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What will be the progressive issues of the future?
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The right to personal enhancement (cybernetic and otherwise).
First, whether it's a person's right to pursue it in cases where prosthesis is not medically required.
Later, whether it's an equal right of all people that should be provided for.
First, whether it's a person's right to pursue it in cases where prosthesis is not medically required.
Later, whether it's an equal right of all people that should be provided for.
I now believe this, too. COVID-19 changed me to believe this.
I used to think "there will eventually be consequences so fucking obvious that no one could deny them." COVID-19 has had very serious consequences and plenty are denying them as it happens right in front of our fucking faces.
So yeah, climate change will be an issue tied to the idea of progressing humankind until the very last breath we collectively take.
This is a good read with valid points, but I still feel that overpopulation is an eventuality, isn't it? While it may not be the cause of today's issues, the thread is more aimed at future ones. There is only so much space and resources on Earth (less if we wanna keep natural ecosystems intact) and our population will only keep growing so at some point we'll all have to have that discussion. It's probably much further off than I originally thought though.
It is not. The birth rate of developed countries are gradually falling below replacement levels. It is actually starting to be a problem in countries like Japan and Italy, among others. Most births in the world happen in the undeveloped world, because of lack of affordable birth control, cultural attitudes toward birth control, and child mortality. When you're not sure which child you have will survive childhood, you tend to have more. Similarly, wealthier people in developed nations tend to have less kids because they're sure their child will survive, and they have consistent access to birth control. It is also difficult to afford raising multiple children in developed countries so large families are rarer unless there are cultural/religious factors at play. Demographers believe world population growth will level off around 10-12 billion as long as we keep improving the material conditions of developing countries. That is the main challenge, not overpopulation.
Overpopulation – The Human Explosion Explained
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Do not trust anyone who bangs the overpopulation drum. They are either ignorant of demographic trends, or getting very close to ecofascism, the idea that we should preserve the environment by depopulating "undesirables" (read: non-whites).
Probably the same stuff.
But maybe polygamy.
I was gonna say we ban cruise ships, but pre-CoCo, people seem to be realising the rubbish they release into the environment. And the pandemic has probably dealt an uppercut to stagger them anyway.
But maybe polygamy.
I was gonna say we ban cruise ships, but pre-CoCo, people seem to be realising the rubbish they release into the environment. And the pandemic has probably dealt an uppercut to stagger them anyway.
Some issues will split the progressives in two groups. That has already been the case with legalizing prostitution, and it will the case with sex robots, which are more popular and more sophisticated over the time. I've already seen otherwise progressive people against them.
I'm probably more radically progressive than other progressives, therefore I can see how other progressives become anxious to some issues and take a rather conservative standpoint for future issues.
I'm probably more radically progressive than other progressives, therefore I can see how other progressives become anxious to some issues and take a rather conservative standpoint for future issues.
Islamophobia.
Muslims being murdered all over the world and nobody cares. There are genocides happening right now, today.
Muslims being murdered all over the world and nobody cares. There are genocides happening right now, today.
Another good read. I wonder if these same current population trends will continue well into the future though. Like, say we start to see it become easier for people to raise children in the future with things like universal healthcare/education, reasonable work hours, etc. would we still see a declining population in developed countries with a lot of the hardships of raising children being removed?It is not. The birth rate of developed countries are gradually falling below replacement levels. It is actually starting to be a problem in countries like Japan and Italy, among others. Most births in the world happen in the undeveloped world, because of lack of affordable birth control, cultural attitudes toward birth control, and child mortality. When you're not sure which child you have will survive childhood, you tend to have more. Similarly, wealthier people in developed nations tend to have less kids because they're sure their child will survive, and they have consistent access to birth control. It is also difficult to afford raising multiple children in developed countries so large families are rarer unless there are cultural/religious factors at play. Demographers believe world population growth will level off around 10-12 billion as long as we keep improving the material conditions of developing countries. That is the main challenge, not overpopulation.
Overpopulation – The Human Explosion Explained
In a very short amount of time the human population exploded and is still growing very fast. Will this lead to the end of our civilization? Check out https:/...
Do not trust anyone who bangs the overpopulation drum. They are either ignorant of demographic trends, or getting very close to ecofascism, the idea that we should preserve the environment by depopulating "undesirables" (read: non-whites).
Today, parents are overworked and underpaid to the point where having children seems incredibly discouraging so I totally get the trend being down in developed countries right now as well as the other points you made.
Definitely animal rights.
That we turn a blind eye to the industrialized treatment of animals is a great sin of ours.
That we turn a blind eye to the industrialized treatment of animals is a great sin of ours.
This is an interesting one. Are you starting from the assumption that there's a "cure" for aging?
Aside from the obvious--the initial row over whether or not it should even be allowed, and the follow-up conversation about whether or not it should be universally provided--you're also looking at, for example, the discussion over whether or not employers should be able to discriminate in hiring against those who've voluntarily chosen to grow elderly.
One of the more prominent issues that will be relevant in the future, and honestly really should be now, is that of cognitive difference. Or what is known at times now as Neurodiversity. Right now, cognitive difference is lumped into either categories of 'illness' or other health related stigmas, or as autism as an umbrella cataloguing intstrument. The thing is, is that the vast differences and complexities of the mind can produce a wide variety of cognitive patterning that shapes people into many non normative ways of thinking and being. People right now, and in the past and the future to come, suffer greatly because of this - because the society we live in places primacy on normative cognitive patterns and models of thought (partially because of systems like capitalism but really pretty much any system of power based rule). The onus right now is on those who are considered different to change who they are to fit the patterns of an unwelcoming societal structure. I think if things ever change, what we call mental illness now will be considered a barbarism. I'm really not sure if it can or ever will change though, because it will take vast change on a scale totally unmatched even when considering things like changing racism or the like, things we're working on now. To remake society in a way where an oppressive normative cognitive patterning is less dominant and instead is more open and diverse is almost unthinkable in how it would exist. I'm not really sure, but there will always be a lot of people suffering if society looks at cognitive difference as something to be quelled or 'treated' instead of reshaping the society around that difference. It's sort of like right now if society expected a wheelchair bound person to crawl up the stairs by themselves instead of remaking the architecture to be open to people of all types of movement. That's sort of where we're at with cognitive difference, which includes what we traditionally think of as mental illness, or autism or whatever else.
I come to this as a counsellor who has spoken to a lot of people who will never find a place in this world where they get to 'function' or belong in ways that the cognitively normative are enabled. People who are left out in the cold, essentially.
I come to this as a counsellor who has spoken to a lot of people who will never find a place in this world where they get to 'function' or belong in ways that the cognitively normative are enabled. People who are left out in the cold, essentially.
Aging is just a mechanical function of our bodies. If we can engineer our bodies on the appropriate level, then presumably we should be able to alter how aging functions and potentially slow down or stop it or invoke some other adjustment that alters it.
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I recall reading somewhere that organ failure is the real cause of human death. We may be able to live "forever" provided that our organs are always properly functioning.
I hope lab grown meat can become a real, accessible thing for both moral and ecological reasons.
While this is terrible, I expect religions and religion-inspired hatred to be a thing of the past one day in the future. So it won't be just islamophobia that's history, it will be Islam, too. And Christianity. And every other religion. Hopefully the killings and hatred stop way before then.
Honestly - I always assumed it was figuring out how to more heavily push Public Transit, and minimize the use of Cars on the road.
Think about just how insane it is that we have these big heavy vehicles just zooming down the streets and neighbourhoods - and recall how many incidences those vehicles are associated with deaths and crippling injury.
Self-driving vehicles won't solve all of the problems. And even fully electric, there's still other massive problems with those vehicles - particularly health related.
And it feels an issue those of a more progressive mindset are more likely to tackle than a conservative mindset.
Think about just how insane it is that we have these big heavy vehicles just zooming down the streets and neighbourhoods - and recall how many incidences those vehicles are associated with deaths and crippling injury.
Self-driving vehicles won't solve all of the problems. And even fully electric, there's still other massive problems with those vehicles - particularly health related.
And it feels an issue those of a more progressive mindset are more likely to tackle than a conservative mindset.
Still race and class inequity.
Still LGTBQ+ rights.
But also:
Universal basic income and super socialism as a necessity due to automation.
The ethics of meat consumption when synthetic alternatives are cheap and indistinguishable from the real thing.
AI rights.
Sex with robots.
Transhumanism, gene editing, and cybernetic prosthetics/implants.
Sex with robots that look like things you're not supposed to have sex with.
Still LGTBQ+ rights.
But also:
Universal basic income and super socialism as a necessity due to automation.
The ethics of meat consumption when synthetic alternatives are cheap and indistinguishable from the real thing.
AI rights.
Sex with robots.
Transhumanism, gene editing, and cybernetic prosthetics/implants.
Sex with robots that look like things you're not supposed to have sex with.
I unfortunately do not see us moving past racial and gender inequality anytime soon.
The only way this will become a mainstream progressive issue is if capitalism suddenly stops existing. It won't.
The same issues as today because they are only getting worse
As African and Asian countries continue to gain esteem on the world stage we might see more talk re: colonial reparations. Doubt it will go anywhere, though.
As African and Asian countries continue to gain esteem on the world stage we might see more talk re: colonial reparations. Doubt it will go anywhere, though.
Trans and black rights. Visibility is there nowadays but that bigoted shit is still deeply ingrained in our culture and I think I'll be put to my final rest without things being notably better than they are now. I feel like bigotry will just evolve to continue making sure the world stays as hostile to minorities as it is today.
I would guess
- UBI
- ageism
- how we react to an immigration crisis due to climate change
- animal rights
- hopefully, abolishing the electoral college.
- UBI
- ageism
- how we react to an immigration crisis due to climate change
- animal rights
- hopefully, abolishing the electoral college.
Assuring wellbeing prior to labor relations, and making sure to emphasize prior to labor relations. M4A is currently argued as a response and fix to a for-profit system, not so much addressing a system that links health "care" to jobs, that only comes up on occasion. It gets there, yes, but it's seldom being proposed to get there because health care should be available to everyone before we determine if their job makes them worthy of care.
Under that umbrella, healthcare, housing, food, water, and UBI are all things to be proposed. The baseline necessities to wellbeing must be assured prior to jobs because the moment you link them to jobs, it becomes violent. Our system is full of coercion, which is a form of violence, and that's just referring to the people this actually works well for. And this is before climate and technological upheavals to labor relations. This pandemic is proof enough that companies need to begin to invest in production outside of human capital itself.
Under that umbrella, healthcare, housing, food, water, and UBI are all things to be proposed. The baseline necessities to wellbeing must be assured prior to jobs because the moment you link them to jobs, it becomes violent. Our system is full of coercion, which is a form of violence, and that's just referring to the people this actually works well for. And this is before climate and technological upheavals to labor relations. This pandemic is proof enough that companies need to begin to invest in production outside of human capital itself.
People have been saying animal rights, which I feel mostly pertain to slaughterhouses and eating animals, but I've thought for a while about how future generations might look back on pet ownership. Like, when I'm an old person, my bleeding heart progressive grandkids will be grilling me on why we thought it was okay to enslave pets for our own amusement back when I was their age, and asking why didn't I recognize how inhumane it was. Even funnier is that I can see people who consider themselves deeply progressive today finding it hard in the future to agree with all the young kids calling their generation heartless and cruel for having a pet kitty when they were young, and said older generation will be howling back about how things were different back then.
I tend to agree that it's going to be eating meat, and more broadly animal rights. I think you can already see a shift starting to happen, more mainstreaming of meat-free alternatives, and the battle lines forming. And this is speaking as a meat eater.
It'll be interesting to see whether lab-grown meat intensifies the argument or completely lets the air out of it.
It'll be interesting to see whether lab-grown meat intensifies the argument or completely lets the air out of it.
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I am thinking 100s of years in the future, not the next few decades.
I guess I have been watching too much Star Trek where people don't need to work. If it doesn't happen then the least that will happen is certain forms of today's employment (very long hours on low wages) will be treated in the same way we treat slavery.
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I still think Earth may be federated but people will be against these silly ideas of nationalism.
Seeing user data as being the property of the user
The silence is deafening
As a general rule, I think your odds of moral evolution taking us beyond certain natural, ingrained human behaviors is low. So, like, the fight for trans rights will continue to progress, but things are going to fizzle out before you get to a completely ungendered society. Likewise, animal right are probably going to see a revolution against current agricultural practices, but you're never going to get to meat eating or pet keeping being taboo. Edit: Reading a bit more of the thread, I would also say this same principal means the incest taboo is never going away, you pervs.
That said, current practices around animal confinement and slaughter definitely seem like the low-hanging fruit for moral progress right now. Factory farms are hellish monuments to human sin.
I'd also say the degree to which we tolerate homelessness will probably be looked down on in the future. There will probably always be some small number of people who just refuse standard shelter because of mental unwellness or just eccentricity, but the current standard of large homeless camps and a panhandler in every street corner will be recognized as a bad look, to put it lightly.
Beyond that, there will be gradual material progress leading to things we'd think of now as just not having enough money being viewed as abusive, in the same way that saying a poor person should just live without indoor plumbing would be seen as wildly abusive now, even though it would've been the norm 100 years ago. It's not that we decided there's a universal human right to pipes running into your home so much as material wealth just reached a point where the minimum standard for civilized living got higher.
While I 100% corps will start doing downsizing as automation increases but my question with this is to what end? Eventually if things go down the path you're thinking there won't be people who can afford to buy these products built by automation, what's the point of building a PS5 with robots if nobody has a job to pay them enough to buy one?
Automation will be on a company/industry level and we'll see it happen in chunks. Fast food franchises going fully human-free in an increasing number of locations, trucking/logistics companies replacing large portions of their fleets with self-driving rigs, etc. Every one will be devastating but it won't happen all at once. Maybe it'll be piecemeal enough that there's some way to slow its progress but I'm not counting on it.
Ah, that far in the future haha.
Well, the thought isn't exactly new. Wage employment being a form of slavery has been a common criticism of capitalism since its inception. I personally don't see us moving away from capitalist structures for a long time though (even 100's of years), considering how ingrained in the system it is literally everywhere and how violently opposed people and governments are to any alternative.
Would love to be wrong though. Some sort of social system where there's a base income everyone gets in order to serve the base needs like food and living is long overdue IMO.
It will probably be regulated by necessity that automation is a slow process so that it doesn't destroy the market. The gains from an inexhaustible labor force put into some sort of make work program for those who lose out so they can still buy a PS9, participate in some way so they won't try to eat the rich
Pretty much this + probably moral debates around the justification of different levels of violence against upper classes during revolutionary periods
Also addressing education inequality and how to approach the huge cultural differences within large nations while attempting to maintain some sort of progressive cohesion across the board
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