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The Verge: Samsung announces new 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pros
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Oh no, they look similar.. but I guess I've been using Macs for a while because my immediate gutteral reaction to that image in the OP was not even once mistaking it for a MacBook.
they are posting from their samsung folds
it's hard to see on a busted screen so give them a break
What kind of imbecile judges other people for the notebook they use?
Remeniscient of those old chinese knockoff MacBooks from the aughts.
I'm not even an Apple fanboy, but the problem when copying or closely replicating Apple's signature design style is when you make small alterations or take liberties to get a specific feature onto it, it ends up looking worse than if you designed something yourself without a lot of "influence" and didn't try to hamfist those requirements into the design. It doesn't look "premium" it makes it look cheap and worse than it would have if you didnt try to to design something very close to Apple's design standard.
Like this button, either a power button, finger print reader, or something:
It looks bad, it looks out of place, it's a thin metal something when nothing else follows that pattern. You've got this smooth metal frame and then just... this oddly place thing in the middle of it. It looks worse than if you didn't try to replicate thee rest of the design and designed around this requirement.
Same thing with the huge bottom bezel, the weird blue button, and anything else. I'm sure the bezel is there because it's a big computer but the screen size is set to some specific aspect ratio, so to make everything line up they just make the bezel huge, but it looks weird, it looks like a mistake. THe blue button is probably Samsung's BIXBY button, or something, so they make this really consistently designed keyboard but then have this out of place weird blue button that is probably there just because some exec is like "How can we advertise our redundant, virtually-gauranteed-to-be-forgotten-and-replaced virtual assistant on all of our hardware?" Same with, IMO, the off-center track pad. I know the track pad is off center to line it up with the qwerty section of the keyboard, but there's a real Apple doesn't put numberpads on their keyboards, because you have to make design compromises to do it and it looks bad. Even if you get functionality by having a numberpad there, they make the decision that design symmetry or typing balance is better than the benefit of having redundant keys.
There's nothing really wrong with imitating something that has a signature, iconic design. It happens a lot. BUt if you're not that iconic designer, then the affordances you make end up making your product look worse than if you didn't try to capture that signature design. For instance, when Hyundai and Kia made those cars that looked a lot like a Jaguar S-type, a lot of people would see it and be like "... is that a jaguar...?" But then you'd look closer and realize, no, a budget Korean car trying to look a Jaguar, and it'd look worse than when Hyundai or Kia just designed their own cars.
IT's like "Ok... let's take the tapering shape of the Jaguar, the grill, the general design of the lights, the sculpted hood, ... oh, but we also need those shitty fog lamps... and we need a space for bumpers and we gotta get as much air into the engine as possible to keep it cool on a budget ... we're only paying our designers $9,000 year... so... MAKE IT WORK PEOPLE."
I'm not even an Apple fanboy, but the problem when copying or closely replicating Apple's signature design style is when you make small alterations or take liberties to get a specific feature onto it, it ends up looking worse than if you designed something yourself without a lot of "influence" and didn't try to hamfist those requirements into the design. It doesn't look "premium" it makes it look cheap and worse than it would have if you didnt try to to design something very close to Apple's design standard.
Like this button, either a power button, finger print reader, or something:
It looks bad, it looks out of place, it's a thin metal something when nothing else follows that pattern. You've got this smooth metal frame and then just... this oddly place thing in the middle of it. It looks worse than if you didn't try to replicate thee rest of the design and designed around this requirement.
Same thing with the huge bottom bezel, the weird blue button, and anything else. I'm sure the bezel is there because it's a big computer but the screen size is set to some specific aspect ratio, so to make everything line up they just make the bezel huge, but it looks weird, it looks like a mistake. THe blue button is probably Samsung's BIXBY button, or something, so they make this really consistently designed keyboard but then have this out of place weird blue button that is probably there just because some exec is like "How can we advertise our redundant, virtually-gauranteed-to-be-forgotten-and-replaced virtual assistant on all of our hardware?" Same with, IMO, the off-center track pad. I know the track pad is off center to line it up with the qwerty section of the keyboard, but there's a real Apple doesn't put numberpads on their keyboards, because you have to make design compromises to do it and it looks bad. Even if you get functionality by having a numberpad there, they make the decision that design symmetry or typing balance is better than the benefit of having redundant keys.
There's nothing really wrong with imitating something that has a signature, iconic design. It happens a lot. BUt if you're not that iconic designer, then the affordances you make end up making your product look worse than if you didn't try to capture that signature design. For instance, when Hyundai and Kia made those cars that looked a lot like a Jaguar S-type, a lot of people would see it and be like "... is that a jaguar...?" But then you'd look closer and realize, no, a budget Korean car trying to look a Jaguar, and it'd look worse than when Hyundai or Kia just designed their own cars.
IT's like "Ok... let's take the tapering shape of the Jaguar, the grill, the general design of the lights, the sculpted hood, ... oh, but we also need those shitty fog lamps... and we need a space for bumpers and we gotta get as much air into the engine as possible to keep it cool on a budget ... we're only paying our designers $9,000 year... so... MAKE IT WORK PEOPLE."
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The stupid thing about this is that the old Samsung 9-Series range of laptops was unique and gorgeous looking.
The "upside-down-T-shape" makes it easier to find the arrow keys even without looking at the keyboard. You just need to find the two large gaps (to the left and right of the up-arrow key) and you're there.
On the new models, the left-arrow key is the same shape and size as the option key. The only "haptic" indicator is the ridge between up and down-arrow.
It's no huge isse, but it's simply a worse key layout - imho.
What's with the trackpaid being off-center? It's a nonstandard choice so obviously it's being done very deliberately, but I don't know what the reason would be.
probably suggested by their lawyers for lawsuit protection for stealing another Apple design
I'm glad they took the time to switch the background to one that doesn't come pre-installed so they could make half the visual area the same to reinforce their bullshit comparison.
I fucking hate the verge.
I fucking hate the verge.
it's so the trackpad is aligned with the main keyboard rather than the keyboard + numpad.
of course, it also looks like shit, and numpads are hideous
Aren't all the images in the Verge article from the official press release?
Oh my god people this person is not using a MacBook™?! Someone quickly call the tech cops on this disgrace and get them out of my sight!
Seriously though if someone is actually judging others because they are using a HP, Lenovo or whatever laptop on a freaking coffee shop I honestly hope they seek professional help.
They do look similar, particularly if you're comparing to the 2012 MBP line (which was a great year for MBPs).
I like the number pad addition.
I like the number pad addition.
What background is "switched"? - The Verge is using official Samsung promo shots for the Notebook 7.
They do look similar, but that is a pretty immature headline. The Verge gonna The Verge I guess..
Samsung defenders have always done that, even though these tactics been a big part of the company's history.
What's odder is that Samsung (at least in its current form) has at least proven itself capable of doing their own unique thing that draws consumers and sticks, so this is not all that needed.
I don't think anyone is claiming it doesn't look similar, just that there are enough design cues that Apple would never touch.
Every boutique notebook looks ostensibly like a Macbook these days, so it's the small details that make the big differences.
Going to jump in this thread and ask, whats the best 13 inch laptop on the market at the moment?
I'll be in hospital placements from september onwards and would prefer a smaller laptop to take around.
I'll be in hospital placements from september onwards and would prefer a smaller laptop to take around.
So you've had a hands-on already? Wow, tell me how badly these new models performed.