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To those who have finished The Last of Us: Part II, do you want there to be a Part III? [Contains Spoilers]
- Thread starter Magio
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That's alot easier to do when you make the villains (whomever they will be) irredeemable. It was very easy to not feel bad for any of those gang members in the last portion of the game. Next game can just have a group like that with very little redeemable qualities, or just make it the perception that Ellie is defending herself again (not going on a blind rampage killing everyone), then it'll probably be fine.
Plus, you have now possible issue of Tommy turning on Ellie because she let Abby live. If he's still fueled by revenge, he may work with a group of people that are willing to go and attack Abby or something. If we play as Abby again, then we should have no problems defending ourselves from those people.
There are ways around the "hate" theme of the second game, while still making the 3rd game more intense, yet hopeful/ending on a more positive note..
Like nothing in the 2nd game explcitly states Ellie isn't going to still brutally murder people, or defend herself, it just showed that she got over Joel.
Maybe I'll mellow out overtime but if I could hypothetically play what TLOU3 ends up being *right now* I absolutely would not bother. TLOU2 is a good game but TLOU was an excellent game from a story perspective and the direction the sequel takes the series on makes me completely uninterested in a continuation the series.
They're going to sell like 20 million copies on this and if Factions blow up, the SP and MP may make like two billion dollars. There's no way in hell they're stopping, the only question is do they take a break or not.
Agreed, I would like this and it was be a great conclusion to the (hopefully) trilogy. But maybe leave it a little open ended too, like you're not really sure if it works/leads to a cure.
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What does this tell us about Ellie that we didn't know until that game, though? In the first game, she'd have been willing to sacrifice herself. In the second, she's angry at Joel because he took her chance at that. So what, third game she learns that there's still a way, goes and does what could have happened in the first? Where's the growth?
Having her fulfill the survivor's guilt she's been living with since the events of Left Behind by willingly dying seems much less interesting to me than having her finally overcome that guilt.
As I've previously stated I'll be down for whatever journey a sequel would take us on, but I've been done with caring about any cure stuff since halfway through the first game.
I'm in agreement there. Any conclusion to Ellie's story that ends with her sacrificing herself would be a poor decision. Plus it's a pretty bad message for people with PTSD.
A cure ending is also incredibly depressing because it basically makes the whole series just a lesson in meaningless pain and suffering. Despite "saving" humanity from the cordyceps virus it would put a huge damper on everything that happened in Part I and II as a colossal waste and a mistake. You'd come away with a story about how Joel ruined countless people's lives, for nothing, and needlessly subjected Ellie and many others to horrible psychological and physical trauma, along with leaving innumerable people dead in his wake. Everything they went through, everything that happened to them was pointless and a waste of time and only served to make these people suffer.
You may be able to argue that it would be "realistic" that an incredibly selfish and self serving act like that would be a waste and nothing more than harmful to everyone else in the end, but this is still fiction that is trying to convey something more and something hopeful. As much as Neil and co want to be authentic and true to the world and setting I very much doubt they want the conclusion of the series to be "love makes you capable of horrible things, that ultimately don't matter and just cause everyone around you immense pain and suffering only prolonging the inevitable because it was obviously a mistake they'll eventually rectify anyway despite your efforts." That's not poetic, that doesn't provide any meaningful lesson, it's just depressing, fatalistic, oppressively cynical and futile.
The series will never be able to ignore or soften the fact that what Joel did was wrong and caused tremendous harm to everyone, but they can choose to not remove any semblance of hope from it and show that out of that selfish act something good could still come of it without resorting to sacrificing Ellie for a cure.
And the alternative of "well why not have the cure not require Ellie to die" just sounds like a Marvel film. It's so unbelievably cheesy and convenient. In its own way undermining a great many other elements and themes in the game.
You may be able to argue that it would be "realistic" that an incredibly selfish and self serving act like that would be a waste and nothing more than harmful to everyone else in the end, but this is still fiction that is trying to convey something more and something hopeful. As much as Neil and co want to be authentic and true to the world and setting I very much doubt they want the conclusion of the series to be "love makes you capable of horrible things, that ultimately don't matter and just cause everyone around you immense pain and suffering only prolonging the inevitable because it was obviously a mistake they'll eventually rectify anyway despite your efforts." That's not poetic, that doesn't provide any meaningful lesson, it's just depressing, fatalistic, oppressively cynical and futile.
The series will never be able to ignore or soften the fact that what Joel did was wrong and caused tremendous harm to everyone, but they can choose to not remove any semblance of hope from it and show that out of that selfish act something good could still come of it without resorting to sacrificing Ellie for a cure.
And the alternative of "well why not have the cure not require Ellie to die" just sounds like a Marvel film. It's so unbelievably cheesy and convenient. In its own way undermining a great many other elements and themes in the game.
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Superbly put.
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Lately I've been going back and forth with the idea that maybe the "glimmer of hope" for humanity in the next game should be the Fireflies successfully maintaining scaled-up version(s?) of the Jackson model. On the good side, it seems like that would be the best case scenario for humanity if a miraculous cure doesn't appear but I fear it would build up the Fireflies as too good an entity?
Ellie can sacrifice herself when we flash forward to old Ellie after she lives a long fulfilling life
So around 87 years would do, then humanity can get their vaccine or whatever
I'll be up for a Part 3 at the end of the PS5 life. I'll be in my Early 50's by then or thereabouts. Plenty of time to digest this game lol
I loved Part 2 and i had a similar feeling after the end of the first game but even moreso now. I do not think that the characters we know and are still left alive need further stories told and some things should be left open ended. On the other hand i do not need more similar stories with other characters in this world as that would not work multiple times so what i am essentially feeling that these stories through part 1 and 2 have been told so well that anything else would pale in comparison and wouldn't have this emotional impact again.... and then if that is so why bother trying. Rather focus on developing a new IP that is just as impactful and good as they have done here. I would love to have a sci-fi themed game from the Naughty Gods.
Absolutely.
Even i came up with a kind of possible "plot" today in another thread.
I'm sure it's not that good but i would love to see something like this just made by really great writers like Druckman. They could create such a good ending to Ellies journey.
Even i came up with a kind of possible "plot" today in another thread.
I'm sure it's not that good but i would love to see something like this just made by really great writers like Druckman. They could create such a good ending to Ellies journey.
I absolutely want one. New IP first from ND, then do part III with a focus on Abby/Lev and some new characters. Keep Ellie's involvement to a minimum, much like Joel in part II.
I imagine a sequel is a long way off - and could even skip next gen. I feel like whether or not I want a sequel will change before then. My own inclination is I'm happy with TLoU2 being the last one, but that in 7+ years I'll also be excited to revisit this world.
New game with new characters & settings.
The story now zombie & horror focused instead of human drama again, as Part II already proven some certain parts in the game was terrifying.
The new Clicker types also good; albeit not many in this game...
The Rat King is great design wise; I want more of these grotesque & gross designs.
Sony have their own Resident Evil potential on their hands, but that depends if Naughty Dog wants it or not...
The story now zombie & horror focused instead of human drama again, as Part II already proven some certain parts in the game was terrifying.
The new Clicker types also good; albeit not many in this game...
The Rat King is great design wise; I want more of these grotesque & gross designs.
Sony have their own Resident Evil potential on their hands, but that depends if Naughty Dog wants it or not...
I'm the complete opposite of the guy above. I want more human v human action, at least gameplay wise. It takes a lot more strategy compared to the infected. I feel like it definitely hits peak gameplay during certain spots where you're just taking out human enemies. Or at the very least human v human with infected distracting them. I liked those moments too.
Idk if I want a new game though. Right now I feel like I want to play the campaign again just for the gameplay but that story was so long that I have no desire to jump back in so soon. That's kind of what I feel about the series right now.
Not really looking forward to the multiplayer either because the OG was literally one of the most toxic mps I've ever played.
Idk if I want a new game though. Right now I feel like I want to play the campaign again just for the gameplay but that story was so long that I have no desire to jump back in so soon. That's kind of what I feel about the series right now.
Not really looking forward to the multiplayer either because the OG was literally one of the most toxic mps I've ever played.
I'd like a new IP first. But I definitely want more of The Last Of Us. I have faith that whatever journey Ellie goes on next will be another great one.
TLoU is Ellie's story. There are currently four pieces of media about the series, American Dreams, TLoU, Left Behind and Part II. She's the only constant in every single one of them. It's a long story of us watching her growup in an extremely fucked up world. We've seen her first kiss, first love, first kill, losing a loved one, her fall etc. If/when Part III comes it really could only be a continuation of that journey.
From a gameplay perspective, hell yeah. They have one of the tightest, most fun combat in this generation.
From a story perspective? I don't know. I definitely wouldn't mind playing as Abby again as long as the main protagonist continues to be Ellie. But whatever interesting story they could have told on Part 3 died when they killed Joel (hell, Part 2 story went to a very predictable conclusion once you know how the plot will develop 3 hours into the game). I loved Part 2, but not because of its overarching themes about revenge and what not but about the journey both characters go through (if that makes sense).
TL;DR: I wouldn't mind Part 3 and I'm pretty sure it's coming after this one sells >15 million copies, but I don't think they will have a very interesting story to tell.
From a story perspective? I don't know. I definitely wouldn't mind playing as Abby again as long as the main protagonist continues to be Ellie. But whatever interesting story they could have told on Part 3 died when they killed Joel (hell, Part 2 story went to a very predictable conclusion once you know how the plot will develop 3 hours into the game). I loved Part 2, but not because of its overarching themes about revenge and what not but about the journey both characters go through (if that makes sense).
TL;DR: I wouldn't mind Part 3 and I'm pretty sure it's coming after this one sells >15 million copies, but I don't think they will have a very interesting story to tell.
With the way they treated Ellie in Part II, I can see Part III being about Abby or a new character and in one part of the game we find a body and then later find some notes that tell us what happened to Ellie after the ending of Part II and reveal that the body we saw was Ellie's.
Voted No.
I'm just not interested in seeing how much more miserable their lives can get.
I might be open to a new set of characters, in a different state though, but even then, the series just keep getting more depressing with every entry.
I'm just not interested in seeing how much more miserable their lives can get.
I might be open to a new set of characters, in a different state though, but even then, the series just keep getting more depressing with every entry.
Lol no, Neil has always said this is Ellie's story. Abby's arc is done, Ellie's isn't.
I'm in the exact same place as I was after the first game's ending.
I don't feel the need for a direct sequel. Part 2 was a complete package, just like its predecessor. I'm completely satisfied.
However, ND have managed to live up to the task of making a worthy sequel to one of the most critically-acclaimed game of all time. So whatever their next game is I'll instantly be on board. If there is a Part III, I'm 100% confident it'll be born from a great idea and not a desperate need for a sequel.
So basically I can't cast a vote with a poll like this.
I don't feel the need for a direct sequel. Part 2 was a complete package, just like its predecessor. I'm completely satisfied.
However, ND have managed to live up to the task of making a worthy sequel to one of the most critically-acclaimed game of all time. So whatever their next game is I'll instantly be on board. If there is a Part III, I'm 100% confident it'll be born from a great idea and not a desperate need for a sequel.
So basically I can't cast a vote with a poll like this.
Abby, and Ellie are basically the same. Not sure how you can root for one over the other.
I want an Ellie sequel to close the trilogy. I don't know if it's really needed at all, because how can you top that amazing part 2, but i'd be glad to see what they can cook.
Regarding Abby, i'd love to know more but the final scene tells us she managed to get to the fireflies so it's ok. She suffered a lot so my headcanon is she found purpose and lived happily with Lev in the fireflies HQ.
Regarding Abby, i'd love to know more but the final scene tells us she managed to get to the fireflies so it's ok. She suffered a lot so my headcanon is she found purpose and lived happily with Lev in the fireflies HQ.
Nah, it was worth making a sequel just to see Joel get his brains bashed in for the horrific crime against humanity that he committed.
They would be the same if Ellie had stayed at the farmhouse with the woman and the baby Abby spared a few hours after seeing the corpses Ellie made of Owen and Mel.
Forcing Abby to fight her barehanded by putting a knife to the throat of an innocent child who had just been crucified was beyond sickening.
I was in the "no" camp because I don't want Ellie to continue to suffer and just have a happy ending for once, but I wouldn't mind a third one after that part in Santa Barbara, California. It felt SO MUCH better being in Santa Barbara compared to Seattle and the Rattlers were so refreshing.
Yes please, I expect to see Abby come back in some way , the fireflies having another proper appearance and having a conflict with WLF (hey look instead of Ellie vs Abby it's FF vs WLF, that would be sort of lame). The issues of abby being branded a traitor but also not really being one... Ellie having to do what she did. Shit, have you read the notes left around the world about what the WLF did to people? They're just fireflies v2. I expect Ellie to sacrifice herself knowingly having a second chance at something she had no choice in before but this time, it's her choice; Dina etc won't want her to, but she will.
Yeah I really enjoyed that section, shame it was so short. The summer feel, the beach, how bright it was instead of drab city grey.
I'd love more in that area.
Yeah I really enjoyed that section, shame it was so short. The summer feel, the beach, how bright it was instead of drab city grey.
I'd love more in that area.
So was torturing another human being to death. Abby was also ready to kill Dina even after Ellie told her she was pregnant.
If it wasnt obvious, theyre both basically the same character just at different stages of the same journey.
Did you not pay attention to the game? Calling Ellie a psychopath when she is going through severe ptsd....yikes.