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Why do they keep making the same Hot Springs Gag over and over again. (Mild Spoilers for Persona 3,4 and Persona 5 Strikers)
- Thread starter TheGamingNewsGuy
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Man, to imagine some dude buying a Persona game thinking "wow, can't wait to see a scene taking place in hot spring! Hope the guys and gals get mixed up somehow!".
Not sure I buy this these days, especially as Japan moves away from traditional consoles. There was a Japanese survey that showed that teenagers were among the smallest audiences, with 20-30 years olds making up the majority of the fanbase.
Does Strikers have KT writers? It's amazing that the creative team for Royal had the restraint to not do this but the creative team for Strikers did.
Edit: Of course, some of the changes/added content in Royal is bad in a much different way.
Edit: Of course, some of the changes/added content in Royal is bad in a much different way.
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The worst thing about this is that they always depict the attempts of cooking as a pixellated purple lump of goo rather than attempt to show why the food didn't come out well. It's like trying to do character development when Homer Simpson ignites his cornflakes.
Laid-Back Camp springs to mind.
And that's why they focus so much on teenagers and high schoolers. It remembers them of their high school years, since it's a special time in people's lives.
OP
OP
Strikers i beleive has a pretty good story but then we get stuff like this
and i am like...really
Joker and Ryuji's reactions just annoy me
Highscool is their last moments of carefree freedom. The expectations of working culture after that are very rough
Maybe things have changed in the last 20 years but in the late 90s and 2000s it was true
I laughed when it showed up in the digimon tri bath house scene and it was the girls busting in on the boys instead
Since every jrpg also has a shounen high-school / coming of age setting, my guess would be that onsens are a cultural reference point in the average Japanese boy's, uhm, sexual growth.
Because this kind of joke that is built around the fetishization of the female body is as far as incel cognition goes functionally. I hope these games/anime grow out of puberty someday, their aesthetics are the closest things to fun and queer that we have in gaming, and yet all the regression in social commentary is just disapointing.
These scenes would be better if we knew they were actually written by an AI. Actually maybe the AI would be more original. Even the non perv stuff is basically a copy/paste.
Like why not just make it so the characters understand that there is a misunderstanding? If you have to add such a useless trope then do something unpredictable.
Such a stupid mess.
Such a stupid mess.
I'm assuming that Royal and Strikers were written by the new P-Studio. And original Persona 5 by old P-Studio now Studio Zero. But I'm not 100% sure.
OP reminds me of a poster who once said Persona 3 was ripping off Bible Black of all things because of generic anime tropes.
Imagine your anime points of reference being bible black
Don't forget the part where the entire conversation is the female characters comparing chest sizes:
Female Character 1: Oh my god [Female Character 2], your chest is soooo much bigger than mine.
Female Character 3: I wish mine were like that.... [sad face]
Female Character 2: W...what do you mean? *intense blushing*
Every.
Single.
Time.
Female Character 1: Oh my god [Female Character 2], your chest is soooo much bigger than mine.
Female Character 3: I wish mine were like that.... [sad face]
Female Character 2: W...what do you mean? *intense blushing*
Every.
Single.
Time.
The most disturbing thing is that shit is starting to leak into the good Shin mega Tensei games, hopefully V is free of that bullshit, I just wanna go kill god.
I hope you ready for what's about to come in SMT V 👀
* Insert evil laughter here
Yep, the gag is unfunny and unnecessary, but we're (meaning, anywhere outside of Japan) not the main target audience for them.
This one got me good! XD
The dumbest is that it makes the girls look irrational since they ask for an explanation, the boys do and then the girls say "no excuses" like what? it's not even about punishing them since in this case it was a mistake, you can even see a lot of the commenters in the video saying the same
It's one of the moments that stood out for me in Trails in the Sky FC. The cast go to a hot spring, have a fun time, and have a wholesome conversation. The sprites are not horny and it's a very cute scene overall, it should be the standard for hot spring scenes. There are definitely romantic undertones, with Estelle feeling embarrased on sharing a hot spring with Joshua, but it's not handled like the usual anime hijinks. It's just romance, really.
Can't speak for the rest of the Trails games cause I have not played them, but I heard they got much worse in this front.
As for the question of OP... it's one of the most popular tropes in anime! But everyone already said it.
EDIT: I honestly genuinely forgot there was a dumb anime "omg, a boy in the woman's bath!" mistake in this scene before posting it lol. But still, it's so lowkey and resolved so quickly that I still found it refreshing. It's definitely still up there as one of the best hot spring scenes I have seen.
I was thinking with Persona becoming such a flagship Japanese series that they would distance themselves from such shameless otaku indulgences as to not alienate a larger audience. But it might have just become worse. Additionally, the high-schoolers who played Persona 5 at its inception would be adults now, so getting fanservice scenes of these characters after so many years feels particularly inappropriate.
Let's not be too quick to judge here. Perhaps they were part of the task force that secured bin Laden's compound and went through his data.
Nah... I can't do that. I would've missed out alotta cool shows if I did that
Kaguya-sama is great; I need to catch up on the manga.This reminds me to the Kaguya wants to be confessed when they make fun of the trope:
Anyway, yeah, the "guys peek into the girls' side of the hot springs but get caught and reprimanded in a slapstick way" trope is more of an anime thing than just a Persona thing. It's boring and gross.
The Persona series post-P3 has tried to have its games structured like an anime, with the dungeons and plot lines revolving around a month acting like story arcs in an anime season. That's part of the reason of why they games run so long (apart from standard JRPG bloat). So it's only natural that they take on the anime tropes as well.
I remembered being particularly annoyed in Persona 5 where they waste an anime cutscene just on showing us what the girls look like in their kimonos/yukatas for the festival. It's just there for the "waifu" crowd and doesn't do anything like advance the plot or introduce a new character.
You have games where you go and kill people with guns and grenades. Is this really something to be outraged over?
I think it's one of those anime tropes that they've just kept in because it's a running gag.
Relatively harmless, but maybe I'm just not educated on this subject and am missing something?
I think it's one of those anime tropes that they've just kept in because it's a running gag.
Relatively harmless, but maybe I'm just not educated on this subject and am missing something?
BUt bOys wILl bE boiZ
Anime's views on sexual harassment is deeply shitty.
Sure, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. It's like saying this scene from The Sandlot is a big no-no.
Pool Scene (The Sandlot)
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Man, I was hopeful after the absence of a hot spring scene in P5/R, P-Studio finally would have gotten the memo that it's a trash trope. Evidently not.
Kaguya is the best. Their version of the "hot springs scene" cracked me up.
This reminds me to the Kaguya wants to be confessed when they make fun of the trope:
Kaguya is the best. Their version of the "hot springs scene" cracked me up.
Xenoblade 2 has a character with a split personality so she's the tsundere who can't cook and also the gentle, loving waifu who's great at cooking.
Persona tries to hard to follow anime tropes, it ends up actually harming the experience imo. It would be a breath of fresh air if the next manages to not have a beach episode or a hot springs one now with a change in director.
Makes the game worse. Its just a distracting scene that sexualises teenagers, doesnt advance any character arcs, ends up with incosistent characterization, literally goes against the themes of the game, etc.
Its just a bad, pointless scene, put those resources somewhere else please.
