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White House releases rough transcript of phone call with Ukrainian president Zelensky
- Thread starter chadskin
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We have such a nice and pure government don't we? This goin on. People taking bribes from powerful money interests. Such a good time to be alive.
Ah damn that's too bad, I didn't realize that til just now. Hopefully this will still deal a fatal blow to the Trump campaign.
it's illegal for a campaign to solicit help from a foreign government. Quid pro quo doesn't matter.
I dont think anything will come out of this and this seems to me more like the democratic party doing it for publicity and PR but hey, make the fucker sweat
Only for people who watch Hannity 24/7 and have no other placement in reality.
Thanks, now it is all clear in my head. Just wanted to be sure before talking out of my ass.
The bigger point is that no one has to demonstrate he broke a law. The standard in the Constitution is "high crimes and misdemeanors" which means precisely nothing more or less than what Congress wants it to mean.
For example, the President is required to take an oath of office; the language of it is written out in the Constitution itself. This isn't a law; it isn't a criminal statute; there is no defined sentence for breaking that oath. But it certainly falls under the umbrella of "high crimes and misdemeanors" to break the a Presidential oath of office, and Congress could remove him for doing it.
Really would have been great if Mueller didn't affirm the precedent of a sitting president not being allowed to be indited.
But just like focusing on the word "collusion" before, Senate will say "He never said out loud he would repay the favor, this is a disgusting witch hunt."
I'll be preeetty damn happy to be wrong about this and for Trump to be kicked to the curb, trust me
Look good in election season. Otherwise why not start impeachment proceedings oh, I dont know, anytime the last 3 years for the myriad of horrible shit hes done?
Congressional Dems have a constitutional DUTY to impeach here. It's nothing to do with publicity or PR and everything to do with upholding the law and trying to protect this democracy and its future elections.
because it says so in the document. it is a "memorandum" not a full transcript.
it's essentially a summary, just like Barr's "Mueller report" was just a summary
well if you don't call everyone in the thread ignorant in the middle of your earnest question i'm sure you'll be fine
yeah there seems to be this thing with him where he feels like if admits to things they are ok, bc he's admitting it, and people will lap it up.
i suspect his fan base might actually be ok with this phone call now that he's released it. Myself, I think he's a POS and if he gets impeached I'm going to ride that high til I die
i suspect his fan base might actually be ok with this phone call now that he's released it. Myself, I think he's a POS and if he gets impeached I'm going to ride that high til I die
Well if by nothing will happen means he won't be removed from office, true. But this is a pretty easily to follow example of illegal activity by the president and we are just at the opening here. Moderates are not going to favor the president come election time.
Impeachment came out out of this.
Impeachment. Isn't. Nothing.
Why bother releasing a rough transcript when it's incriminating. Either release the verbatim one so you can at least say you did it or have the rough summary not include the actual crime.
Dumbasses.
Dumbasses.
You do this now because it's easier to make people understand this than the Mueller business. Although still not easy enough for some people to grasp, apparently.
Please stop ascribing strategy to this collection of idiots they call an admin.
Because nothing else presented has been in plain view, current, easily explainable to the public, etc. This is a perfect storm scandal to actually make the attempt to take him down with because it's all right there.
Also that Clinton is unpopular and Biden isn't unfortunately plays into how people reacted in 2016 vs 2020.
Wait - is this impeachment *and* conviction? Or just being impeached disqualifies him?
I think this is clear proof that all the rational people that could have told Trump this was a bad idea are already out. Now all Trump can do is make poor choices, have some terrified flunkies *maybe* suggest he not do that, do it anyway, and then fire said flunkies once bad idea proves to be bad, because no one told him it would be bad, even though people did.
We're basically at the frothing Nero/Despot stage of the White House now. Everything Trump does will be self-inflicted, but he'll blame it on others since the ones that could have kept him from doing something so suicidal are now gone.
The Democrats have only been in the House of Representatives for 9 months now. Starting impeachment earlier would have been a mistake because the Senate isn't going to convict & an impeachment with no conviction would hand Trump a 2020 victory. By starting impeachment now, the actual procedure will drag into the election season. Not only will this tie Trump's resources up into fighting this instead of campaigning but people will be exposed to all the evidence that the Democrats have against Trump. By the time the process is over & the Senate actually takes the vote, the actual verdict won't matter because it'll be too close to November 5th for Trump to capitalize on the Senate voting it down.
Sure, the hardcore right-wing won't change their vote, but this is more about making sure that everyone up to the moderate right don't vote for Trump. Ultimately, the actual verdict is less important than the damage that the process will do to Trump's election chances. It's long term planning.
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I don't really see a scenario where Trump doesn't get impeached at this point. That's extremely rare and a very big deal. There's also a chance of resignation or removal via the Senate, but those a lot less likely of course, though not impossible to see.
It's kind of like the 2018 election. The main goal was winning the House, and as you see, that mattered A LOT. The Senate was a longshot, more of icing on the cake that didn't happen, but it all still mattered in the end.
According to CNN, the rough transcript was reviewed by several House and Senate Republicans prior to release:
Congressional Republicans aren't even trying to save Trump.
Congressional Republicans aren't even trying to save Trump.
I keep forgetting to ask but,
Say if the impeachment gets past the house, is that enough for him to not be allowed to actually run for president? or does he have to get fully impeached by the senate first?
Say if the impeachment gets past the house, is that enough for him to not be allowed to actually run for president? or does he have to get fully impeached by the senate first?
What gets me is just how much of the call is useless masturbatory praise to each other. "Good morning Mr. President, let me jerk you off. Oh you're jerking me off now? How gracious of you Mr President. Let me return the favor! Oh my goodness, sir, another wank for me? Tis surely kind."
NYT profile on Pelosi, which is actually pretty awful as it tries to paint a ridiculous (but politically useful) history of why we're going to Impeachment now that claims its due to the merits and not the slam-dunk politics of the scandal that got all the worried red-district people off the fence. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/pelosi-intelligence-impeachment.html
However there is one kind of amazing anecdote here:
However there is one kind of amazing anecdote here:
Fingers crossed that this shit will lead us to a world where neither Trump nor Biden is president.
Job 1 is obviously getting the orange shitstain out of office for good, but if this also means we don't have to deal with President Biden, that's an added bonus.
Job 1 is obviously getting the orange shitstain out of office for good, but if this also means we don't have to deal with President Biden, that's an added bonus.
Hey, hasn't been tested in court.
We really don't know what would happen, he's merely following DoJ guidance.
If it actually gets worse once the whistleblower report comes out, then I hope someone at least brings this up.
Enough won't. I mean 100,000 in three states is all we need if it's 2016 all over again. Moderates at least pretend to be enlightened thinkers that value the constitution. At least a few of them no doubt actually are.
Explainable to the public is key here. You can explain exactly what was done wrong in one sentence. "Trump withheld 400 million dollars in aid (with no reason given) to the Ukraine, and when discussing the matter, directly asked the Ukrainian leader to dig up dirt on a political opponent." Very straightforward.
The Democrats have only been in control of the House for nine months.