US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron

devSin · Mar 10, 2020

Drop out, Bernie. It's over.

No Depth said:
Really?? REALLY??

Probably not many rallies anymore either.

This is going to be quite the campaign. Some really rough months ahead.

aspiegamer · Mar 10, 2020

The ongoing revelation of a fair amount of the Sanders 2016 vote actually just outright being anti-Clinton is heinously depressing.

UnapologeticallyBLK said:
Free 1-Up Mushrooms for every person who is deeply ill

Use imprisoned Koopa Paratroopas to facilitate low-cost city-wide transport for everyone

Increased funding for space travel to find other galaxies

Recognizes that the rent is too damn high in New ~~York~~ Donk City and other cities, will work to create federal legislation to change zoning code regulations

Increased research into FLUDD to clean plastic from oceans

I'd vote for him.

You're forgetting dissolution of the Chain Chomps along the southern border and reducing the Bullet Bill budget.

No Depth · Mar 10, 2020

Grexeno said:
Coronavirus dude

I was making a Bernie joke reference from last debate. :)

Casa · Mar 10, 2020

Will Biden's huge strength from boomers be able to offset potentially poor youth turnout in the GE?

Greg NYC3 · Mar 10, 2020

cartoon_soldier said:

Hindsight is always 20/20 but I wish we recognized just how much middle America hates Hillary. That hatred carried Trump into the White House.

adam387 · Mar 10, 2020

Rodderick · Mar 10, 2020

No Depth said:
I was making a Bernie joke reference from last debate. :)

Oh, that was pretty good.

Slader166 · Mar 10, 2020

Pixieking · Mar 10, 2020

I was never on the "Trump is scared of Biden that's why he tweets so much about Bernie being screwed over" train, but there's no way Trump doesn't see Biden's primary numbers and realise he's almost certainly lost.

ChucklesB · Mar 10, 2020

I continue to be surprised how much Hillary was hated by the Democratic portion of the party. I knew the general election issues were obvious, but my goodness. I feel like this makes Bernie look like even worse of a 2016 candidate by proxy somehow haha.

RastaMentality · Mar 10, 2020

People hated Hillary Clinton. Damn.

adam387 · Mar 10, 2020

RastaMentality said:
People hated Hillary Clinton. Damn.

:(

AndyD · Mar 10, 2020

Greg NYC3 said:
Hindsight is always 20/20 but I wish we recognized just how much middle America hates Hillary. That hatred carried Trump into the White House.

I wonder how much of it is because of the name or sex.

devSin · Mar 10, 2020

RastaMentality said:
People hated Hillary Clinton. Damn.

Hard to think any woman would have fared much better.

And Hillary would have still been the best president out of all these clowns.

America continues to disappoint.

Rodderick · Mar 10, 2020

Pixieking said:
I was never on the "Trump is scared of Biden that's why he tweets so much about Bernie being screwed over" train, but there's no way Trump doesn't see Biden's primary numbers and realise he's almost certainly lost.

He'll escalate that rhetoric to high heavens to drive a wedge in the Dem electorate. Elizabeth Bruenig will probably become a fan overnight.

Hours Left · Mar 10, 2020

Bernie is 100% done.

Drop out now.

less · Mar 10, 2020

devSin said:
Hard to think any woman would have fared much better.

I think that without the decades of hate against her being stirred up by the GOP...another woman would have done slightly better.

sangreal · Mar 10, 2020

Slayven said:
No live audience at the DNC Debate

They should just cancel it at this point.

NinjaDBL · Mar 10, 2020

adam387 said:
:(

As a Hillary Hen as well, it's a bit of a bummer. :/

Blader · Mar 10, 2020

aspiegamer said:
The ongoing revelation of a fair amount of the Sanders 2016 vote actually just outright being anti-Clinton is heinously depressing.

Yep. Shit really sucks, in more ways than one.

Although I guess silver lining is that Biden isn't bleeding the votes that either Hillary was or Bernie is

SmokeMaxX · Mar 10, 2020

ChucklesB said:
I continue to be surprised how much Hillary was hated by the Democratic portion of the party. I knew the general election issues were obvious, but my goodness. I feel like this makes Bernie look like even worse of a 2016 candidate by proxy somehow haha.

I don't think it was that she was hated going in. It was more of that fake scandals, conspiracy theories, and negative rhetoric were really easy to stick to her because of decades of smear campaigns and the fact that she was a woman.

Rodderick · Mar 10, 2020

less said:
I think that without the decades of hate against her being stirred up by the GOP...another woman would have done slightly better.

30 years of being trashed by the right wing media machine + being responsible for her husband's mistakes + Benghazi + E-MAILS. There was a ridiculous amount of baggage on Hillary ON TOP of her being a woman.

devSin · Mar 10, 2020

less said:
I think that without the decades of hate against her being stirred up by the GOP...another woman would have done slightly better.

Ask Kamala. Or Amy. Or Warren.

aspiegamer · Mar 10, 2020

Yeah this primary is over. The fact I had to root for Joe Freaking Biden in the end kills a non-insignificant amount of me inside. Liz got done dirty.

Greg NYC3 said:
Hindsight is always 20/20 but I wish we recognized just how much middle America hates Hillary. That hatred carried Trump into the White House.

Clinton 2008 was probably the best shot at a female president for at least another generation, we can see now, which is a shame.

Blader said:
Yep. Shit really sucks, in more ways than one.

Although I guess silver lining is that Biden isn't bleeding the votes that either Hillary was or Bernie is

We won't see 'til November just how much of the dem vote was truly lost in some of the rust belt states or if it was mostly just anti-Clinton, but, yeah, it's not much of a consolation.

RastaMentality · Mar 10, 2020

devSin said:
Hard to think any woman would have fared much better.

And Hillary would have still been the best president out of all these clowns.

America continues to disappoint.

We'll have to run another woman to find out?

Greg NYC3 · Mar 10, 2020

ChucklesB said:
I continue to be surprised how much Hillary was hated by the Democratic portion of the party. I knew the general election issues were obvious, but my goodness. I feel like this makes Bernie look like even worse of a 2016 candidate by proxy somehow haha.

She ended up with something close to 12 million less votes than Obama got in 2008 (iirc). I still remember being worried when i went to vote in 2016 and was in and out in less than 10 minutes. In 2012 at the same location I waited in line for 2 hours. I thought it was just the impact of MD implementing early voting but it was clearly much more than that.

Plinko · Mar 10, 2020

Casa said:
Will Biden's huge strength from boomers be able to offset potentially poor youth turnout in the GE?

If he effectively messages the major difference between democrats and republicans during the election. Easy argument to be made for how nearly everything Republicans have done goes directly against young people.

futurevoid · Mar 10, 2020

Pixieking said:
I was never on the "Trump is scared of Biden that's why he tweets so much about Bernie being screwed over" train, but there's no way Trump doesn't see Biden's primary numbers and realise he's almost certainly lost.

He didn't get himself impeached because he thought he could easily beat Biden.

Sexy Fish · Mar 10, 2020

This is my take. It's time to unify the party.

As hard as it is, if @SenSanders genuinely believes Trump is an existential threat to the country-outside the normal confines of politics & policy- he should concede after tonight & make a full throated effort to unify the anti-Trump effort. Bc he will not be the nominee.

devSin · Mar 10, 2020

RastaMentality said:
We'll have to run another woman to find out?

Kamala will already have been VP and possibly interim president, so she'll have a stronger footing to compete than most candidates.

Foffy · Mar 10, 2020

aspiegamer said:
The ongoing revelation of a fair amount of the Sanders 2016 vote actually just outright being anti-Clinton is heinously depressing.

It kind of highlights how much this country is also, not to be alarmist, quite doomed to handle a 21st century world. If his vision of America is so boosted because of anti-Hillary, we have to wonder if there really is an America at all to save from the perils it uniquely faces when compared to the rest of the world. Perils and problems handwaved and normalized by remarks from people like Clinton and Biden.

Dahbomb · Mar 10, 2020

Man was Clinton a bad candidate. Both her and Sanders exposed by Biden.

I bet if we had a better candidate than Biden then he would be exposed as well.

Deleted member 13101 · Mar 10, 2020

Now to figure out how much of that anti-Clinton Sanders vote stayed home in the general, and is Biden demonstrating he's making up those numbers in turnout.

Deleted member 7462 · Mar 10, 2020

SmokeMaxX said:
I don't think it was that she was hated going in. It was more of that fake scandals, conspiracy theories, and negative rhetoric were really easy to stick to her because of decades of smear campaigns and the fact that she was a woman.

She did get a bit of fair criticism from the left, to be totally fair. She made some enemies among black voters with her rhetoric in the '90s.

aspiegamer · Mar 10, 2020

Sexy Fish said:
This is my take. It's time to unify the party.

Have you been acquainted with a man called Bernie Sanders from 2016? Because he was an asshole about it to the very end.

sangreal · Mar 10, 2020

SmokeMaxX said:
I don't think it was that she was hated going in. It was more of that fake scandals, conspiracy theories, and negative rhetoric were really easy to stick to her because of decades of smear campaigns and the fact that she was a woman.

She wasn't hated going in, but she was by the time the votes started

She left state with a sky-high approval rating, the GOP started up its bullshit machine beginning with Benghazi, and her approval was trash by 2015

plagiarize · Mar 10, 2020

I'd strongly suggest following 538's lead and not trying to extrapolate too much from these numbers to the general. Primaries still have a small fraction of the engagement generals do. State by state head to head polling is going to continue to be a much better data point there.

OfficerRob · Mar 10, 2020

Soul Skater · Mar 10, 2020

Imagining how different the country would be had Jerry Brown won in 92 and the Clintons never became a thing

Yoma · Mar 10, 2020

aspiegamer said:
Have you been acquainted with a man called Bernie Sanders from 2016? Because he was an asshole about it to the very end.

I like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know Trump was going to win 2016 and hence he continued running. If he made the same mistake again, I'm just going to straight lose all my respect for him.

SatelliteOfLove · Mar 10, 2020

Tamanon said:
It's a bit odd ya. Folks seem to think we are electing a king.

Those studies that people under 40 have much lower patience with either the grit 'n grind of democracy nor faith in its facets like "public servants" and "rule by the majority, respect for the minority" was done no favors by the Individual-1 administration and obstruction as legislation by GOP congresscritters.

GrapeApes said:
Catherine Rampell on Twitter

“Gaetz slept in Walmart lot after potentially exposing Trump to coronavirus https://t.co/4KBoxSjwFX”

twitter.com

Life comes at you fast. One week you making fun of a virus with a gas mask, the next week you sleeping in a Walmart parking lot.

The continual redneck connections this crowd have is alarming, but it fits with a guy from the Panhandle, I guess.

Michael Cohen reportedly gave a tech firm $12,000 and a boxing glove in a Walmart bag to try to rig polls in Trump's favor

The president's former lawyer reportedly paid a Virginia-based firm roughly $12,000 and a boxing glove previously worn by a Brazilian MMA fighter.

www.businessinsider.com

plagiarize · Mar 10, 2020

OfficerRob said:

That would still a pretty huge polling miss if Biden wins by 10 points compared to the 20+ polls were suggesting. Pollsters may have got the right winner (if things end up that way) but what the fuck is with polling there?

adam387 · Mar 10, 2020

Bernie lost women in Michigan by 18 points.
And they called Michigan. lol

Scottt · Mar 10, 2020

So is the new coalition 2016 R to 2018 D voters? Are there polls for that?

sangreal · Mar 10, 2020

aspiegamer said:
Have you been acquainted with a man called Bernie Sanders from 2016? Because he was an asshole about it to the very end.

quite literally -- he wouldn't even release his delegates at the convention

OfficerRob · Mar 10, 2020

MSNBC calls Michigan for Biden

Subtle Distinction · Mar 10, 2020

I so desperately hope we can get past this cycle without three months of Bernie's dead end grifting.

RastaMentality · Mar 10, 2020

Bright side: Hillary being so hated probably ended up pushing the party left!

adam387 · Mar 10, 2020

A 20 point swing among white voters to Biden.

OfficerRob · Mar 10, 2020

plagiarize said:
That would still a pretty huge polling miss if Biden wins by 10 points compared to the 20+ polls were suggesting. Pollsters may have got the right winner (if things end up that way) but what the fuck is with polling there?

Bernie isn't getting within 10 though (hence why he would be shocked), it will likely be over 15% and then you get into margin of error territory

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