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US PoliEra 2019 |OT7| It's happening
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Yep.
~Black People be Knoooooowiiiinnnnn~
Muslim Americans got some strong opinions about their anti-terrorism capabilities too.
Beto O'Rourke @BetoORourke
Leaving millions of weapons of war on the streets because Trump and McConnell are "at least pretending to be open to reforms"?
That calculation and fear is what got us here in the first place. Let's have the courage to say what we believe and fight for it. https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1173239254257979400 …
12:02 PM - Sep 15, 2019
Leaving millions of weapons of war on the streets because Trump and McConnell are "at least pretending to be open to reforms"?
That calculation and fear is what got us here in the first place. Let's have the courage to say what we believe and fight for it. https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1173239254257979400 …
12:02 PM - Sep 15, 2019
It would depend on whether he has control or the media machine does. Fox will definitely try to turn on him in a heartbeat, at least as soon as the electoral college votes are cast if not sooner.
Also depends on whether he has the time from fighting all of the NY State, and hopefully federal, charges against him.
Make the life of every single Republican who won't vote to impeach hell. Tar them as rape-enablers.
Anyone who voted to confirm Wray that isn't from some deep red state is a moron who probably shouldn't be trusted to be in the senate confirming people
Trump: Ok shut down investigations to all the things that might be politically damaging to me
Comey: No
Trump: Ok you're fired
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Trump: Ok now I trust this guy to lead the fbi because he'll totally not investigate things I don't want him to investigate
Dems: hmmm he seems reasonable
Press: Turns out FBI refused to actually investigate the thing Trump didn't want them to investigate
Dems:
Comey: No
Trump: Ok you're fired
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Trump: Ok now I trust this guy to lead the fbi because he'll totally not investigate things I don't want him to investigate
Dems: hmmm he seems reasonable
Press: Turns out FBI refused to actually investigate the thing Trump didn't want them to investigate
Dems:
There is no telling the fuckery that would come during that, when we had open operations by the ratfuckers, him and Graham (who was in the ME quietly while this state got sideswiped by a hurricane as congress reconvenes...) screeching and sneering, Collins' speech quoting the same conspiracy theory that got one of those ratfuckers fired from his PR job not one week before, the burial of this millions of debt payoffs, a doctor's life exposed to the winds of DC's grinding entertainment (whose story was pretty much verified AND another ratfucker was with Brett then!)...
Whatever reasons he was wanted on that bench despite the pain he dredged up, and put the Senate, the FBI, the SCOTUS, and innocents thru, all with the expectation that these reveleations of new evil in his past will keep popping up, and when a regular-ass clean-living conservative District Judge would have sailed thru no problem with 60+ votes, must be really valuable..
Drag his ass, Beto
Any candidate running for this office with any thought of working with fucking Mitch McConnell, should probably bow out. I'm also really disappointed in Bernie for not wanting to nuke the Filibuster. The one thing Warren has over him in my view.
Any candidate running for this office with any thought of working with fucking Mitch McConnell, should probably bow out. I'm also really disappointed in Bernie for not wanting to nuke the Filibuster. The one thing Warren has over him in my view.
Matt Damon would get another shot on SNL, at the very least
The more Kavanaugh is in the news, the likelier Sue's retirement. I'll take it.
I surmise that a sizable portion of her base is older women who otherwise vote for Democrats. They don't like Kavanaugh.
From an article last month:
I surmise that a sizable portion of her base is older women who otherwise vote for Democrats. They don't like Kavanaugh.
From an article last month:
I hope Beto has the sense to decline the VP job if offered it as the role is a terrible fit for his strengths. Beto is at his best when he speaks from the heart and without checking with anyone what he's allowed to say first, and that's not a privilege afforded to the Vice President.
Warren"s outspoken support of reforms like Electoral College, Ranked Choice Voting and nuking the Filibuster is the one area where she is better than Bernie. That and calling out the racism and sexism inside the GOP instead of being cautious to the point of anger like when Bernie said the whole "it isnt racist to not vote for Gillum because hes black".
The cruelty is the point, I think. He's in there because he's the one who would trigger libs the most. It's not enough to do their jobs quietly, it's to do them loudly and gin up as much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the opposition as they can.
Sometimes it sucks being the good guys because you really can't spend your time and energy doing the same. Not that you need to be civil or any of that shit, but we don't get to be petty for the sake of hurting them and that's frustrating at times.
He's referring to the gun control measures being discussed in Congress right now, in particular the Manchin-Toomey bill on background checks. Quite possible this will go nowhere, again, but saying you want to grab people's guns is probably also not going to be particularly helpful for the momentum Democrats do have on the issue.
My wife and I aborted our first pregnancy because of anencephaly (among other defects). She still breaks down about it every year about the anniversary of the diagnosis, but the alternative of being forced to bring it to term would have wrought incalculable emotional and psychological damage.
It can't be overstated how unfathomably monstrous the right wing agenda is at every level, but I feel like we're running out of adequate words.
Sanders is for ranked choice. I'm drawing a blank on his stance on the EC tho.
His stance on the filibuster annoys the living shit out of me, ESPECIALLY knowing the damage McConnell has done
I meant more generally, but yeah
Look, I'm not a fan of Beto's prospects. But it's hard to deny that his "Hell yeah we're taking your guns!" was the biggest moment of the night besides Castro going nuclear. That we're still talking about it is a sign that it resonated. It's his "Basket of Deplorables" moment: the people we shouldn't be two-shits concerned about are performing outrage, while the base we need to worry about keeping energized are going "FUCK YES!!!!"
That's what makes Buttigieg such a freaking frog right now. Isn't he the one always saying that Republicans are going to ascribe a position to you regardless, so run on what you believe and be passionate about? But now we're supposed to be excited by McConnell "pretending" to care? Butt actually acknowledged that McConnell is only pretending!
Sanders wants to get around the filibuster to the point it is toothless.
Imagine the right being this concerned about independent and liberal voters when Trump yelled about Muslim bans, building walls, shooting Muslims with bullets dipped in pig's blood.
I don't give a shit what these dumdums think. I want our candidates to stand for SOMETHING.
I think it's classic kompromat. They put a guy there with baggage for miles because they know they can control him when they really need to. You don't go to these efforts, paying off hundreds of thousands of debts and a high priced mortgage while engaging in a massive cover-up involving senators and the FBI just to "own the libs".
Not to mention we still don't have all the facts of Kennedy's sudden and surprise departure and every thread that follows from that - like his son and Deutsche Bank.
Sanders' position on the filibuster either comes from a fear that it would be abused by the GOP (although reconciliation favors the kind of hatchet-jobs they like to pull and not progressive legislation), or just from the ghost of the spirit of comity in the Senate.
The masses are going to Rise Up and demand that their elected leaders vote for stuff, remember? Even from deep red states!
Personally I don't really care or want to talk about the filibuster until we actually have a majority for once.
Let's actually try and win the senate and we'll figure out what to do with it then
Let's actually try and win the senate and we'll figure out what to do with it then
a lot of people are giving bernie the benefit of the doubt and assuming he doesn't want to show his hand until he's actually in power
I unfortunately think your latter point is correct, and that the Senate has insulated him.
Basically, he wants to overrule the Senate parliamentarian using the vice president while using budget reconciliation.
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Same. If it comes up for a vote, Bernie will vote to nuke it.
Just from talking with Bernie supporters I also just don't think that many people know what the filibuster is or why it needs to be destroyed.
If you ever talk about the Obama years with them they'll be like "why didn't they do this and this and this?" Because they didn't have 60 votes. "so what?" So they should have gotten rid of the filibuster. But absent that, it didn't matter if there were 59 Bernies and 41 McConnells.
People just figure if politicians can't deliver it's because they were lying all along. This would just as easily happen to Bernie if he were elected president, did not have 60 Democratic Senators and would not eliminate the filibuster.
It's kind of ridiculous with his constant talk of revolution.
We must have a political revolution! But we also must respect arcane rules of the Senate!
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Just another member of the crusty Establishment concerned with their norms. SMH.
By November 2020 Democrats hopefully won't have to care about Moscow Mitch at all, but in the here and now I'll gladly and excitedly take any gun control measure that passes Congress that intends to prevent the loss of further life, yes.
On the broader point though, for years, if not decades, Democrats have argued consistently we're not going to come to take away your guns like the Republicans are claiming we would, instead saying we support sensible gun control measures to curb the gun violence epidemic. That's in part what has led to winning suburban voters over as mass and school shootings are becoming an increasingly frequent occurrence, opening the path to actually be able to pass laws like the assault weapons ban we know work. The NRA is a shell of its former self because the positions of the NRA and Republicans are increasingly seen as extreme. The one way to lose suburban voters again, to lose this momentum, to give the NRA a new lease on life and boost rural Trump voter turnout in 2020, is to say you support mandatory gun buy-backs.
When he says Democrats shouldn't worry about Republicans but go out there and run on the right policy, I don't think he means they should go out there and support a dumb policy.
yeah im sometimes not sure if this is a viable tactic. like clearly people striking can achieve actual policy results.
but are there enough people in red states that want healthcare or higher wages, etc? idk. there should be. people in Kentucky need as much health care as anyone else. but I don't understand how those people vote in the first place - as in, who they elect - to get a sense of if they'd participate in demonstrations for their own benefit.
Can you imagine Bernie being a crypto socialist and him going "ok capitalism is over" in the middle of his innaugural speech
Biden, as the vice president, dropped the f bomb numerous times on live TV. Beto will fit right in.
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