What sequel is the worst offender of "blatant asset re-use"?

Deleted member 18021 · Sep 29, 2019

SMB2 is the cop-out answer, but it's the answer in my heart.

aiswyda said:
...Does 14 reuse a lot of 11's assets? I know the designs are similar of some of the races but from what I've seen (which, to be fair, isn't a ton of 11's content) most of 14's assets seem new

To an extent. They reused some enemy models, and updated the textures.

(Not the best comparison because the person who made it was using SweetFx, but you get the idea.)
There are Cardians in Bardam's Mettle, which is still pretty darn weird.

Squid Bunny · Sep 29, 2019

Annabel said:
Maybe Majora's Mask?

Like it's got a ton of reused assets, but the game itself even toys with it and feels very far removed from OoT so I guess this would be a positive example of it.

Think Mega Man in general has a lot of this going on.

Yeah, Majora's Mask reuse of assets is used mostly to just add to the uncanny creep factor of the game.

Chief Malik · Sep 29, 2019

Atlus the thread.

Peter Ian Staker · Sep 29, 2019

Silent Hill 3 had a lot of reused assets from 2. Even reused the same hospital level.

Silent Hill 4 also ended up reusing some assets from 3.

Zolbrod · Sep 29, 2019

EloKa said:
Zelda (LTTP>ALBW, OOT>MM)

I don't think there's a single reused asset between LTTP and ALBW...

RingoGaSuki · Sep 29, 2019

Do Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon count? Literally the same game for 90% of the playthrough, not really a sequel though.

aerozombie · Sep 29, 2019

Isn't Splatoon 2 essentially an HD remake of the first passed off as a sequel

Zips · Sep 29, 2019

Abdul Malik Ka'bah said:
Atlus the thread.

You reminded me about Atlas. This game from the ARK devs...

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Fitting for this thread given that Atlas straight up had a hidden options screen taken directly from ARK.

wbloop · Sep 29, 2019

Video Games Are Dumb said:
Call of Duty reused that spinning helicopter scene. I'm not mad about it but it happened.

That reminds me of this...

EloKa · Sep 29, 2019

aiswyda said:
...Does 14 reuse a lot of 11's assets? I know the designs are similar of some of the races but from what I've seen (which, to be fair, isn't a ton of 11's content) most of 14's assets seem new

I'd say: some

Zolbrod said:
I don't think there's a single reused asset between LTTP and ALBW...

It's not sharing the exact same assets, but still... it feels like one might count a lot of stuff "same" like the maps

Palazzo · Sep 29, 2019

Kylac said:
serious sam 3 being a weird mess of their doom 4 pitch and their failed military shooter. it's a strange abomination of a game.

I really love that the Khnum enemies are just straight up Barons of Hell, and then the Scrapjack / Mancubus thing is even more blatant.. What a brilliant game and strange choice lol.

Gamer @ Heart · Sep 29, 2019

aerozombie said:
Isn't Splatoon 2 essentially an HD remake of the first passed off as a sequel

That was some toxic drivel before launch. It's a multiplayer game with new maps, clothes, hubs and an entirely new campaign. That's like saying CoDs are copy pasted every year.

Also the first game was in HD.

Aexact · Sep 29, 2019

Eppcetera said:
Tales of Xillia 2 is my pick for the worst, among games I've played.

I do think it's a drastic departure from the first. It's edgier, features a silent protagonist and puts a stronger focus on choice, it adds character events and revisits locations in reverse due to the debt system, characters are redesigned and three more are playable. It does end up feeling different. In that regard, the experience felt less like a retread as the OP states.

I mean, I disliked a lot of the changes but it was different. It made stopping time in battle feel lame.

Spring-Loaded · Sep 29, 2019

This should only be disparaged when it's done poorly. I don't need every aspect of a game series to be built from scratch for every entry.

Kapryov · Sep 29, 2019

Doesn't the Neptunia series reuse the same dungeons, straight up, layouts and all?
I've only played the first, and only about half of it, but screenshots of the other ones look exactly the same.

L Thammy · Sep 29, 2019

chalkitdown said:
Don't think Majora's Mask can count when it's clearly done intentionally. It's supposed to have this parallel universe to Ocarina of Time thing going on.

I mean, they're all done intentionally. Stretching out the assets is a great way to get more value to the player for less cost. It's why we used to get enemies that were in a different colour but behaved differently so they could squeeze more gameplay variety in.

Hell, look at fighting games. Being able to reuse assets from one game to another is a godsend there.

Naha- · Sep 29, 2019

Tales of Xillia 2. I'm still mad about it to this day. Such a massive dissapointment (I loved the first one despite its problems).

IDreamOfHime · Sep 29, 2019

Super Mario Maker

Saikar · Sep 29, 2019

FFX-2. The difference between the old areas from FFX (detailed, well-painted maps) and the new ones for the sequel (nondescript tunnel dungeons) was extremely jarring.

pleaseinsertdisctwo · Sep 29, 2019

Eppcetera said:
Tales of Xillia 2 is my pick for the worst, among games I've played.

I already dropped the original Xillia like 10 hours in because I was tired of the same-y environments LMAOOO

Schlorgan · Sep 29, 2019

Does Arkham Origins count?

Most of the map was literally just Arkham City's map.

Cian · Sep 29, 2019

Pokémon XD was pretty disappointing in this regard. The new areas were all frontloaded and then the majority of the game takes place in the exact same areas from Pokémon Colosseum.

whoamiifnotwhoiam · Sep 29, 2019

I don't think if this can be considered a sequel per se... but if we're talking about asset re-use, i would say Pokémon Ultra Sun/Moon. I mean... at least they added new cutscenes, right???

Deleted member 35077 · Sep 29, 2019

Bit_Reactor said:
To be as objective as possible it'd be also one of my favorite sets of sequels, the .hack ps2 games. The fact that everything carried over and it was a single overall experience was awesome, but it blatantly reused the same stuff except for maybe the towns.

GU was and still is the worst, like the game is amazing to look at, but for the majority of vol 1 you will be visiting the same three generic places. You very much knew that all the attention was given to the hub areas and the Hidden Forbidden Areas, which while the later is pleasing for the eyes you only really visit a handful of times. The walking speed also makes the experience even more painful as Haseo ia slow as fuck, and the speed scrolls doesn't help at all, unlike the original quadrilogy where it turns Kite into Speedy Gonzales.

Adamska · Sep 29, 2019

Dusk Golem said:
Majora's Mask is up there, but I think they utilized the re-use pretty well.

Another that comes to mind is Resident Evil Revelations 2, but again I feel they did a pretty good job there.

I like to live in positive examples.

Not sure what assets are being re-used in Rev2, it's a whole new setting with new characters, enemies and mechanics.

Dizastah · Sep 29, 2019

As far as recent/future games go I would have to say Nioh 2.

Ryuhza · Sep 29, 2019

The recent SoulCalibur and Tekken titles have been pretty bad about reusing assets created a decade ago for customizations.

One does not simply forget a four-timer buffalo head like that

There are a lot of other items throughout these titles (and ones like Tekken 6 and Tag 2. Basically anything since last gen) I just thought it was remarkable that they used this particular buffalo head four times, even crossing over into another series entirely (Gigas has a couple of other items borrowed from SC's customization suite, oddly exclusive to him).

edit: Actually, looking at it now, they may have redone the model for Soul Calibur V, which is strange 'cause that's the only one that is the same gen as SCIV.

texhnolyze · Sep 29, 2019

Tito said:
I never understood the problem of reutilizing assets for making sequels, especially when the sequels are on the same console. Just keep releasing those games, don't need to reinvent the wheel all the time.

Indeed. It's like people view it like a crime. Please.

Bit_Reactor · Sep 29, 2019

Castile said:
GU was and still is the worst, like the game is amazing to look at, but for the majority of vol 1 you will be visiting the same three generic places. You very much knew that all the attention was given to the hub areas and the Hidden Forbidden Areas, which while the later is pleasing for the eyes you only really visit a handful of times. The walking speed also makes the experience even more painful as Haseo ia slow as fuck, and the speed scrolls doesn't help at all, unlike the original quadrilogy where it turns Kite into Speedy Gonzales.

I thought the re-release fixed that for GU? I still prefer the original quadrilogy myself, but GU fixed a lot of stuff in the ps4 release I thought. May be remembering it wrong.

Crossing Eden · Sep 29, 2019

Tito said:
I never understood the problem of reutilizing assets for making sequels, especially when the sequels are on the same console. Just keep releasing those games, don't need to reinvent the wheel all the time.

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Video game sequels are almost always iteration on what was made before.

EloKa said:
Zelda (LTTP>ALBW)

What?

Schlorgan · Sep 29, 2019

Tito said:
I never understood the problem of reutilizing assets for making sequels, especially when the sequels are on the same console. Just keep releasing those games, don't need to reinvent the wheel all the time.

When they use it well like in Dead Space 2, It's fine.

When it's like the Call of Duty one, it's less fine.

Necromorph · Sep 29, 2019

Dusk Golem said:
Majora's Mask is up there, but I think they utilized the re-use pretty well.

Another that comes to mind is Resident Evil Revelations 2, but again I feel they did a pretty good job there.

I like to live in positive examples.

I can't remember what assets RE REV2 used.

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Monster Hunter sequels, they're the same game with different name.

品川駅 · Sep 29, 2019

The Neptunia rebirth trilogy is up there

pleaseinsertdisctwo · Sep 29, 2019

Star Ocean 5. It used assets from Star Ocean 4, battle skills were pretty much reskins from Star Ocean 3, oh and re-used a lot of music from SO4. Seriously felt like the cheapest game I've ever played.

Also, Kingdom Hearts is a pretty lazy ass series IMO I was pretty tired of seeing the same shit by the time DDD rolled around

The Unsent · Sep 29, 2019

Saint Row 4 was originally a expansion pack, and the open world is just a recoloured version of Steelport with blocks to use superpowers on. It's still a really funny game.

Schlorgan · Sep 29, 2019

♡♪!? said:
Saint Row 4 was originally a expansion pack, and the open world is just a recoloured version of Steelport with blocks to use superpowers on. It's still a really funny game.

I love that game but that's 100% accurate.

battleborn27 · Sep 29, 2019

Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite

-Hideous game, looked far uglier than its prequel
-Roster with DLC was smaller than the first version of MVC3 with no DLC, despite the blatant asset reuse
-They picked the worst selection of characters to reuse assets on

Odeko · Sep 29, 2019

EloKa said:
It feels like Final Fantasy (10 and 10-2, 11 and 14) and Zelda (LTTP>ALBW, OOT>MM) are the worst "offenders" but all sequels turned out to be pretty good.

As a controversal suggestion: WC3 - Dota

LTTP > Four Swords > Four Sword Adventures is a better LTTP example. ALBW didn't reuse any assets.

bazzi · Sep 29, 2019

EloKa said:
It feels like Final Fantasy (10 and 10-2, 11 and 14) and Zelda (LTTP>ALBW, OOT>MM) are the worst "offenders" but all sequels turned out to be pretty good.

As a controversal suggestion: WC3 - Dota

dota isnt a sequel, ALBW reused none of LTTP assets (these are very confusing choices)

L Thammy · Sep 29, 2019

How long did they use Mario 64's engine?

Villein · Sep 29, 2019

Far Cry with the map?

Deleted member 35077 · Sep 29, 2019

Bit_Reactor said:
I thought the re-release fixed that for GU? I still prefer the original quadrilogy myself, but GU fixed a lot of stuff in the ps4 release I thought. May be remembering it wrong.

Haven't played it, as this is from my memories of playing GU back in 2016 on the PS2. From what I heard they only turned down the grinding needed in the game, not so much in adding more variety in the zones that you can visit. It still very much is just grasszone (with it varying by using one of three stages of day), cave dungeon, and Japanese shrine dungeon for Vol. 1.

StallionDan · Sep 29, 2019

NSMB series.

Zukkoyaki · Sep 29, 2019

Not nearly enough mentions of Yakuza. Maps, buildings, character models, animations, UI components... it's like the Japanese Madden.

Sub Boss · Sep 29, 2019

Zelda Majoras Mask?

bazzi · Sep 29, 2019

L Thammy said:
How long did they use Mario 64's engine?

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Vomiaouaf · Sep 29, 2019

Cat Quest 2

a Master Ninja · Sep 29, 2019

DOOM to DOOM II. One new weapon, a handful of new enemies and textures. Majority of the assets are reused.

^Can you tell which game this is?

DubleDuce · Sep 29, 2019

Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 comes to mind. It was basically just a slightly larger expansion pack for the first game.

Deleted member 36135 · Sep 29, 2019

Fallout 76

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