a decade ago...
Imagine a world where actors still exaggerated/moved like they were in silent films....that's anime games.
While her lust for Cloud can be criticized, people lighten tense situations with "inappropriate"/goofy/light-hearted banter all the time, or joke about serious matters. That kind of behaviour is fairly normal in stressful situations and I don't think that's out of place.
Outfits aside, basically most of FFXII plays itself straight and serious. Recently beat it and was just completely satisfied how real most characters felt and acted.... aside from outfits.
i'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say that jessie's entire personality will be 'i think cloud is hot'. granted this could be seen as better than having little to no personality due to how small a role she has in the original but eh.
I really like her. A side cut and pink hair? Fuck yeah, I love her already and I'll happily enjoy playing as her!
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I hope that a certain spoiler that has already been somewhat mentioned in this thread (though it might've left out some key info) means that we'll get a look into her life that's not just a variation from "I wanna jump his bones"
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