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Times when a character's personality suddenly got rewritten
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Luke Skywalker repeatedly tried to kill his father.
I think what it really comes down to is that some people were expecting a deified version of Luke Skywalker for the sequel trilogy. That after the character's initial struggle in the OT, they would have overcome their flaws completely and become a paragon type figure.
Instead, the ST fully rejected that entirely. Not only keeping Luke's flaws and inner conflicts, but pushing them to the furthest possible extreme. Resulting in probably the most challenging story you could ever really tell with the character.
But it is still Luke's flaws. Luke's inner conflicts. While I can understand those who felt TLJ went too far, I think it's very hard to really argue it isn't ultimately in character. Not without ignoring large chunks of Luke's character in the OT.
Looking back I'm probably viewing it from the perspective of having played the Shadow Broker dlc + romancing her where it all ties together better. I forgot that there's not a lot of context in the original base game. I know people who don't romance her have also felt like the game kind of 'forces' Liara on their Shepard at times and I've had to look at interactions with her differently because of that. I romance her every time so her loyalty to Shepard made sense in a way but I would imagine some of her actions come off as obsessive to a player who romanced someone else.
Re: Asari: I always thought the Asari stages of aging were weird even as a teenager but I forgot how each stage of their life is like...literal roles society see women as only belonging in lmao. Going back to Mass Effect via the remasters is going to be interesting.
Not really. Rey almost gives into the darkside multiple times in Episode 8. The difference is Episode 9 makes it less subtle.
That's fair. I am fine with calling it a "figuring out the character" as opposed to a full on rewrite. I mean, she didn't start as Lisa Simpson then become Homer or anything.
Tim Whatley in Seinfeld was basically a new character in nearly every one of his appearances, but that was kinda his character gimmick.
2 aside, to me 1 + 3-5 are pretty much in line, especially since he goes from 19 to 40 with things happening.
There are changes of course, but not that big.
I'd argue, what they did around Vergil from 3 to 5 with new background and basically dirtying him is the bigger change. But that's up for debate itself, since it depends on personal viewpoints.
yeah, the magical world arc was insanely long and had like a dozen sub arcs.
what followed was very rushed and you ended up with several cut arcs that were to follow as the author was trying to beat the implement of some new law that was anti ettchi/lolicon/etc.
Result was you had a sudden time skip and then that was it, no real ending. We didn't get a canon ending until several years later when UQ holder had it as a recap of what happened in the "asuna returns" timeline that's canon to negima, rather then the "asuna sleeps" timeline that UQ holder is based off.
Liara in Mass Effect. Troy in Community's pilot is a jock asshole then they reel it back and make him a loveable idiot
Sounds like a pretty messy ending. They didn't really ever specify the person who he ended up with did they? I think his granddaughter was there at some point near the start but never specified who her ancestor was aside from Negi. Wait, so is UQ holder sort of like a continuation in a different timeline?
Can u believe that there's a timeline where this dude would've been the answer because he was originally supposed to be replace the main actor:
"Who do we get to recast this actor who's is perfect as this incredibly wimpy nerdy character who uses sarcasm to make up for his lake of typical toxic masculinity?"
"Uh, a perfect human being who gives off the complete opposite energy?"
"Who do we get to recast this actor who's is perfect as this incredibly wimpy nerdy character who uses sarcasm to make up for his lake of typical toxic masculinity?"
"Uh, a perfect human being who gives off the complete opposite energy?"
She doesn't give in at all, that's the red herring is that she gets exposed to it but it has nothing to offer her. She's the polar opposite of Luke in that regard.
Strictly speaking these are different people (because they're from completely different historical eras!), but they're intended to be the same characters, if that makes sense.
In "The Black Adder":
Prince Edmund is largely an easily-manipulated fool.
Baldrick, his squire, is an intelligent schemer
In "Blackadder II", "Blackadder The Third" and "Blackadder Goes Forth" (along with sundry one-offs):
Lord Blackadder/ Mr E. Blackadder, Butler to the Prince Regent / Captain Blackadder is an intelligent schemer.
Baldrick / Baldrick / Private Baldrick is an easily-manipulated fool.
After the first series, the characters changed personalities. Their stations were always the same relative to one another, Edmund the superior, Baldrick the inferior, but the personalities completely flipped. Baldrick's trademarked "cunning plans" were actually reasonably effective in The Black Adder, but got increasingly ill-judged in later series.
Not unrelatedly, the series really hit the ground running from the second series onwards, with the first series seeming like a weird outlier. Interestingly the pilot, however, has smart Edmund / foolish Baldrick as we are used to from the later series - they got it right the very first time!
In "The Black Adder":
Prince Edmund is largely an easily-manipulated fool.
Baldrick, his squire, is an intelligent schemer
In "Blackadder II", "Blackadder The Third" and "Blackadder Goes Forth" (along with sundry one-offs):
Lord Blackadder/ Mr E. Blackadder, Butler to the Prince Regent / Captain Blackadder is an intelligent schemer.
Baldrick / Baldrick / Private Baldrick is an easily-manipulated fool.
After the first series, the characters changed personalities. Their stations were always the same relative to one another, Edmund the superior, Baldrick the inferior, but the personalities completely flipped. Baldrick's trademarked "cunning plans" were actually reasonably effective in The Black Adder, but got increasingly ill-judged in later series.
Not unrelatedly, the series really hit the ground running from the second series onwards, with the first series seeming like a weird outlier. Interestingly the pilot, however, has smart Edmund / foolish Baldrick as we are used to from the later series - they got it right the very first time!
What's frustrating is that Bakugo never gets much better. They simply reveal more to show why he's an asshole....but he's still an asshole.
Once Luke found out Vader was his dad, he tried to kill him repeatedly? We watched very different movies then. Because I remember him surrendering himself, repeatedly trying NOT to fight him even in the throne room, only snapping when his sister was mentioned, and still threw his own lightsaber to the side.
edit: He kept saying felt the good within him. Luke crazy, but he was right in the end.
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It's not hugely uncommon for a Doctor's personality to evolve over time, just noticeable quite how stark Twelfth's is.
TO be fair ,the manga does point that out so its canon in the story that he becomes a bit more lighthearted
As for my example ,I always found it wierd how Blu goes from being nice in the FOsters home pilot to being such a jerk the rest of the series
Pete Campbell in Mad Men.
There was a lot of praise of how organic his growth was during the show's run but I thought it was quite a sudden shift from his early scumbag self.
There was a lot of praise of how organic his growth was during the show's run but I thought it was quite a sudden shift from his early scumbag self.
You're confusing Luke Skywalker with Jin from the Tekken series.
Remember the pilot episode/movie of Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends where Bloo was not nearly as much of an asshole as he is in every episode afterwards?
Miguel O'Hara in the first volume of Spider-Man 2099.
At the end of the series when it was cancelled, a different writer took over and obviously could not be bothered to read a single damned word of what came before because instead of writing Miguel in character he wrote Miguel as Peter Parker. And believe me, Miguel is not Peter Parker, in costume or out. Even my stupid preteen self could tell the difference.
Luke is impulsive, especially when it comes to his loved ones.
In RotJ, at the mere mention of his sister, he goes absolutely nuts and wrecks Vader's shit before coming to his senses and stopping himself from killing him.
In TLJ, caught up in a vision of a future in which Kylo Ren kills all the loved ones, Luke pulls out his lightsaber before coming to his senses and stopping himself from killing him.
Seems pretty consistent to me.
At the end of the series when it was cancelled, a different writer took over and obviously could not be bothered to read a single damned word of what came before because instead of writing Miguel in character he wrote Miguel as Peter Parker. And believe me, Miguel is not Peter Parker, in costume or out. Even my stupid preteen self could tell the difference.
Luke is impulsive, especially when it comes to his loved ones.
In RotJ, at the mere mention of his sister, he goes absolutely nuts and wrecks Vader's shit before coming to his senses and stopping himself from killing him.
In TLJ, caught up in a vision of a future in which Kylo Ren kills all the loved ones, Luke pulls out his lightsaber before coming to his senses and stopping himself from killing him.
Seems pretty consistent to me.
yes, UQ holder states whom Negi finally ended up with who was pretty obvious from Negima's final few Chapters.
UQ holder is a direct sequel to one of the timelines established in Negima, that is the one where Asuna went to sleep for like 100 years and thus wasn't available for the fight against the mage of the beginning.
Chao had sent her back in time to when she went to sleep, allowing Asuna to effect the final battle in a new timeline. That's the one that's canon for negima.
In between snapping at the mention of his sister and throwing away his weapon, Luke tries to kill his father multiple times.
Whereas in the sequel trilogy Luke has a terrible thought for about two seconds, stops himself and feels ashamed.
So if anything he mellowed with age, lol.
Yeah, it's a perfectly natural throughline.
The vampire Lestat between the first and second books. Anne Rice retconned the shit out of him to make him a protagonist. It almost works, though it's easy enough to just push past it anyway.
Strictly speaking these are different people (because they're from completely different historical eras!), but they're intended to be the same characters, if that makes sense.
In "The Black Adder":
Prince Edmund is largely an easily-manipulated fool.
Baldrick, his squire, is an intelligent schemer
In "Blackadder II", "Blackadder The Third" and "Blackadder Goes Forth" (along with sundry one-offs):
Lord Blackadder/ Mr E. Blackadder, Butler to the Prince Regent / Captain Blackadder is an intelligent schemer.
Baldrick / Baldrick / Private Baldrick is an easily-manipulated fool.
After the first series, the characters changed personalities. Their stations were always the same relative to one another, Edmund the superior, Baldrick the inferior, but the personalities completely flipped. Baldrick's trademarked "cunning plans" were actually reasonably effective in The Black Adder, but got increasingly ill-judged in later series.
Not unrelatedly, the series really hit the ground running from the second series onwards, with the first series seeming like a weird outlier. Interestingly the pilot, however, has smart Edmund / foolish Baldrick as we are used to from the later series - they got it right the very first time!
If you watch the unaired pilot, blackadder's personality is in line with the rest of the series. He is a clever antihero. I assume they changed it because they were afraid Mr. Bean couldn't be taken too seriously.
Cordelia from Angel, even though they tried to make sense of the personality change, it still doesn't make sense, but we all know why now she had been written off so poorly like that.
Obligatory, fuck Joss Whedon that piece of shit of a human being.
Ratchet from Ratchet and Clank 1 is a completely different character from how he is in the series afterward. In 1 he's a kind of rough-around-the-edges mechanic, has no interest in being a hero or saving the galaxy, and has a lot of snark and a short temper. In the remake he's been fully retconned and is an almost literal boy scout.
I really liked the buddy cop dynamic he had with Clank in 1 but it took a long time for him to become more likable, his resentment of Clank over the Captain Qwark thing certainly took too long but I think it's a bit of a shame they dropped that personality flaws and all for the rest of the series. He's already much different as a person by 2.
I really liked the buddy cop dynamic he had with Clank in 1 but it took a long time for him to become more likable, his resentment of Clank over the Captain Qwark thing certainly took too long but I think it's a bit of a shame they dropped that personality flaws and all for the rest of the series. He's already much different as a person by 2.
Definitely Cordelia on Angel season 4.
Cordelia from Angel, even though they tried to make sense of the personality change, it still doesn't make sense, but we all know why now she had been written off so poorly like that.
Obligatory, fuck Joss Whedon that piece of shit of a human being.
Also Lindsey Graham after Trump became president lol
What isn't consistent is the circumstances?
In one instance, Luke is surrounded by the two biggest evils of that story and is actively being lured to the dark side. In the other instance, dude is sleeping and had a bad dream.
Ehhhh, that sounds kind of iffy right there. I guess you can count each strike in that short fight as a murder attempt. But usually in a fight, a person doesn't count each punch in a fight as getting beat up multiple times. You'd say they just got beat up. But whatever. We agree to disagree :)
1. No he didn't. One single time is being generous.
2. Vader is the second in command in an evil fascist regime.
3. Vader was only his "father" biologically. He didn't raise Luke and the 2 have little to no connection, unlike Ben who Luke had presumably watch grow up from a baby.
4. Vader was armed. Ben was sleeping.
Can people stop equating Vader and Ben now? I'll wager no one making this argument actually has a nephew.
Yeah I just finished watching all 3 seasons and he really became a prick after season one. But the whole show kind of changed after season one, which was a big shame.
Yeah I was super upset because season 1 showed such great promise.
Karen Traviss wrote Halo books? She wrote some Gears of War ones too. It's too bad the games ignore her books which were marketed as bridging the games.
Guy Gardner was the most confusing for me. I always knew him as this arrogant jerk character, but then I found this older Green Lantern comic where he was like a nice polite social worker or something. Super confusing.
I vaguely recall his personality change being due to brain damage or something like that, lol
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Daniel Craig Bond feels like a different franchise almost after what came before. Not a bad move to reinvigorate it and change up the tone, but with a long series that has a history of changing lead actors it does stand out as quite different.
I feel he is perhaps not horny or wisecracking enough to feel like the same Bond we'd known.
I feel he is perhaps not horny or wisecracking enough to feel like the same Bond we'd known.
I mean, Jim was kind of always that guy. Lest we forget the time he bought his parent's old house without Pam's input. Or before that, where he straight up relocated states to escape the awkwardness of getting shot down by Pam.
