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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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when 80% of the field is one flavor and you are the other, when they all decide to team up just to stop you it definitely feels like it's coordinated ideal suppression.
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I think Trump had an easier time of it thanks to GOP rules, but yes, Bernie would have won with a plurality only if everyone else had tried to stay in the race (even though none of them had a path to a plurality, much less a majority).
Absolutely, a lot of it is on Sanders and his campaign of grievance. But the "progressives" made their choice in him, so they get to deal with his ceiling.
Warren possibly could have won a primary if she hadn't dared to try driving in Sanders' lane. She also would have made the best president out of any of the candidates this year (and I say that as somebody who doesn't really like her and thinks some of her plans and positions are half-baked or downright farcical), and probably could have attempted real progressive reforms. But there was just no chance at all for her with Sanders still hogging that side of the road.
Truly left? Lol the man who put Japanses people in camps and was not great with civil rights?
Also do you realize that if everything that the idiot moderates are proposing was passed it would still be the biggest government expansion since FDR
When you decide the 80% are the enemy, and you are surprised they dont come flocking to support you, not just attacking the candidates, but telling their voters they are also the enemy.
This DNC shit is so dumb. Dems are subservient to their voters. And most voters are dumb and don't value the things I do and I hate them! Convince the electorate if you want to win, or alternatively get lucky and take over the party that way! Meanwhile put a bunch of progressives in at the ground floor so that when the party catches up to you, you can take advantage!
Biden is gonna win Texas too?
Fuck
This is pretty much over then huh? I haven't been following the news this entire night bc of work but I was able to see some of the results and it looked like Biden absolutely clobbered Bernie in the states he won while Bernie had a smaller lead in the states he won. And Maine and Texas being too close to call is not a good sign for him either (especially if Texas goes to Biden).
Ugh, looks like my prediction from a fucking year ago (Biden wins the nomination due to Bernie being flaccid in the South again) came true. This past month did plenty to try and subvert that expectation but in the end it happens anyway.
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This is pretty much over then huh? I haven't been following the news this entire night bc of work but I was able to see some of the results and it looked like Biden absolutely clobbered Bernie in the states he won while Bernie had a smaller lead in the states he won. And Maine and Texas being too close to call is not a good sign for him either (especially if Texas goes to Biden).
Ugh, looks like my prediction from a fucking year ago (Biden wins the nomination due to Bernie being flaccid in the South again) came true. This past month did plenty to try and subvert that expectation but in the end it happens anyway.
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below pete?
This is everything I both wanted and needed.
The Super-est of Tuesdays.
Good lord. If 80% of the VOTERS want one person, the 20% candidate has to change messaging/do something different.
Maybe some of the Bernie fans can go to the same school as Pete to learn about how to approach racial issues and policies.
We are both uninformed rubes and establishment-loving sekrit conservatives at the same time.
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everyone before 1978 was shit in some way. What do you want here?
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FDR had to ignore PoC to get that progressive policy.
So you know... probably not the best example.
Yeah I've been saying this for a long time, too. If you shit on the party you're trying to become the nominee of, you shouldn't be shocked if absolutely none of those members want to support you after their top choices are out. Regular voters won't understand your anger and be turned off, and party leadership sure as hell won't want to work with you.
That, and, maybe it's called the establishment because people like it? Right now "establishment" dems mean Obama administration policies + the house that impeached Trump.
You do know the major stipulation and promise from FDR so the New Deal could be passed was that it did not include Black people right?
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Are you here just to shit on Warren?below pete?
This is everything I both wanted and needed.
The Super-est of Tuesdays.
Cause that is literally all you post in here.
A party can always nominate who it wants by having 5 of the same people enter the race, and then once it comes down the to end have 4 of them drop out and endorse the other. That isn't democracy. That's just feeding you a candidate and you having to take it.
The Illuminati, but we hold our meetings at Chuck E. Cheese.
I wasn't aware this thread operated on the Fairness Doctrine.
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...amazing, its not democracy unless the voters vote for your candidate. Especially when your lock failed because they only flocked to Biden AFTER he proved he could win by winning SC.
I think you need to step away from the computer.
80% of the field. Not the voters. Amy, Pete, Biden, Bloomberg (to an extent), etc - vs Bernie/Warren. If you spread the votes out enough with different personalities and then all group up, it's impossible to stop.
Yeah tbh that's a hiccup I have with him. Will maybe vote for him...but I'm not up for people who sink for Russian conspiracies.
Also the op thread is complaining about how the moderates condensed around their Biden. Hello? Wut? So if it turned down to Biden vs Bernie way earlier the result wouldn't be the same? The only reason momentum built was cause the field was divided.
And the hopelessness around progressivism....Lord...everything says the window is shifting. Bernie may have lost but his policies are gaining public hearing and recognition. Progressive groups are flourishing and steadily working their way locally and even state wise.
You think Republicans got to power for so long, they built themselves up as well. So will Progressives.
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It's an odd thing to do.
Like what did she ever do to you sorta way.
As a USF alumni, your avatar is a personal attack on me.
Or a majority of the voters don't want what Bernie/Warren are selling. It's not some grand conspiracy.
If Bernie's message wasn't good enough to attract enough voters to win, then his message ain't it, and his candidacy ain't it, either.
The crying about moderates moving out of the way for Biden so that Bernie couldn't skate by on his anemic coalition that might very well have straight up lost the election in November is just wild to me.
I voted for Warren in my primary. I wanted her to win. She won't. I'm not here crying about a secret moderate conspiracy, though.
I think it's harder for an outsider in the Dem primary rules aside that Dem voter base over all still somewhat likes the leadership
not a single thing any republican leadership said mattered to gop voters at all. All of their warnings fell on deaf ears because the gop base hated them all. There was no one like Clyburn who could weigh in and sway things in the way they did.
not a single thing any republican leadership said mattered to gop voters at all. All of their warnings fell on deaf ears because the gop base hated them all. There was no one like Clyburn who could weigh in and sway things in the way they did.
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I mean it's like watching someone slam their fist into the same stop sign every day for months on end.
What did that sign do to you bro?
There'a no comparable (living) figure to Obama in the GOP either. It's just an asset for Biden that was immutable.
I mean, all night we've kind of been skirting around it. Even prior to the snake emojis, it was 'Warren should have dropped out Saturday,' or 'Why is Warren even here' or 'Warren losing to Pete lmao'.
People aren't subtle about it, even when they think they are, because they aren't clever enough to be.
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