TV Displays and Tech Thread |OT2| There Is No Perfect TV ™ (Read The OP)

Sanctuary · Oct 22, 2019

Dave said:
I got warranty from the store, but I can't be without my TV so its a frustrating choice. As far as it goes it only appears on red screen but now it seems to be burning in stuff I don't recognise. I have zero idea. The TV is nearly four years old now. For the fucking ridiculous price posted I could buy a new one.

So wait, your warranty will cover it, but you're just worried about how many weeks it might take for them to repair or replace it? Have you already contacted the store, and did they tell you instead to call LG? Often, in the case of older OLEDs, if your warranty is applicable still, you would actually get an upgrade like a B8 or even B9 since the store likely no longer can even get the B6.

I know LG's warranty does not cover burn in, but store specific warranties can.

Dave · Oct 22, 2019

Sanctuary said:
So wait, your warranty will cover it, but you're just worried about how many weeks it might take for them to repair or replace it? Have you already contacted the store, and did they tell you instead to call LG? Often, in the case of older OLEDs, if your warranty is applicable still, you would actually get an upgrade like a B8 or even B9 since the store likely no longer can even get the B6.

I know LG's warranty does not cover burn in, but store specific warranties can.

I'm lucky. They said they'll cover it and if they can't fix it they will give me a voucher for an equivalent TV in store of around £1300. Always buy warranty!

Sanctuary · Oct 22, 2019

Dave said:
Always buy warranty!

This was literally the first time in thirty odd years of buying my own electronics that an extended warranty has ever been needed. From now on though, I will be getting a 3-5 year for these kinds of TVs, but I would be waiting until March of the following year after release to get the TV too.

EvilBoris · Oct 22, 2019

Ferrs said:
I'm confused about the HGIG posts, doesn't games need to be patched or done to actually use the feature? or atleast the console? It's like the HDR calibration tool, that does nothing because games ignore it for their own tool (NMS being the exception).

games need to be patched to automatically pull through the values for a game (replacing those calibration screens in game) but with dynamic tone mapping on or off you still have a secondary level of mapping being applied, which takes the image away from a "native" output towards a processed image.

this sounds like it disables all of that processing and leaves it firmly in the game's hands to deal with, which is how it should be IMO

Blackthorn · Oct 22, 2019

HGIG update still hasn't dropped for my C9 yet. Is there another way to install it?

EvilBoris · Oct 22, 2019

Blackthorn said:
HGIG update still hasn't dropped for my C9 yet. Is there another way to install it?

The firmware is on the Various global support website now, so you can manually install it

Mitchman1411 · Oct 22, 2019

EvilBoris said:
games need to be patched to automatically pull through the values for a game (replacing those calibration screens in game) but with dynamic tone mapping on or off you still have a secondary level of mapping being applied, which takes the image away from a "native" output towards a processed image.

this sounds like it disables all of that processing and leaves it firmly in the game's hands to deal with, which is how it should be IMO

Have you heard of issues with the HDR calibration in the 7.0 FW? It crashes my B6 TV here, so I can't use it at all.

FuturaBold · Oct 22, 2019

EvilBoris said:
games need to be patched to automatically pull through the values for a game (replacing those calibration screens in game) but with dynamic tone mapping on or off you still have a secondary level of mapping being applied, which takes the image away from a "native" output towards a processed image.

this sounds like it disables all of that processing and leaves it firmly in the game's hands to deal with, which is how it should be IMO

When I tested BF1 with HGiG on the white squares matched at 800 nits. When I used the custom tone curves, DTM off, in Cinema, I could get up to 3800-4000.

electricblue · Oct 22, 2019

I still have an old Panasonic Plasma that I still think looks great. I'm thinking of buying a new OLED this Black Friday if there's a deal at Amazon or Costco or somewhere else returns are easy

MorshuTheTrader · Oct 22, 2019

So I have a C9 on the way. Would you guys recommend using the HGIG setting for all games? Or is this just a future proof setting for games that will eventually support it?

Faces of Death · Oct 22, 2019

MorshuTheTrader said:
So I have a C9 on the way. Would you guys recommend using the HGIG setting for all games? Or is this just a future proof setting for games that will eventually support it?

While i need to test more in games that don't have calibration tools (like PUBG, where i noticed the biggest difference), I think i'm going to keep using DTM for now. I upgraded from a C7 because of the dim game mode, and i don't really want to go back to that even if it is more accurate. Maybe the consoles will be updated soon to use HGIG differently?

Ferrs · Oct 22, 2019

EvilBoris said:
games need to be patched to automatically pull through the values for a game (replacing those calibration screens in game) but with dynamic tone mapping on or off you still have a secondary level of mapping being applied, which takes the image away from a "native" output towards a processed image.

this sounds like it disables all of that processing and leaves it firmly in the game's hands to deal with, which is how it should be IMO

I see. Didn't know there's a statc tone mapping regarled of DTM being on or not.

nikasun :D · Oct 22, 2019

So turns out my newish subwoofer has been causing all my electric noise problems. Just connected an older Magnat sub and it works perfectly, even with the sat cable and PC connected. Warranty ran out 10 days ago, so jot sure what the shop will do tomorrow.

malcolmx · Oct 22, 2019

Any big updates coming to Sony TVs?:\

Terbinator · Oct 22, 2019

Hey all, it seems my parent TV has developed a banding fault, with the set itself being 14 months old(55" Samsung NU7100 FWIW).

What are the rights/processes they can go down to get this sorted? We're in the UK and I believe it was purchased on finance too through Currys(not sure if still ongoing).

I appreciate banding can be inherent, but this has literally come through over the past week, and was even visible on the Arsenal/Sheff pitch from yesterday. Grey screen added to highlight.

It's noticeable on pretty much all content. If not immediately obvious, middle left up and up.

Bedlam · Oct 22, 2019

Received my LG C9 55 last Saturday but only got around to opening the package today. Seeing how thin this thing is, I'm a bit scared of unpacking and setting it up by myself. Has anyone here done that by himself? I'm thinking of putting the package flat on the ground and pulling out the tv sideways with the foam that way. Hmm...

burgerdog · Oct 22, 2019

Far From Home already 12.99 on iTunes, brehs. Still waiting for John Wick 3 to go on sale :(

Lg oled bros, do you guys use technicolor or cinema to watch hdr movies? I have been using technicolor for the longest time but didn't realize how cool the temp was until trying cinema a few days ago. Don't know what to do now.

Hasney · Oct 22, 2019

Bedlam said:
Received my LG C9 55 last Saturday but only got around to opening the package today. Seeing how thin this thing is, I'm a bit scared of unpacking and setting it up by myself. Has anyone here done that by himself? I'm thinking of putting the package flat on the ground and pulling out the tv sideways with the foam that way. Hmm...

The box of the 65" one tore off at the top, so the TV could be free standing. Then put the polystyrene on the floor and lay your TV on it to affix the stand and put it up. I couldn't lift the 65" one by myself from the floor with the stand on to the media centre, but you might be OK for a 55", or need a hand there

EvilBoris · Oct 22, 2019

Terbinator said:
Hey all, it seems my parent TV has developed a banding fault, with the set itself being 14 months old(55" Samsung NU7100 FWIW).

What are the rights/processes they can go down to get this sorted? We're in the UK and I believe it was purchased on finance too through Currys(not sure if still ongoing).

I appreciate banding can be inherent, but this has literally come through over the past week, and was even visible on the Arsenal/Sheff pitch from yesterday. Grey screen added to highlight.

It's noticeable on pretty much all content. If not immediately obvious, middle left up and up.

that looks like one of the backlight LeDs has failed

Vitamin_B_Complex · Oct 22, 2019

So how many dual layer LCD TVs are we expecting next year or the year after. To me this is the most promising technology.

Billy Lee · Oct 22, 2019

Bedlam said:
Received my LG C9 55 last Saturday but only got around to opening the package today. Seeing how thin this thing is, I'm a bit scared of unpacking and setting it up by myself. Has anyone here done that by himself? I'm thinking of putting the package flat on the ground and pulling out the tv sideways with the foam that way. Hmm...

I tried setting up my 65" Panasonic OLED by myself but I had to call my neighbour over to help me lift it out of the box and onto the TV stand.

Blackthorn · Oct 22, 2019

Bedlam said:
Received my LG C9 55 last Saturday but only got around to opening the package today. Seeing how thin this thing is, I'm a bit scared of unpacking and setting it up by myself. Has anyone here done that by himself? I'm thinking of putting the package flat on the ground and pulling out the tv sideways with the foam that way. Hmm...

I set up the 55" myself but I really shouldn't have, stupidly reckless of me. If there's anyone who can help you, I'd wait.

FuturaBold · Oct 22, 2019

burgerdog said:
Far From Home already 12.99 on iTunes, brehs. Still waiting for John Wick 3 to go on sale :(

Lg oled bros, do you guys use technicolor or cinema to watch hdr movies? I have been using technicolor for the longest time but didn't realize how cool the temp was until trying cinema a few days ago. Don't know what to do now.

For HDR Cinema is the most accurate for a dark room. I use that for gaming on my X and for movies Use Cinema Home only in bright room.

Jessie.Bristol · Oct 22, 2019

Terbinator said:
Hey all, it seems my parent TV has developed a banding fault, with the set itself being 14 months old(55" Samsung NU7100 FWIW).

What are the rights/processes they can go down to get this sorted? We're in the UK and I believe it was purchased on finance too through Currys(not sure if still ongoing).

I appreciate banding can be inherent, but this has literally come through over the past week, and was even visible on the Arsenal/Sheff pitch from yesterday. Grey screen added to highlight.

It's noticeable on pretty much all content. If not immediately obvious, middle left up and up.

As that TV is edge-lit, it looks like a couple of the LEDS may be dying (or have died). I believe the UK has better warranties then the US. So you should be able to get a replacement.

Deleted member 14649 · Oct 22, 2019

Billy Lee said:
I tried setting up my 65" Panasonic OLED by myself but I had to call my neighbour over to help me lift it out of the box and onto the TV stand.

I somehow managed to set up my Sony AF9 on my own, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it. Wait for your significant other to come home or phone a friend. I had no trouble with my B6 though - the easel design of the Sony made it beyond difficult to do, as you have to hold it, insert parts and screw etc. Nightmare.

Aesop · Oct 23, 2019

Total Audio noob here, I don't understand how to setup my Soundbar properly. I have an LG SL4Y Soundbar connected to my C9 through Optical Out.

When I enable LG Sound Sync it lets me use the regular Magic Remote for quick volume control but the Soundbar only shows a "PCM" signal regardless of what I actually play. When i disable Sound Sync and only use Passthrough i can still use the Remote for volume control but its way slower, and the Signal info detects "DTS" from my source files (which is correct- DTS 5.1).

Do i not get the real sound quality when I use Sound Sync, i.e. PCM stereo only? Whats the correct way to set this up? Or does it not really matter and the only difference with Sync is that my TV is handling all the DTS encoding so the soundbar receives PCM from my TV?

raketenrolf · Oct 23, 2019

I read/watched some reviews about the Panasonic OLEDs and think they might be a better fit for me. Problem is they don't fully support HDMI 2.1 (at least the GZ950 doesn't) which is a deal breaker for me considering I will mostly use it for gaming and streaming. Might wait for another year. Another downside might be the OS, as the webOS looks way, way better to use, especially with the magic remote.

Guess I will just see how low a C9 65" gets this year/early next year and decide then/might just jump on it. Then again, 65" displays could go down in price next year due to JOLED? Let's see.

Sanctuary · Oct 23, 2019

electricblue said:
I still have an old Panasonic Plasma that I still think looks great. I'm thinking of buying a new OLED this Black Friday if there's a deal at Amazon or Costco or somewhere else returns are easy

I'm not sure you will have the same opinion after a few weeks or so of owning an OLED. Just like when I used to think my Trinitron looked great before getting my plasma, and then hard to look at not even a month later, the same thing happened after getting an OLED. I still play some 1080p games on my plasma, but when it comes to anything that relies on black level for atmosphere, it's hard to look at (and that's not even considering the benefits of HDR). If you haven't already spent time in person viewing content on an OLED for an extended period, it's hard to really understand how much of an upgrade it really is in most ways.

Blackthorn said:
I set up the 55" myself but I really shouldn't have, stupidly reckless of me. If there's anyone who can help you, I'd wait.

I did that with a 55'' B6 after getting it back from the repair shop (not repaired) just to test some things out. It was already fucked, so I wasn't about to lose anything anyway. It was surprisingly easy to set up...standing on the floor at least. No way in hell would I do that with a new screen, and especially not one that's larger.

EvilBoris · Oct 23, 2019

I wouldn't count on OLED getting cheaper than it is , they are going to remain premium products for quite some time.
JOLED is being used for phone/tablet displays first so is a way off TVs.
You've also got QDOLED and MLED coming too

Bedlam · Oct 23, 2019

Hasney said:
The box of the 65" one tore off at the top, so the TV could be free standing. Then put the polystyrene on the floor and lay your TV on it to affix the stand and put it up. I couldn't lift the 65" one by myself from the floor with the stand on to the media centre, but you might be OK for a 55", or need a hand there

Billy Lee said:
I tried setting up my 65" Panasonic OLED by myself but I had to call my neighbour over to help me lift it out of the box and onto the TV stand.

Blackthorn said:
I set up the 55" myself but I really shouldn't have, stupidly reckless of me. If there's anyone who can help you, I'd wait.

Thanks for sharing the experiences, everyone!

I managed to set up the TV by myself yesterday but it was pretty nerve-wrecking (as Blackthorn said - I really shouldn't have done that). Minus lifting it onto the tv shelf by myself, however, which felt like a very very bad idea. Will have a friend come over to help me with that.

Fortunately, everything is fine. Watched Fury Road and was blown away - and it wasn't even the 4k version and I haven't done any tv calibration yet either (just went through the various default modes).

desu · Oct 23, 2019

For the people who wait for the eArc update of the 2019 LG Oleds:

LG will be introducing PCM Multi-channel support when using eARC in the 2 quarter of 2020. This will be possible via a software update for 2019 & 2020 TV that support eARC.

https://lgcommunity.us.com/discussi...imitation-regarding-hdmi-earc-pass-through/p1

One year to fix a "broken" feature of the TV =/.

raketenrolf · Oct 23, 2019

EvilBoris said:
I wouldn't count on OLED getting cheaper than it is , they are going to remain premium products for quite some time.
JOLED is being used for phone/tablet displays first so is a way off TVs.
You've also got QDOLED and MLED coming too

Thought the new Panasonic and Sony TVs are already using the new JOLED panels or will be using them 2020. If that's not the case then idk. Like I said, let's see how much the C9 65" is going down in price this year/beginning of next year.

Thing is, I had too many bad experiences with Korean electronics (mostly Samsung actually) and am cautious when it comes to buying electronics from Korean brands.

ppn7 · Oct 23, 2019

Hey guys

I just discovered the « motion interpolation » which could be used in game to help 30fps content for being fluid as 60fps. It's not perfect but it seems to be useful. For example the Q70R can do that.

Anyone has tried this ? I have no TV yet but I plan to buy one for 4K/30fps game with PC and maybe later ps5.

There some test on RTings but yours feedback are welcome ! Thank you

Hasney · Oct 23, 2019

ppn7 said:
Hey guys

I just discovered the « motion interpolation » which could be used in game to help 30fps content for being fluid as 60fps. It's not perfect but it seems to be useful. For example the Q70R can do that.

Anyone has tried this ? I have no TV yet but I plan to buy one for 4K/30fps game with PC and maybe later ps5.

There some test on RTings but yours feedback are welcome ! Thank you

It looks good in some games and horrible in others, but I wouldn't use it in general even if all games looked great. The input lag increases.

Delroy · Oct 23, 2019

I'll be moving out of the U.S. for the next 3-5 years and am looking for a decent 55" or larger HDR 4K TV to be mainly used for gaming that won't break the bank ($500-750 ideally). It would be best if it's dual voltage which seems to rule out the TCL 6 series. I'm coming from a 65" LG OLED which doesn't appear to be dual voltage sadly. Any recommendations? I'd go hard and buy a spendy set but can't do that to the lady of the house + moving expenses overseas.

Rickyrozay2o9 · Oct 23, 2019

So looking at the current prices for the LG C9 and the 65" is basically $1000 more than the 55". Is the 10" really worth that much more?

Samaritan · Oct 23, 2019

Rickyrozay2o9 said:
So looking at the current prices for the LG C9 and the 65" is basically $1000 more than the 55". Is the 10" really worth that much more?

As an owner of a 55" LG OLED, I regret not paying more for the 65" model. That extra 10" makes a huge difference, especially with native 4K content.

That Naive Cube!! · Oct 23, 2019

Rickyrozay2o9 said:
So looking at the current prices for the LG C9 and the 65" is basically $1000 more than the 55". Is the 10" really worth that much more?

All depends on your budget and viewing distance

Edit: the further back you sit, the more likely it is that youd need a bigger tv to maintain the optimal viewing distance for 4k content

Xx 720 · Oct 23, 2019

Rickyrozay2o9 said:
So looking at the current prices for the LG C9 and the 65" is basically $1000 more than the 55". Is the 10" really worth that much more?

Screen real estate is the biggest feature of any tv,even more so for 4K resolution.

Rickyrozay2o9 · Oct 23, 2019

Thanks for the quick response guys. I have a 55 right now and I sit about 7 feet away. I just figured if I was going to buy an oled and spend so much money I might as well go up to the next size.

Samaritan · Oct 23, 2019

Rickyrozay2o9 said:
Thanks for the quick response guys. I have a 55 right now and I sit about 7 feet away. I just figured if I was going to buy an oled and spend so much money I might as well go up to the next size.

Definitely worth it if you can afford it. What're you upgrading from if you don't mind me asking?

Rickyrozay2o9 · Oct 23, 2019

Samaritan said:
Definitely worth it if you can afford it. What're you upgrading from if you don't mind me asking?

Yeah, I've been waiting to make the purchase for a while. I'm coming from a "55 tcl p605

AtomicShroom · Oct 23, 2019

ppn7 said:
Hey guys

I just discovered the « motion interpolation » which could be used in game to help 30fps content for being fluid as 60fps. It's not perfect but it seems to be useful. For example the Q70R can do that.

Anyone has tried this ? I have no TV yet but I plan to buy one for 4K/30fps game with PC and maybe later ps5.

There some test on RTings but yours feedback are welcome ! Thank you

It adds input latency, so no thanks!

dedge · Oct 23, 2019

I'm roughly 9 feet from the TV and don't mind having a 55" but see 65" is the recommended size for that distance. As I've never had a TV that size I'm not really sure of the impact but would people recommend a 55" OLED (C9) or a 65" LED for that distance? I'm comfortable with the current size, but maybe there's a larger resolution pop I'm missing vs the picture benefits OLED would bring. Going off the page: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship

ppn7 · Oct 23, 2019

Hasney said:
It looks good in some games and horrible in others, but I wouldn't use it in general even if all games looked great. The input lag increases.

On the Q70R it s'doesnt increase Input lag. Only about 20ms maybe. It's less than Vsync on PC which is 100ms I guess.

ppn7 · Oct 23, 2019

AtomicShroom said:
It adds input latency, so no thanks!

Not on some TV like the Samsung Q70R and higher

AtomicShroom · Oct 23, 2019

ppn7 said:
Not on some TV like the Samsung Q70R and higher

Rtings specifically says it does:

"In 'Game Mode,' you can enable motion interpolation through the Game Motion Plus menu. The input lag is 39.3ms when you interpolate to 60fps and 45.7ms for 120fps."

Normally the input lag is 15ms.

Besides it's juste physically impossible for any form of frame interpolation to not add input lag, since it needs to buffer at least 2 frames to generate the interpolated one.

Hasney · Oct 23, 2019

ppn7 said:
Only about 20ms maybe

That's too much. That would be more than double on my C9 and the interpolation there adds 83.3ms

Broken Hope · Oct 23, 2019

desu said:
For the people who wait for the eArc update of the 2019 LG Oleds:

https://lgcommunity.us.com/discussi...imitation-regarding-hdmi-earc-pass-through/p1

One year to fix a "broken" feature of the TV =/.

As long as they fix it before PS5 as I'm sure that will support VRR and I'll need to plug it directly into the TV then eARC the audio to my receiver.

ApexNorth · Oct 23, 2019

What's going on guys,

So, I look at slides roughly once a month to check for any burn-in on my OLED TV (LG-B7) that I've had for just over a year now. Yesterday I noticed what I believe is image-retention from movies, normally I play games as well as watch a movie but this past three weeks I've just been watching movies (1 a night), what I've noticed is the black bars on the top and bottom of the screen from the letterbox are starting to appear on the grey slides. I was under the impression that letterbox'd movies won't burn in because the LED's switch off as the bars are black?

Basically, I'm a bit concerned about continuing to watch movies on the TV in-case they do end up burning in.

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