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What a weird campaign cycle this would be though.
No events
No rallies
No conventions
It's just like baked in
Whatever happens now...is what people do?
I'm going to Greece in September so let's go people let's get over it.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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What a weird campaign cycle this would be though.
No events
No rallies
No conventions
It's just like baked in
Whatever happens now...is what people do?
I'm going to Greece in September so let's go people let's get over it.
"Susan COLLINS voted to create a $500 billion corporate slush fund while Main(e) Street died," as images of shuttered iron works and unemployed fishermen flash across the screen.
im not sure I understand. You mean just make trump happy with a Pelosi deal and they will have to vote for it? If so fine but is munching that different from talking to McConnell? Actually maybe it is.
I think the campaigns wind up flash frozen, and given that name ID is 100% baked in there's not a ton of room for either party to define the other-we have basically the equivalent of the Dem primaries, where there's tons of handwringing and bedwetting for months (on TOP of everyone's new friend General Anxiety Disorder) and when we all vote everything comes up Biden because we're in a depression and still fighting over n95 masks and PPE.
So they basically want to blame us for causing the market to tank.
Because he's been negotiating in better faith than the senate.
Man if this shit continues to election day, what will happen then? Trump may win again due to depressed voter turnout. :/
It tanks every time Trump opens his mouth so good luck with that GOP.
Unhappy voters always find a way. And as much as I hate to say this the virus is probably having a disproportionate impact on Trump voters since none of them were taking it seriously.
Well, yeah. They know shit is going to get bad, and they need to make sure they don't get the blame.
15 minutes after the market opens, so when the circuit breakers go off at the open they can go off again after we dumpster his shit sandwich a second time.
Stock market is NOT the real economy. People can endure equity losses, but the equity markets will not endure the deflation that comes from not getting a ton of money to people to spend it immediately.
It's an interesting strategy. I don't think it would work; people would be upset that business got a huge bailout and they get a single check, from what I can surmise.
Yeah. Since the NYSE is all electronic on Monday, what if the systems "crash" due to activity overload, or trading is halted due to steep drops, before then? Or other Senators "call out sick" due to self-quarantine in the almost 11 hours until then? Or Cuomo decides to give his daily briefing at 9 am?
You'd think this would be a perfect late-night run if you wanted to get away with passing something, but no it will be done at the riskiest time. Talk about playing chicken.
which is stupid because the market has been falling all week.
lmao, yes, it's going to get 60 votes now just because the stock market is open.
He... thought this was going to pass, huh?
He... thought this was going to pass, huh?
Pretty stupid when the market has been crashing almost everday anyway
McConnell is a horrible legislator and tactician whose only move is saying, "No."
When he has to be productive, he falters.
When he has to be productive, he falters.
Yeah, ACA repeal was the only other time recently where McConnell tried being proactive as a legislator and it went up in flames.
it doesn't work because their measures don't even have wide conservative backing, and don't provide the immediate massive relief that everyone is saying is necessary.
Bad bill is Bad.
Bad bill is Bad.
His sole talent is the judiciary. but even that is probably just top level RNC strategy.
Yep. As Kirblar said, the left, center, and center-right seem to be united on what needs to happen, with minor differences. McConnell's trying to pass far-right regressive Republican nonsense.
Romney going home might actually be a bad thing, he was one of the saner Republicans rn.
"You wouldn't want millions of people to die, now would you?"
I know that this is a super late response but I wanted to address it. My issue isn't that he isn't progressive enough, my issue is that he isn't a good leader. Yes, he's addressing COVID, but that doesn't default to making him a good leader. He's had two full terms already to show his leadership, and he's done nothing. Yes, in a crisis he's taking action, but to me that doesn't wipe away the last 10 years of his administration. He's dragged his feet on good legislation if he isn't spearheading it, and actively undermined his own party with a breakaway sect of Dems so that he could play everyone off eachother. Meanwhile he has increasingly neglected upstate to the point where he barely even comes to the Capital if he can avoid it. The asshole doesn't even live in the mansion and yes, I think that's pretty shitty.
Giving a shit about COVID is about the bare minimum a leader should do. If he gave a shit about the State he would pass good legislation even if it wasn't his idea.
The market has been taking for two weeks straight. What's another day if it means negotiating a better long-term solution that helps average Americans? At least I hope that's how the majority of Democrats are looking at it.
I think McConnell is trying to prey upon the Democrat's stock portfolio and donor-base with this Revote threat after the markets open. Hope it backfires.
I think McConnell is trying to prey upon the Democrat's stock portfolio and donor-base with this Revote threat after the markets open. Hope it backfires.
Nobody ever took into account the impact social distancing would have on fart-ins.
Initially, it was the Republican House that rejected the bailout. They voted it down and the market tanked. Really it was the Dems that were leading the way on the issue because, again, they want to keep the country from falling apart.
Later everyone got to hate on it for any number of reasons.
Sahil Kapur on Twitter
“One fact the COVID-19 crisis highlights is that the financial constraints on U.S. public policy are self-imposed. Congress is debating a $1.6 trillion-plus bill and nobody‘s asking “how are we gonna pay for it?” They all know the answer: borrow the cash because they can.”
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The thing is that the stock markets wouldn't even be all that happy with the GOP bill.
The markets want liquidity ( few toxic or illiquid assets) and a sign that we are willing to run giant deficits to get people to keep living and prevent some deflationary trap that prevents orderly debt monetization and consumer deleveraging.
edit: imagine a world where instead of saying how are you going to pay for that, you instead say what you would do with the money and resources instead.
The markets want liquidity ( few toxic or illiquid assets) and a sign that we are willing to run giant deficits to get people to keep living and prevent some deflationary trap that prevents orderly debt monetization and consumer deleveraging.
edit: imagine a world where instead of saying how are you going to pay for that, you instead say what you would do with the money and resources instead.
... says the man playing chicken.
It's always projection with these assholes.
Yeah I do hope the Senate Dems stay strong here if significant changes aren't made. I think the general public remembers the 2008 bailouts and I don't believe they'd go for such a weak measure towards individuals. And one that basically allows business who take these funds to fire everyone anyway. At least I'd hope not.
Sahil Kapur on Twitter
“One fact the COVID-19 crisis highlights is that the financial constraints on U.S. public policy are self-imposed. Congress is debating a $1.6 trillion-plus bill and nobody‘s asking “how are we gonna pay for it?” They all know the answer: borrow the cash because they can.”
When was the last time Republicans were fiscally responsible?
Trump's deficits in 3 years were over 10% higher than Obama's entire second term. Once you factor in their bailout packages which to be fair would be expensive for any Pres but Trump's apathy and refusal to test anyone have made this situation far far worse, his first term is probably going to be about 2.5x as expensive as Obama's second term.
I remember when he was going to eliminate all of the US' national debt in 8 years.
Probably Bush the Older.
But Reagan, W Bush, and now Trump all ballooned the deficit. Republicans have never believed in "fiscal responsibility" except as a talking point to label Democrats as tax-and-spend liberals (who give your white money to black people).
He's not a pleb like us. He'll get tested, probably more than once, over a couple days and if it's negative I don't see why he won't be able to see his wife.
Yep. He raised taxes to be fiscally responsible. Turns out republicans don't like their own dog food. Poor fuck didn't know he was one of the few true believers.
Craig Caplan @CraigCaplan
McConnell and Schumer now both on Senate floor speaking on Phase 3 talks.
McConnell asked consent for Senate to return tomorrow at 9am so Senate can hold revote at 9:45am. Schumer objects:"We don't need artificial deadlines. We will get this done. We will come in at Noon and hopefully we will have an agreement by then."
McConnell responds:"The result of what the Democratic Ldr just did was to prevent us from voting right after markets open in the morning & allow markets to be rattled until Noon,further evidence of reckless behavior we've witnessed on Democratic side in Senate over the last hrs."
11:48 PM - Mar 22, 2020
McConnell and Schumer now both on Senate floor speaking on Phase 3 talks.
McConnell asked consent for Senate to return tomorrow at 9am so Senate can hold revote at 9:45am. Schumer objects:"We don't need artificial deadlines. We will get this done. We will come in at Noon and hopefully we will have an agreement by then."
McConnell responds:"The result of what the Democratic Ldr just did was to prevent us from voting right after markets open in the morning & allow markets to be rattled until Noon,further evidence of reckless behavior we've witnessed on Democratic side in Senate over the last hrs."
11:48 PM - Mar 22, 2020
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Craig Caplan @CraigCaplanSenate returns tomorrow at Noon with no agreement on Phase 3 coronavirus economic relief bill reached but talks continue. Revote could be still held tomorrow to advance the bill. First one failed tonight 47-47.
11:50 PM - Mar 22, 2020
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