People that begins in police and military are mostly very young. There are no family to support.
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US Navy recruiter streaming with friends named “gamer word” “Nagasaki” and “japan1945”
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The dilemma of the good cop: Calling out wrongdoing can end an officer’s career
Ryan Adler said he is speaking up now as heightened focus is being paid to reforming police departments across the country. He believes his insights as a former officer can help bring light to these systemic, cultural problems, especially as leaders are vowing that they, too, want change.
I don't know how respectable these sources are, but it does not sound all that surprising to me. These stories have been shared on multiple sources as well.
That brotherhood stuff sounds scary as fuck though damn.
While I agree the US has committed war crimes, let's not delude ourselves into comparing them to Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan.
Cops control Americans, service members control the world for America. Most people, including liberals, are nationalists, so the military is seen in better light than the police.
The specific historical arguments around the atomic bombs don't matter. Username "Nagasaki" and "Japan1945" are not presenting some kind of historical argument that needs to be supported or opposed - usernames like that are chosen with full knowledge of how people feel, and are selected therefore to get rises out of people and be controversial. It's SOP for teenage edgelords (or adult edgelords who never grew up) and obviously embarrassing to be associated with. Esp when "Gamerword" is on the same team.
Let's put this another way - if you saw some Russian guy with the username "UKRAINE1932" and another with the username "GRAINHARVEST" you could safely assume they're simply stoking up the memory of something bad for controversy, even if you're the kind of person who thinks the holodomir was just a combination of mismanagement and bad luck rather than a deliberate act of genocide. It's not a discussion, it's just designed to raise associations for the purpose of shock and offense. And in both cases, these people would probably be greatly tickled by the fact that people are upset by it - that was the point to begin with.
Let's put this another way - if you saw some Russian guy with the username "UKRAINE1932" and another with the username "GRAINHARVEST" you could safely assume they're simply stoking up the memory of something bad for controversy, even if you're the kind of person who thinks the holodomir was just a combination of mismanagement and bad luck rather than a deliberate act of genocide. It's not a discussion, it's just designed to raise associations for the purpose of shock and offense. And in both cases, these people would probably be greatly tickled by the fact that people are upset by it - that was the point to begin with.
Y'all coming down hard on Hybrid Rainbow for saying not all military, but he's right. Of course this recruiter and his buddies are awful racist dicks. That said, there are many men and women in my life who served who are truly anti-racist and doing what is right every day.
The US inspired the Nazis with with their treatment of Black and Indigenous people.
Our use of propaganda to get the country on board with war, too.
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They won't do it because Mr. Bezos doesn't want to be in bad terms with the US govt. At the end of the day, only money matters.
Oh my friend, you are going to discover a looooot of stuff when you dig into eugenics...
Those aren't participation trophies.I mean, this is super fucked up, but at the same time you have to understand that the US hasn't really won a major military conflict since WW2, so they have to look back to the days of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers to feel good about their service, no matter how inhumane or atrocious their actions back then.
Never forget the ultimate participation trophy:
Runner-up edition:
This right here is actually a participation trophy. They hand these out at boot camp.
Yea, unlike the Nazi's, they genocided the Native Americans and got away with it.
go fight and commit war crimes for an oil company and leave normal people alone idk
The US had no issue taking in Nazis after the war like Wernher Von Braun if it advanced their scientific goals. The US government really didn't care.
The U.S. also liberated concentration camps.
But I guess that doesn't count in these nuance-free, all or nothing arguments.
Japanese Internment camps? Frequent lynchings? A whole hate group terrorizing black people?
We really out here playing revisionist to WW2 history? lol
True, what's happening with immigrants is purely unhuman. Same with the prison system which are basically work camps as well.
But let's not forget there are still people here whose grandparents fought in wars they had no choice participating in, or a couple generations back those that liberated Europe.
You don't call everyone in the military scumbags, you simply don't.
...They also had their own internment camps for Japanese-Americans.
No one here is arguing about individuals being scum. People are saying the institutions are shit and the people in power who can change it are shit.
Please stop coming in here with the "not ALL military" fuckshit. Shit is not that personal.
Who's gonna stop me?
It's like saying "oh not all Trump supporters are racist"
Could not give less of a fuck, supporting a racist makes you a racist.
Supporting a racist organisation full of war criminals makes you a racist.
Lol people are jumping the black guy here because he served in the navy. Maybe not you. But it is personal for him.
Anyway I'm out of here, this is getting too much.
And you've got 4,500 since 2017.
Sorry.
I'll start loaning out my two-year old daughter more often so I can make more internet message board posts and start catching up if that's how we're qualifying credibility these days.
Just as soon as I recover from that sick post-count burn.
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So did the USSR. Liberating concentration camps doesn't somehow neutralize the horrible things a government does.
lol at defending the us military. You fucking dropped the kurds like they are nothing from one day to the next, leaving them to be slaughtered because your moron of a president decided to throw erdogan a bone not too long ago. not that trigger happy obama was any better. how high was his drone strike kill count again? what about the one before? the one who destroyed Iraq. I'm sure you're a good person but the people calling the shots aren't. And when they tell you to push a button that may or may not level a village in some country you will do it.
User Banned (2 Weeks) Downplaying Japanese Interment Camps in the US during WWII
I never said it did.
Just that it's patently absurd to compare Japanese internment camps in the United States during WWII (obviously a bad thing) with Nazi murder camps where 6 million Jews were executed.
But I'm bailing from this conversation too.
If the people attacking veterans and shouting things like "depraved bitch!" and "FUCK YOU!" are the ones "winning the discussion," I'm happy to lose...
ok so why aren't they out and loud condemning this? if there truly anti-racist, then they should be front an center on this right?
Who, my friends? They are out there every day fighting for equality. Such weird, antagonistic posts. I think we all agree this is horrendous behavior.
and how are your friends out fighting for equality? what are there methods? what are they doing? you've peeked my interest
Japan and Germany stopped with the war crimes after WW2. But others kept going.
I'm black and in the military. He's not getting any brownie points from me. I've suffered with racist tactics against me and my friends, misogynism towards the women I know, and just basic toxicity. This shit is systemic, not individual acts. You clowns who keep falling over each other to cape for an institution that doesn't do fuck all for the people who work for them or protects them racial or misogynist acts bothers me.
He can take that shit personal all he wants. It is fact that the branches are all racist. The evidence for that agrees with that sentiment.
No, he is wrong.
And no one is saying any individuals are racist.
Yall gonna ride this not all military argument to the end, huh?
It's a deeper conversation with that. Some of you think you're really clever by being super reductive about everything when you're just really daft as fuck. Military can absolutely be a place where racism is present and one can absolutely feel that it's on a different level than police and there's a fuck ton of nuance and context to that convo. In general, I've heard of bigots in the military, but most rank and file I've known were absolutely stand up people and the culture between them and cops isn't necessarily the same. My parents were lifelong dems that both served twenty years in the military as Hispanics. The problem with discourse on era is that plenty of these situations are deeper than a vapid two sentence "dunk" can encapsulate and ignoring that to paint someone as on this side versus the other isn't doing anyone any favors. I personally know there's bigotry in the military, but there's some big differences between institutions that should absolutely be acknowledged.
Also, folks trying to gang up on a fellow black poster for sharing his experience aren't helping either, imo. It isn't easy talking about this stuff. You don't gotta agree with what they're saying, but you don't have to be chodes about it either. This stuff isn't always easy to discuss and it wouldn't hurt to navigate it together. Some of you painfully lack self-awareness and it's apparent in how you debate others online trying to roll over them via moral absolutes rather than ever engage any subject past initial face value. There's so much depth to people and their beliefs, feelings, environments, etc and it's something else to constantly see so many just be so willfully obtuse in an effort to shit on fellow posters. Especially when it seems like most are talking about two different aspects of military to begin with. At least make sure you're on the same page.
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I hope you understand that not everyone here is American, and the value of "the people that destroyed my country were just paying for college" is not a comforting argument. If you are close to the destruction caused by the military, there's no other way to view it's defense than depraved.
This site has a very Western viewpoint on militaries and don't think of the victims to war and the lives and homes destroyed because of the US or its allies.
kind of a bad look to threadban an arab poster for mocking the us military, even if they were getting personal, idk. feels not great
You'll find a lot of links between the US and Nazi Germany. Hitler even admired the US in how contradictory we were. All men are created equal or so it's written, but structurally, systematically, culturally, we were (and still are today) destroying the lives of non-whites all while the US claimed to be a bastion of freedom and opportunity. Hitler got plenty of inspiration for his regime from the US.
Also can't forget stull like this.
Americans hold a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden | February 20, 1939 | HISTORY
Six and a half months before Adolf Hitler invaded Poland, New York City’s Madison Square Garden hosted a rally to celebrate the rise of Nazism in Germany. Inside, more than 20,000 attendees raised Nazi salutes toward a 30-foot-tall portrait of George Washington flanked by swastikas. Outside...
www.history.com
Now let's skip ahead, the US has now destabilized so many countries so their left war torn, in poverty and allowed dictators to rise up to have control. Violent sects and regimes displacing people, many trying to flee to the US and other countries and none will have them. Then helping to write some of their law and trying to create a westernized democracy.
9/11. This attack was a big one. The attack finally gave the US a justification for war and to commit genocidal acts in the public eye. It brought so many together in the US under racism and denouncing allies who would not participate in the war. It also made way for less freedoms and privacy in the US.
We're a very imperialist country. Eager for war. Eager for rule.
All you guys whinging about #notallsoldiers realize this is a thread about a US military spokesman being overtly racist on a livestream, right? You should not be upset that people are condemning nakedly despicable behavior. The military (like many US institutions) has a bit of a racism problem, and you don't work on that by downplaying it and getting defensive.
This essentially is a nice summation of what's wrong with how Americans view their own military.
When I wanna get my point across, I just substitute the word US with China and I'll find a lot more agreement than before.
Capitalism would get much more scrutinized if say the first trillionaire is a Chinese businessman instead of Jeff Bezo
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Vice picked the story up:
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A U.S. Navy Twitch Stream Included Jokes About Nagasaki and the N-Word
For just over an hour, a member of the U.S. Navy’s esports team played with ‘close friends’ who used ‘Nagasaki’, ‘Japan 1945’, and ‘Gamer Word’ as their screennames.
www.vice.com
