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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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It'll be considered to be pretty good for Bernie not only be viable and lose by single digits
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“South Carolina Democratic Primary Topline Results: Biden - 34 Sanders - 25 Steyer - 13 Buttigieg - 13 Warren - 7 Klobuchar - 5 2/23-2/27 - 1416 Likely Voters - Text to Web https://t.co/qRXkc7U82U”twitter.com
Not bad. If there is wiggle room to get closer, it will be a decent narrative heading into ST.
Depends. Is Steyer mainly drawing from Biden or everyone else?
What is lying though? Warren believed that she had a larger degree of native american than she really had yes. But even if her belief had been accurate, do you think she should have been self identifying that way and filling out forms saying that she was of that group when her entire life was spent as a white woman with no tribal associations?
Boss. Nobody is being dismissive.
The Cherokee nation officially made this statement.
Prior to yesterday, your letter that you hinge this argument on didn't exist. What was your argument yesterday?
But that's the difference here -- she did a bad thing she shouldn't have done. I don't disagree with that. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. But did she, at the time, believe that she had more Native American ancestry than she had? Most likely yes. Does that make what she did better? No. But does it make it "lying"? Probably not, being lying would imply malicious intent. Lying would be knowing that she actually wasn't Native American and still claiming to be.
Just saw an ad for Mike Bloomberg during an NBA game and it looks like Tim Duncan endorsed him? I'm kind of flabbergasted.
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“South Carolina Democratic Primary Topline Results: Biden - 34 Sanders - 25 Steyer - 13 Buttigieg - 13 Warren - 7 Klobuchar - 5 2/23-2/27 - 1416 Likely Voters - Text to Web https://t.co/qRXkc7U82U”
If I were Sanders I'd be pretty happy with that result. A number of other polls have him around or under the threshold. Not to mention he'd much rather Biden's margin be single digits instead of like 15-20.
Bernie is going to net hundreds of delegates on Super Tuesday while not getting completely shut out in SC. We'll probably have a very clear answer by next Wednesday.
Did she say she was Native American for decades? Yes
Is she Native American? No
Did she cause harm to Native Americans who still don't feel like she's gone far enough? Yes
You can argue intent and in the end nobody knows other than Warren herself if she thought she was Native American or not, but like I said I refute this idea that nobody has a clue that your DNA doesn't make you Native American, and if you're in a position of importance like a US Senator, you should probably wonder about whether you've been told, and are telling the truth about your heritage. Whether it was her intent to lie or not is irrelevant because it was negligence and she hurt a lot of people because of that negligence.
From what perspective, delegate margin vs Biden? Raw delegate count for Bernie? Different questions yield different results.
it's really a tough call. for one, sanders needs every delegate he can to try and either reach 50% or as close as possible. but on the other hand, he needs biden to be as far behind him as possible. that's if -- and it's a big if -- sanders even has a chance if he doesn't get 50% delegates.
in this case, it'd probably be to biden's benefit if buttigieg made the threshold, to sanders' benefit if steyer made the threshold.
My stance would be that she wasn't really lying about it so much as misrepresenting. But it still makes her look like someone exploiting her privilege and being incredibly naive about the entire situation. Someone with her intelligence and knowledge should have known better.
Intent does matter if you -- and I mean you, specially because you've used that word -- want to you use the word lying because that word literally implies intent.
I am holding out hope for Warren despite the fact that there's probably less than a 1% chance of her being the nominee.
But I'm reluctantly coming to the realization it's gonna be Bernie vs Biden. Probably.
I agree that she misrepresented. I do not think you can use the word "lying" given what we know, which is why I was annoyed to begin with.
Data for Progress on Twitter
“South Carolina Democratic Primary Topline Results: Biden - 34 Sanders - 25 Steyer - 13 Buttigieg - 13 Warren - 7 Klobuchar - 5 2/23-2/27 - 1416 Likely Voters - Text to Web https://t.co/qRXkc7U82U”
This is not a bad result for Bernie. If he could perform just a bit better and bring the gap closer to 5 points I'd consider that a great result for one of the most conservative black states in the country.
Edit: meant to say this is not a bad result
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And if Bernie had won SC, this thing would be over on Saturday.
If Steyer gets to 15% it will cut Biden's delegate lead over Sanders by roughly around 25% (with those poll numbers ) vs if Steyer wasn't viable
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If hurting people unintentionally due to naively repeating something you've heard and have no reason to disbelieve is disqualifying then Bernie is disqualified as well along with everyone in the field.
I'd take boring over Bloomberg in a heartbeat, personally speaking.
He has no money and no infrastructure set up for Super Tuesday (where multiple states already have early voting). Biden could be the only viable candidate in SC and it probably wouldn't change too much
primary demographics results ≠ GE results with those demographics.
I don't think they Bernie will have an insurmountable lead after super Tuesday, but I guess we'll see.
Native Americans have had genocide committed to them, stripped of their rights, and made irrelevant. A United States Senator shouldn't have been this negligent when it comes to Native American heritage, people who were mass murdered and robbed of the land they naturally inhabited by colonizers, and even today are put on reservations while we completely forget their existence for the large part.
And now we have people on this forum who think it was an innocent mistake that a United States Senator, who identified as a PoC, never seemed to think critically about whether she actually is Native American or not, and think it was an innocent mistake that she released a DNA test trying to prove her status as a Native American, and harmed many Native Americans, over 200 who still feel betrayed.
I don't think it's an innocent mistake, she had decades to clear up the story, and instead of actually talking to Native Americans about it she released a DNA test. This was not some small mistake, this was severe negligence towards a community who historically have been ignored, stepped on, and been treated as sub-human for hundreds of years.
Warren is 70 years old, she's a United States Senator, she had a long time and every opportunity to prevent the harm she caused.
And now we have people on this forum who think it was an innocent mistake that a United States Senator, who identified as a PoC, never seemed to think critically about whether she actually is Native American or not, and think it was an innocent mistake that she released a DNA test trying to prove her status as a Native American, and harmed many Native Americans, over 200 who still feel betrayed.
I don't think it's an innocent mistake, she had decades to clear up the story, and instead of actually talking to Native Americans about it she released a DNA test. This was not some small mistake, this was severe negligence towards a community who historically have been ignored, stepped on, and been treated as sub-human for hundreds of years.
Warren is 70 years old, she's a United States Senator, she had a long time and every opportunity to prevent the harm she caused.
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Should Warren drop out before I get to vote, I'm either going to sit out the rest of the primary or write in.
Trust me, I'd take garden shear over Bloomberg any day of the week. Bernie vs Biden is just yawn-worthy on my end.
This ENTIRE conversation started because you called her a liar on this subject. So yeah it kind of does matter. Similar to how in a civil or criminal court, intent (or lack thereof) has a HUGE influence on the nature of the charges and whether or not someone is to be found guilty. That she did a bad thing is not in dispute but it matters, and it matters a lot, if she did it maliciously. That has yet to be proven.
The problem is you're not actually arguing with anyone's point, you're arguing with the point you want to be arguing with.
We won't know until Saturday. What he really needs is a win margin of 15 percent or more to really open the money spigots. A single digit win may not net the tens of millions of dollars he's going to need for Super Tuesday and beyond.
Yeah, nobody has brought it up other than the over 200 Native Americans who just wrote a letter saying they're still hurt.
Yeah Bloomberg is a millstone around the neck for Biden. He has the potential to pull him level with or below Sanders in a swathe of states that Biden needs to run up the delegate count in.
If 200 Jewish people came out tomorrow and said they thought t was hurtful that Bernie Sanders continues to support terrorists who send rockets into Israel, would you say that Bernie needs to think about that?
Again, the actual leadership of the Cherokee Nation responded positively to what Warren has done. There's enough people in America that you can find a group of 200 of any group to be upset at a politician over something.
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A common refrain and a transparent shorthand I've come to accept as "A woman, just not that woman".
A ton of Cubans were hurt by Bernie's comments about Castro. Is he disqualified now or do a group of them need to write a letter first?
Did anyone else see the clip on CNN of Trump hosting a Black History Month thing and a guy proudly exclaims that Trump is the first black President and everyone in there starts cheering?
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Lmao the citations and research paper style. Such a professor. Love her.
Yeah it was covered earlier, that shit was fucking wild
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