Oh shit! Is there a song?!
Well said. Some real stupid shallow and stupid takes on this, especially on this forum. No room for nuance or discussion. FAKE NEWS! CENSORSHIP! VIDEO GAMES! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLEBecause that is the logical connection to make when someone decides to make a movie featuring one of the most prolific and well-known fictional mass murderers in pop culture into a sad white man protagonist who just wanted to be loved. It's not a leap, it's not some kind of reach or hand-wringing concern trolling, it's the absolute natural response to those trailers in this political and social environment. And then when it turned out the guy who wrote and directed it had never even thought about that aspect of the subject matter, it got bigger because how much of a fucking idiot could Todd Phillips actually be? (Answer: Very much one.)
And on a side note, honestly the "the press did it because they want a mass shooting to happen" shit is disgusting and should be bannable. That's pure Trumpian "fake news" and "corrupt media" bullshit and isn't at all what happened here. Anyone saying shit like that is fucking pathetic.
No, it's not. There's more nuance here, and there's also precedent in the sense that the proto "incel" communities have in fact latched on to films they saw themselves in and used them as totems for advancing their viewpoints and indoctrinating vulnerable newcomers. The fact that Joker has no inherent viewpoint on its protagonist's monstrous actions, simply assuming the viewer will see it as abhorrent, makes it ripe for this adoption, much like Fight Club or American History X or the Hitler youth song in Cabaret. I don't think anyone will be shooting up a theater because of Joker, but it's going to become a touchstone for some very, very unsavory folks. Does that mean it shouldn't exist? Of course not, but nobody's actually saying that except dipshits trying to avoid the conversation that the film and its subject matter very plainly invites, whether the idiot who directed it understands that or not.
I think because it seemed like a bleak movie presenting a popular, villainous character sympathetically - reducing the degrees of seperation between a comic book character and a potentially volatile viewer - 'See, the Joker isn't too unlike you'.
This started with social media reaction, not with media.Way over-thinking it. Media writes a bunch of articles to create a story and people buy into it -- That's about it.
Nothing more terrifying to the American corporate mainstream media than a "eat the rich" theme.Seems like a bunch of liberals throwing a fit. Mostly americans tho as you can milk fear way easier there.
If people instead focussed on the thin but present anti-capitalist /kill the rich themes this clown could have been a leftist icon.
Nothing more terrifying to the American corporate mainstream media than a "eat the rich" theme.
But they can't come out and say that it why they hate it so it instead becomes an "incel" movie.
I don't know, the controversy seems entirely manufactured by the media to me.
I'm not sure thatis exactly a health message to convey, either.propping up Joker as some kind of savior for the middle class against the elite through violence
Liberals being guilty of the same kind of moral panic right-wingers and Christians have engaged in forever. See post right below this one.
It's quite pathetic, really. Several magnitudes less pathetic than incels and right-wingers, but still pathetic in its own right.
What did Marc Maron say?The movie became a lightning rod for politics, culture war and comic book company tribalism with Todd Phillips and Marc Maron happily pouring gasoline on the fire to further their point.
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Insecure marvel fans lost their minds like they did for Scorsese.
I read this take by Michael Moore earlier today, he loved the movie and encourage everyone to go see it: https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10156278766436857
Not sure what to think about it since I haven't seen the movie but I thought he was being too... I don't know, understanding of the Joker?
I guess that's one of the things that make people talk about the movie so much. Personnally I've been completely de-hyped because of Todd Phillips' stupidity during the press tour, so if I see it, it'll be on a streaming service later.
This article is a quick recap
Insecure marvel fans lost their minds like they did for Scorsese.
This article is a quick recap
Insecure marvel fans lost their minds like they did for Scorsese.
You can be understanding, but also know what's happening isn't right.I read this take by Michael Moore earlier today, he loved the movie and encourage everyone to go see it: https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10156278766436857
Not sure what to think about it since I haven't seen the movie but I thought he was being too... I don't know, understanding of the Joker?
I guess that's one of the things that make people talk about the movie so much. Personnally I've been completely de-hyped because of Todd Phillips' stupidity during the press tour, so if I see it, it'll be on a streaming service later.
Yep, it's surprising how hard it is for people to grasp this.Because that is the logical connection to make when someone decides to make a movie featuring one of the most prolific and well-known fictional mass murderers in pop culture into a sad white man protagonist who just wanted to be loved. It's not a leap, it's not some kind of reach or hand-wringing concern trolling, it's the absolute natural response to those trailers in this political and social environment. And then when it turned out the guy who wrote and directed it had never even thought about that aspect of the subject matter, it got bigger because how much of a fucking idiot could Todd Phillips actually be? (Answer: Very much one.)
And on a side note, honestly the "the press did it because they want a mass shooting to happen" shit is disgusting and should be bannable. That's pure Trumpian "fake news" and "corrupt media" bullshit and isn't at all what happened here. Anyone saying shit like that is fucking pathetic.
No, it's not. There's more nuance here, and there's also precedent in the sense that the proto "incel" communities have in fact latched on to films they saw themselves in and used them as totems for advancing their viewpoints and indoctrinating vulnerable newcomers. The fact that Joker has no inherent viewpoint on its protagonist's monstrous actions, simply assuming the viewer will see it as abhorrent, makes it ripe for this adoption, much like Fight Club or American History X or the Hitler youth song in Cabaret. I don't think anyone will be shooting up a theater because of Joker, but it's going to become a touchstone for some very, very unsavory folks. Does that mean it shouldn't exist? Of course not, but nobody's actually saying that except dipshits trying to avoid the conversation that the film and its subject matter very plainly invites, whether the idiot who directed it understands that or not.