That worked for Hitler but the big difference is that trump is way too incompetent. But yeah it remains to be seen what affect this will have, no way to predict either way.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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Its not like we have anything else to be worried about right now.
I'll be patient and wait for poll numbers on this.
God, the NYT front page article (of today's paper, not the website) is infuriating. Just 100% uncritically repeating the administration's lies about what they're doing to fight the virus.
Isn't that basically what is happening now? The republican party, for the most part, IS that mindset. We see the ~35-40% that sticks with Trump regardless because of it. Thankfully, more people in this country are against it.
It's not that Trump will. But if we hit a true depression and he decides to, the risk of him running roughshod over the GOP is extremely real. I have zero confidence in the GOP's internal guardrails. So then it comes down to Pelosi maintaining control of her members. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't question that. But in the context of a depression? I could see a discharge petition for some sort of racist social safety net bill passing the House over Pelosi's objection and being extremely popular with the public. A few months from now we will likely have an extremely angry public, and a desperate, amoral demagogue with a bully pulpit. These are uncharted waters here. We cannot assume Trump will behave like Herbert Hoover for the next 7 months.
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Yeah, polling's been (understandably) somewhat sparse lately, but here's what we've had for March so far (per RCP):
National
Biden 52-41 (Quinnipiac, 3/5-3/8)
Biden 53-43 (CNN, 3/4-3/7)
Biden 47-43 (YouGov/Economist, 3/8-3/10)
Biden 52-43 (NBC News/Wall Street Journal, 3/11-3/13)
Wisconsin
Biden 44-42 (Yahoo/YouGov, 3/6-3/8)
Biden 48-45 (PPP, 3/10-3/11)
Florida
Trump 51-49 (Florida Atlantic University, 3/5-3/7)
Trump 48-45 (Univision, 3/6-3/12)
Michigan
Biden 48-41 (Monmouth, 3/5-3/8)
Biden 45-41 (YouGov, 3/6-3/8)
Pennsylvania
Biden 46-40 (YouGov, 3/6-3/8)
Arizona
Biden 48-47 (PPP, 3/2-3/3)
Biden 49-43 (Predictive Insights, 3/3-3/4)
Biden 50-42 (Univision, 3/6-3/11)
Biden 46-43 (Monmouth, 3/11-3/14)
Biden 47-46 (NBC/Marist, 3/10-3/15)
I was thinking general approval or handling of emergency approval, and honestly, the numbers that matter are like at least a month away when everything has sunk in. IMO
No president has survived a recession that landed under their watch, I find it hard to believe that most Americans should trust an idiot like him if he's responsible for erasing all the gains made with his stupid trade war shit on top of bungling the pandemic response. I cannot fathom to think Trump can pull it off given how much he ends up bungling every single promise he makes like a snake oil salesman. (the afgan peace deal comes to mind)
Not too many rocks, decent amount of soil, maybe a few grains of sand for good measure?
I am not saying I would bet on him being re-elected; I would definitely bet that Biden will win this fall. All I'm saying is that the chances of Trump choosing apartheid welfare go up the worse GDP and unemployment get and the worse his polls get, and that our party is not prepared to push back against it, and our media not well-equipped to scrutinize it.
Alright, I can see where you're coming from then. I agree it's a scary precedent to think about.
Multiple people at work that don't follow politics at all are straight up expecting a thousand dollar check on April 6th. The media has completely failed with how they're reporting on this and people are going to be absolutely pissed.
Made more obvious by the fact that he never called it that before a couple of days ago, then suddenly refused to call it anything else. A very blatant rebranding attempt.
But that would help counter the Trump is saving us narrative lol
That's what I was afraid of, but this one's on the Trump admin. They shouldn't have announced anything on this without at least already having negotiated for the votes in the Senate, they still haven't learned how legislation works.
That would be totally out of character for the admin. They are fully ready, shoot, aim for the last 3.5 years. Even every part of this response. Only an idiot would think WV was doing something to not have cases and try to prop it up as a beacon. But here we are, yet again
It's been a long time in the making that eventually we're going to see the scariest iteration of politics - right-wing populism mixed with nativism. I don't think Trump and ilk can pull it off; they're too incompetent and this happened too suddenly.
But in 10, 20, 30 years as climate refugees start flooding into Europe and the US? You're going to see it then.
Some in the top left 1/16th of this diagram are going to be very excited by the prospect of Trump going full Bannon.
My partners family are the exact same. We were on Facetime with them yesterday and they were HYPED about getting their Trump-bucks in like two weeks.
Honestly a bit surprised by that Gabbard endorsement. I guess being a complete nonentity in the primary took its toll.
Well, glad to be wrong, I'll take that L for the good of the country.
(not that anyone cares about Tulsi's endorsement lololol)
(not that anyone cares about Tulsi's endorsement lololol)
I really think that he's just an idiot racist. He would have started this sooner if it were completely on him. This is definitely miller's work, he is Goebbels after all.
If I were to be cynical for a moment, her best play for relevance was running as a spoiler candidate in a close Trump/Biden contest and handing the race to Trump, making herself a hero to the Right. But if Biden ends up running away with it, nothing she does will matter. She'd burn her bridges with the Democratic Party for good without being rewarded by the GOP.
The contraction numbers in the US are kind of irrelevant until they can get enough tests to states to actually not have a shortage. NY tested 8000 people yesterday, hence the spike. That's not going to change until we can test consistently everywhere. Hospital capacity is more relevant until testing is accessible
There are very likely 75k infections already if not more. Given how poorly testing is and has been, I don't know that looking at the constantly climbing number of reported infections is neccessarily reflective of the contagion spread.
No clue--just said Trump and Mnuchin. My guess is he can strong arm them.
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