US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.

Crocodile · Mar 3, 2020

Dahbomb said:
Biden is projected to be leading by 50 delegates. That's not as much of a margin as one would expect given the blow out nature of the results.

Live Forecast: Who Will Win Super Tuesday? (Published 2020)

The Times plans to publish estimates around 7 p.m., Eastern.

www.nytimes.com

That margin can be overcome. However, there are many caveats to this:

*Bernie undeniably got a lot of early votes when the momentum was up in the air and he lost a ton of late voters to Biden once the momentum switched.

*Biden has been showered with positive news media all day long which will continue into next week.. Sanders the opposite.

*The demographics seem fairly locked in, with AA voters breaking for Biden as well as older voters. He even enjoys superior gender balance. Young voters didn't show up for Bernie and they arent going to be showing up for future states.

*Bloomberg dropping out favors Biden more than Warren dropping out favors Warren.

*Endorsements are going to start rolling in for Biden now that he has shown his electability and it's going to snowball.

*The future states are more friendly to Biden ESPECIALLY in light of today's results.

I think Sanders should stay in and show just how many delegates he can accrue going into the convention. Maybe get a sweeter deal with Biden since they still like each other. A 35-40% section of the Democratic party shouldn't be ignored.

Warren.... should have dropped out 3 days ago. Bloomberg should never have entered the race.

Obama was ahead of Clinton by 13 delegates after Super Tuesday in 2008 (which didn't include California at the time). If Biden really does end up 50 delegates after tonight, that will actually be hard to make up. Sanders has some good states coming up but so does Biden.

Teggy · Mar 3, 2020

-Le Monde- said:
Why would you do this? Just put another thing to worry about until the GE. 😰

he wiped his nose at one point and I was like "fuck!"

PixelatedDonut · Mar 3, 2020

Pixieking said:
Jesus Christ.

The hyperbole about Biden's mental capacity is appalling, from what is supposedly a progressive (games) forum. I honestly hope the people who say this kind of thing (and the "Biden is senile" shit) end-up having kids and overhear them saying these kinds of things when they're in their 70s. "Dad can't put together a competent setence. He must be senile!".

Have some fucking empathy, and some realisation that mental facilities lower as you get older, and that that can be worse in some than others (ie. your 90 year old gramps who's as sharp as he was 50 years ago is not representative).

Edit: Maybe the fact that I'm on the older end of this forum is why I pick up on this? Urgh. I dunno.

It's because people still remember this guy:

Meauxse · Mar 3, 2020

Y2Kev said:
The only thing I can think of is Leo McGarry dying on election night during the 2006 presidential campaign. And he was only a vp.

I did cackle. Always thought it was McGarrity

fragamemnon · Mar 3, 2020

Crocodile said:
Isn't Cuellar the exact type of Democrat one wants to primary (really conservative voting record it a safe/mostly safe Blue seat)? If not him then who? Nobody?

Not when you don't control redistricting and are replacing a Dem in a pretty swingy seat (D+9) with a far left(as opposed to just progressive, which would be OK) replacement.

danm999 · Mar 3, 2020

Teggy said:
he wiped his nose at one point and I was like "fuck!"

Everybody running for President already has coronavirus.

Slackerish · Mar 3, 2020

cartoon_soldier said:
I don't believe Biden gets SS protection?

He got 6 months after leaving office as vp, could request more, but believe that requires Trump signature. Obama ok it for Dick.

Usually, if the crowd size becomes an "issue" at campaign events, he would request SS protection, but like above requires Trump's ok. Bush did it for Obama in 08 and Obama did this in '16 for Bernie and Trump.

After getting the nomination, he'll automatically get protection until the day after election if he loses, like McCain/etc; or forever keep it if he wins. Hillary always had protection since she was first lady.

ChucklesB · Mar 3, 2020

Templeusox said:
Sad about Jessica Cisneros tbh.

Yeah I get Pelosi's concept but thought she picked wrong still because it's a safe seat. Safe seats are the ones I'm fine with AOC and her group targeting because it's a logical way to speed up the leftward movement as you try to bring other people in on the fringes first as moderates and then inching them more liberal.

devSin · Mar 3, 2020

metalslimer said:
This race is still close so while I think Bernie blew his chance tonight he is going to want to run this to the convention again. Maybe Joe can give him some concessions up front so he would drop earlier

Bernie could get a single delegate and he would still drag it all the way to the convention.

There's nothing you could give him that would get him to stand down. It would just make him scream all the louder.

Y2Kev said:
The only thing I can think of is Leo McGarry dying on election night during the 2006 presidential campaign. And he was only a vp.

At least we've got tons of good candidates for the VP slot. They're basically interchangeable at this point.

DinosaurusRex · Mar 3, 2020

Y2Kev said:
BE AFRAID SUE

Be concerned. Be very concerned.

Teggy · Mar 3, 2020

danm999 said:
Everybody running for President already has coronavirus.

welp, now we just wait to see who is still standing

-Le Monde- · Mar 3, 2020

Teggy said:
he wiped his nose at one point and I was like "fuck!"

Won't lie. I want someone to whisk him away from the crowd. 😋

cameron · Mar 3, 2020

Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews

BLOOMBERG REASSESSING? NEW - Read and RT this.

From a source familiar:
- Bloomberg, team will reassess the delegate math based on what happens tonight (+ it's young).
- THIS. If it's clear Biden has a path to majority of delegates, Bloomberg will consider supporting.
And...

From source familiar:

- If it's not clear Biden can get majority of delegates, Bloomberg wants to stay in
- Bc they think he helps take votes from Sanders AND
- If it's a brokered convention, Bloomberg stays in to fight, influence there.

10:34 PM - Mar 3, 2020

Steel · Mar 3, 2020

danm999 said:
Everybody running for President already has coronavirus.

By the end of the convention, all of the currently running 70+ year old candidates will be dead and Gabbard will become the nominee since she's too young to be at high risk.

RastaMentality · Mar 3, 2020

cameron said:
Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews

BLOOMBERG REASSESSING? NEW - Read and RT this.

From a source familiar:
- Bloomberg, team will reassess the delegate math based on what happens tonight (+ it's young).
- THIS. If it's clear Biden has a path to majority of delegates, Bloomberg will consider supporting.
And...

From source familiar:

- If it's not clear Biden can get majority of delegates, Bloomberg wants to stay in
- Bc they think he helps take votes from Sanders AND
- If it's a brokered convention, Bloomberg stays in to fight, influence there.

10:34 PM - Mar 3, 2020

what will his influence be? making sure no one raises taxes on the rich? lmao

cartoon_soldier · Mar 3, 2020

ChucklesB said:
Yeah I get Pelosi's concept but thought she picked wrong still because it's a safe seat. Safe seats are the ones I'm fine with AOC and her group targeting because it's a logical way to speed up the leftward movement as you try to bring other people in on the fringes first as moderates and then inching them more liberal.

No seat is safe in a state where GOP is going to draw the districts in 2020

ChucklesB · Mar 3, 2020

plagiarize said:
I live on Cape Cod. We are, basically, ice cream central (hard ice cream dominant, naturally). Here in MA, we buy milk from cows outside the state, cause our dairy cows have to provide the cream we need for ice cream. We buy our ice cream from local ice cream places. Practically no one sells anything vegan.

Feels weird to have more vegan options in FL but good to know!

Iolo · Mar 3, 2020

Bloomberg isn't doing much influencing at the convention with 20 delegates. And neither is Liz.

Y2Kev · Mar 3, 2020

Mini mike it's obvious Biden can get the delegates if you drop out now.
Plus Bernard is already on record saying whoever has most delegates should be the nominee.

cartoon_soldier · Mar 3, 2020

Y2Kev said:
Mini mike it's obvious Biden can get the delegates if you drop out now.
Plus Bernard is already on record saying whoever has most delegates should be the nominee.

Bernard will change tone if he isn't that leader

metalslimer · Mar 3, 2020

Lol Bloomberg the only reason biden isnt on track already is because of you.

plagiarize · Mar 3, 2020

Dahbomb said:
Biden is projected to be leading by 50 delegates. That's not as much of a margin as one would expect given the blow out nature of the results.

Live Forecast: Who Will Win Super Tuesday? (Published 2020)

The Times plans to publish estimates around 7 p.m., Eastern.

www.nytimes.com

That margin can be overcome. However, there are many caveats to this:

*Bernie undeniably got a lot of early votes when the momentum was up in the air and he lost a ton of late voters to Biden once the momentum switched.

*Biden has been showered with positive news media all day long which will continue into next week.. Sanders the opposite.

*The demographics seem fairly locked in, with AA voters breaking for Biden as well as older voters. He even enjoys superior gender balance. Young voters didn't show up for Bernie and they arent going to be showing up for future states.

*Bloomberg dropping out favors Biden more than Warren dropping out favors Warren.

*Endorsements are going to start rolling in for Biden now that he has shown his electability and it's going to snowball.

*The future states are more friendly to Biden ESPECIALLY in light of today's results.

I think Sanders should stay in and show just how many delegates he can accrue going into the convention. Maybe get a sweeter deal with Biden since they still like each other. A 35-40% section of the Democratic party shouldn't be ignored.

Warren.... should have dropped out 3 days ago. Bloomberg should never have entered the race.

Bernie was expected to pick up more delegates today as recently as yesterday.

Stuff absolutely can move around. It doesn't happen randomly though.

But now Bernie needs to do something to dig himself out of a hole.

If you take out Warren and Bloomberg before today, I don't think things look much different.

MizerMan · Mar 3, 2020

cameron said:
Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews

BLOOMBERG REASSESSING? NEW - Read and RT this.

From a source familiar:
- Bloomberg, team will reassess the delegate math based on what happens tonight (+ it's young).
- THIS. If it's clear Biden has a path to majority of delegates, Bloomberg will consider supporting.
And...

From source familiar:

- If it's not clear Biden can get majority of delegates, Bloomberg wants to stay in
- Bc they think he helps take votes from Sanders AND
- If it's a brokered convention, Bloomberg stays in to fight, influence there.

10:34 PM - Mar 3, 2020

Boi, you ain't influencing anything with your weak power level.

danm999 · Mar 3, 2020

If Biden doesn't have the delegates Bloomberg's like 40 delegates by then won't mean anything, Biden will need them from Bernie.

Not much of a plan Mike.

Deleted member 13101 · Mar 3, 2020

plagiarize said:
I live on Cape Cod. We are, basically, ice cream central (hard ice cream dominant, naturally). Here in MA, we buy milk from cows outside the state, cause our dairy cows have to provide the cream we need for ice cream. We buy our ice cream from local ice cream places. Practically no one sells anything vegan.

This is so so off topic, and I don't know where they get their ice cream from, but I have yet to find a chocolate peanut butter swirl as good as the one served at the Brewster Scoop.

CrabDust · Mar 3, 2020

Does Bloombito really think he's taking votes from Bernie? He's not really in that lane...Thought the whole point of his candidacy was bc he thought Biden couldn't pull it together.

Yoma · Mar 3, 2020

Not sure what Mike wants at this point.

hurlex · Mar 3, 2020

RastaMentality said:
wow all around shit night for leftists

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what did this say? tweet is unavailable for me

cameron · Mar 3, 2020

Alex Clearfield @AlexClearfield

Story of the night continues in Massachusetts. Sanders simply isn't hitting his marks in rural areas, in this case the Berkshires. Biden is up by nine points with half of Berkshire County, which is overwhelmingly Democratic, reporting.

Biden also running up the score in the Irish-Catholic towns south of Boston. Warren in real danger of not being viable in #MA08 and #MA09.

10:44 PM - Mar 3, 2020

Meauxse · Mar 3, 2020

Bloomberg the only non blue color on the cnn map.

CNN giving that shade with purple, a mix of red and blue.

Teggy · Mar 3, 2020

Bloomberg dropped below 15 in NC

devSin · Mar 3, 2020

If Bloomberg had dropped and backed Joe, this would be over. Not tomorrow. Not next month.

Today.

If he stays in this shit, he's staying in it for himself. Arrogant prick.

RastaMentality · Mar 3, 2020

hurlex said:
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what did this say? tweet is unavailable for me

Cuellar might not be favored to win after all

less · Mar 3, 2020

Bloomberg staying in because he doesn't want Trump insulting him for dropping out.

ChucklesB · Mar 3, 2020

cartoon_soldier said:
No seat is safe in a state where GOP is going to draw the districts in 2020

That's fair

Deleted member 14459 · Mar 3, 2020

cameron said:
Alex Clearfield @AlexClearfield

Story of the night continues in Massachusetts. Sanders simply isn't hitting his marks in rural areas, in this case the Berkshires. Biden is up by nine points with half of Berkshire County, which is overwhelmingly Democratic, reporting.

Biden also running up the score in the Irish-Catholic towns south of Boston. Warren in real danger of not being viable in #MA08 and #MA09.

10:44 PM - Mar 3, 2020

not a good look for liz. she should drop immediately.

plagiarize · Mar 3, 2020

Wonderment said:
This is so so off topic, and I don't know where they get their ice cream from, but I have yet to find a chocolate peanut butter swirl as good as the one served at the Brewster Scoop.

When you're next passing through the upper cape, stop by the Polar Cave.

Y2Kev · Mar 3, 2020

Guess the whole winner of the first three primaries rule just got combo breaker'd

Autodidact · Mar 3, 2020

Cohn sees a lot of upside for Biden in TX.

cartoon_soldier · Mar 3, 2020

cameron · Mar 3, 2020

Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller

WASHINGTON (AP) — Joe Biden wins Democratic presidential primary in Massachusetts, upsetting Elizabeth Warren in her home state.

10:49 PM - Mar 3, 2020

Edit: Posted above.

metalslimer · Mar 3, 2020

Bloomberg should drop out and then Liz too.

Chitown B · Mar 3, 2020

metalslimer said:
Bloomberg should drop out and then Liz too.

I'm really mad about Liz not dropping out on Saturday. If she had Bernie would've gotten at least 60% of those votes.

GoldenEye 007 · Mar 3, 2020

Yeah Warren has to drop out. Can't lose your home state and likely come in 3rd and try to think you have any ability to significantly influence policy at the DNC.

adam387 · Mar 3, 2020

RastaMentality · Mar 3, 2020

Feels like Warren ended her campaign exactly where it started with the DNA debacle. Sad.

Teggy · Mar 3, 2020

Mulberry · Mar 3, 2020

plagiarize said:
I live on Cape Cod. We are, basically, ice cream central (hard ice cream dominant, naturally). Here in MA, we buy milk from cows outside the state, cause our dairy cows have to provide the cream we need for ice cream. We buy our ice cream from local ice cream places. Practically no one sells anything vegan.

Cape Cod sounds rad. I'll add it to my list to visit sometime.

Autodidact · Mar 3, 2020

Let's see. Bloomberg no longer viable in NC, giving Biden more delegates; Sanders potentially falling below 15% in AL, giving Biden all the delegates; TX being a draw at best for Sanders.

MS, FL, and GA on the horizon for Biden, plus several states that should now be much friendlier to him (MO, OH).

konka · Mar 3, 2020

metalslimer said:
Bloomberg should drop out and then Liz too.

Everyone but Biden should drop out.

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