All content providers inevitably start providing utter shit
The only ones who havent so far are...Apple and Epic Games store?
The only ones who havent so far are...Apple and Epic Games store?
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Why did Sony stop content curation and allow all kinds of shovelware on PS4?
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haha well, I would say that started on the Wii, didn't it? Was one of, if not the biggest complain of that console
No one is defending the inclusion of these games.
And every gamer forum is filled with alt-righters, except maybe this one.
They aren't specifically defending these games, but by making the general argument "we shouldn't have curation because there might be a good game that gets rejected" they are allowing games like School Shooter whatever to be sold in certain situations.
And why is this forum different? Because it has curation!
Because curation and censorship is nearly always stupid, exceptions of course do and should exist but it's easier to deal with case by case.
It's way less of a problem on PS4 because the storefront is pretty well-curated. You actually kinda have to dig deep to reach the really bad shovelware. Besides, placing quality restrictions can be tricky because, well, quality is subjective. For what it's worth, the PS4 store is still leagues better than the Switch's.
I think a lot of crappy games just comes with the territory of not curating games. I'm ultimately against curation because I don't like the idea of someone else telling what to like and not like.
Also Undertale and Minecraft will forever be great examples of games that at a glance you wouldn't peg for a million seller, let alone a billion dollar IP.
Also Undertale and Minecraft will forever be great examples of games that at a glance you wouldn't peg for a million seller, let alone a billion dollar IP.
I can see why it could be an issue, but one of the problems that come with "curation" is who gets to say what is and isn't worthy of being on a store front? Of course it would ultimately be up to the platform holder but some of the games they may deny could be seen as art to another.
It's not such a black and white issue. Sure; devs will have a harder time standing out amongst the pile of other releases and "trash/shovelware", but you're also allowing another entity to decide what is good for you instead of making that decision yourself.
It's not such a black and white issue. Sure; devs will have a harder time standing out amongst the pile of other releases and "trash/shovelware", but you're also allowing another entity to decide what is good for you instead of making that decision yourself.
Every game still has to be ESRB rated, so there is still a level of curation happening on Switch/Xbox/PS4 that isn't happening on Steam. Platform holders are historically very bad at determining what is and is not 'shovelware' so I think this ends up being better even though some amateurish stuff comes through.
Plenty of people enjoy those easy Platinum trophy games (and honestly most of the games, while mediocre, are actual indie games that are playable and have, like, actual mechanics). If they want to buy them then who cares?
Switch eShop is full of stuff I don't care about but even 90% of those games are genuine efforts by indie devs, even if they don't end up being very good.
Plenty of people enjoy those easy Platinum trophy games (and honestly most of the games, while mediocre, are actual indie games that are playable and have, like, actual mechanics). If they want to buy them then who cares?
Switch eShop is full of stuff I don't care about but even 90% of those games are genuine efforts by indie devs, even if they don't end up being very good.
This is a problem on every storefront. Switch storefront is worse IMO. I guess the logic is 'some money is better than no money and it outweighs customer annoyance with our store being cluttered' or something like that. Curation is key. They need more filters too. Let me filter by release date, by price, by ESRB rating, by genre, by popularity, by tag, etc. Steam does the best job with helping you cut through the clutter, but its not perfect.
The games you are describing can't make it through the ESRB, so what you are describing is a Steam-only problem and not a problem with the PSN, which is the subject of this thread.
I don't even really disagree with you, I'm just pointing out that the specific games you are talking about are not on PSN either, because there are some base-level barriers to publishing a game on console.
This kind of content should never be allowed, and if they are they should be removed asap (which I believe Steam did for that school shooter game).
It has nothing to do with refusing games because they "look bad".
I might be misremembering, but WiiWare was mostly fine. There were some very low-budget games in there, sure, but I don't remember asset flips.
Point taken. I guess I take exception to the "no curation" arguments and let my argument get away from me. Appreciate the correction.
Asset flips didn't really exist back then, that was long before development tools were as widely available as they are now.
No problem.
Definitely tons of it, but there's at least attempts at curation, especially with Apple Arcade
This isnt about subscription systems its not like Sonys is giving out this trash to their PS+ subs or MS will put shit into GamePass.
iOS still has endless number of shovelware. So has every mayor platform.
Apple Arcade is not really curation of iOS as a platform, it's an entirely separate service you have to pay for. iOS is one of the worst platforms for this kind of thing because they rarely do anything about straight-up stolen assets and IP infringement. Even Steam cracks down on that stuff.
Nah, Vroom in the Night Sky was developed specifically for Switch and actually uses a Nintendo engine(the same on Tetris 99 and Super Mario Party use), it was made by a longtime Wiiware/DSiware/3DS developer who Nintendo had published for before. It's a terrible game but Nintendo had no reason to turn the developer down, and their curation was always based on who the developer was rather than specific games.
Would you walk into a Gamestop and buy a game at random because "Gamestop would never sell a BAD game"? No? Then why you want to do the same in an online shop? "Curation" is short for "I want to look at a small list of games and tell myself they're the only ones worth looking at". It may feel good but it's bullshit.
iOS had around half a million games, you do the math and tell me the number of asset flips.
Steam at least does a good job of making their front page look good and having a decently set-up recommendations algorithm.
Son'y shop isn't bad either, but other than the featured titles is practically impossible to browse. But then eShop is in the same boat (plus runs like total ass for some reason).
But that's sort of the downside of all online shopping: you better know exactly what you want or you better go with what the storefront wants to sell you because the days of browsing the shelves looking for a surprise are over.
Son'y shop isn't bad either, but other than the featured titles is practically impossible to browse. But then eShop is in the same boat (plus runs like total ass for some reason).
But that's sort of the downside of all online shopping: you better know exactly what you want or you better go with what the storefront wants to sell you because the days of browsing the shelves looking for a surprise are over.
Hey, atleast you can sort them and find what you want.
on Switch I have a hard time going through games to find something good when there is a sale going on.
on Switch I have a hard time going through games to find something good when there is a sale going on.
I honestly feel like I don't see this stuff much while browsing PSN? Or I just go by it without registering. Maybe it's because I only ever look through the sales.
Sorry but what year is it? This is the oldest news.
It's because they only care about money. The Eshop is bad too but add the Eshop UI in and it's the absolute worst.
At least one of the big three has some decent quality control.
It's because they only care about money. The Eshop is bad too but add the Eshop UI in and it's the absolute worst.
At least one of the big three has some decent quality control.
Those kind of games don't get through though do they? Probably best not to equate light touch or minimal curation with no curation at all.
I'm responding to people advocating no curation. Games like school shooters have 'gotten through' on Steam and platforms that offer no curation.
Probably because Playstation Store is huge now. I used to get a lot of PS Store ads all the time for the last couple years. I guess it helps having a thick library of games despite the quality of most of them XD
Now as for the Eshop...
I mean there's Softcore Pornography on Nintendo Switch eShop, think about that.
Now as for the Eshop...
I mean there's Softcore Pornography on Nintendo Switch eShop, think about that.
Curation, at least in terms of denying shovelware, is doomed to be arbitrary and expensive with no measurable benefit to platform holders. As long as your storefront can do a decent job of directing users towards content they're interested in it doesn't make much sense to do it.
Gamers on enthusiast forums clamoring for better visibility and curation is kind of weird to me anyway. It's not like we're undiscerning customers incapable of using other means to find what we want. Occasionally I do browse the stores randomly and they all offer fine enough search options to look at things that interest me. If I happen to look at trash while searching... ok? Not a huge deal. For some reason the PS Store is as slow as molasses with some frustrating user experience quirks, but it's not the lack of curation that makes it a painful experience, it's that the shop runs like garbage. Which is kind of weird, you'd think some of the biggest game companies in the world could create competent software to their store portals for customers to buy more stuff from them, but...
I don't mean to defend any part of the store though. PS Store is hot garbage, and Sony should be ashamed to have that as their built in portal to more content. I forgive the eShop for being just as shitty because at least it doesn't lag and hang up for 10+ seconds whenever I click on a title. Both are still shitty, but I'd rather have a shitty store with all content than a good store with some content. ... I'd rather have a good store with all content though... I guess I just don't know what people are exactly after though.
I don't mean to defend any part of the store though. PS Store is hot garbage, and Sony should be ashamed to have that as their built in portal to more content. I forgive the eShop for being just as shitty because at least it doesn't lag and hang up for 10+ seconds whenever I click on a title. Both are still shitty, but I'd rather have a shitty store with all content than a good store with some content. ... I'd rather have a good store with all content though... I guess I just don't know what people are exactly after though.
You know something is shovelware when it isn't on Wikipedia
Otherwise I only buy games on sales, but even that have too much shovelware nowadays.
But honestly, I just want to search by Metroidvania or Zelda like games
Otherwise I only buy games on sales, but even that have too much shovelware nowadays.
But honestly, I just want to search by Metroidvania or Zelda like games
I'd love to see one of the major platform holders just straight up refuse a shitty or unfinished game by one of the big publishers just for the reactions on here. Like Sony saying no to Anthem.