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Nov 20, 2017
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OP NOTE: This basically seems like Putin's carving a way to be dictator for life, similar to Xi what did in China, by transferring Presidential powers to the Prime Minister role (his Presidential term expires 2024). The cabinet resigning is simply to facilitate the recalibration of powers.



President Vladimir Putin proposed Wednesday tweaking the Russian Constitution to increase the powers of parliament and the Cabinet, a move that could herald his intention to take a political position that would let him stay at the helm after his presidency ends.

During his state of the nation address, Putin suggested amending the constitution to allow lawmakers to name prime ministers and Cabinet members. The authority to make those appointments currently belongs to Russia's president.

"It will increase the role of parliament and parliamentary parties, powers and independence of the prime minister and all Cabinet members," Putin told an audience of top officials and lawmakers.

Putin emphasized that constitutional changes must be put to a nationwide vote.

Putin's current term expires in 2024, and Russia's political elites have been abuzz with speculation about his future plans.

The 67-year-old Putin has remained at the helm for more than 20 years — longer than any other Russian or Soviet leader since Josef Stalin. He will have to step down after his term ends under the current law, which limits the president to two consecutive terms.

Political analyst Kirill Rogov said that Putin's proposals indicate his intention to remain in charge while re-distributing powers between various branches of government.

"Such a model resembling the Chinese one would allow Putin to stay at the helm indefinitely while encouraging rivalry between potential successors," Rogov said on Facebook.
 
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anastiel

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Putin also said that he plans to create a position of the deputy secretary of Russia's security council, and offer it to Medvedev.
 

Polk

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Oct 26, 2017
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Weaken the president? It's his last term so he will become PM once again?
 

Geoff

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Oct 27, 2017
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Where are we on the scale of one to ten where one is 'look at this it's fucking nothing" and ten is 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall stop everything and watch the news for the next week?
 

anastiel

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sprsk

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Oct 25, 2017
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Where are we on the scale of one to ten where one is 'look at this it's fucking nothing" and ten is 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall stop everything and watch the news for the next week?

From what I can gather this is more of a Putin trying to consolidate power move than a gesture of mass protest. I may be wrong though!
 
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Nov 20, 2017
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Updated with more info. This basically seems like he's carving a way to be dictator for life, similar to Xi what did in China.
 

Odesu

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Oct 26, 2017
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Where are we on the scale of one to ten where one is 'look at this it's fucking nothing" and ten is 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall stop everything and watch the news for the next week?

This is a move by Putin to keep himself in Power after 2024. He steps down from his position as president then so he now weakens the position of the president so that he can have the same power over the government in the new role he will very likely take in 2024.
 

poklane

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Oct 25, 2017
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Putin was always gonna get rid of/increase the consecutive term limits or change who holds what power so he can just change position and yet hold almost if not all the power he currently holds as president. Looks like he chose option #2
 

Deleted member 22750

Oct 28, 2017
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If trump wins expect him to try something in 2024 to keep power.

shit is fucking crazy
 

Geoff

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is a move by Putin to keep himself in Power after 2024. He steps down from his position as president then so he now weakens the position of the president so that he can have the same power over the government in the new role he will very likely take in 2024.

Hasn't he already done the ol' president/prime minister switcheroo at least once already?

Are the resignations in protest against his actions or just part of the process?
 

Maquiladora

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Nov 16, 2017
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Weaken the president? It's his last term so he will become PM once again?

Basically, yes. Weaken the power of the President and increase the powers of the Prime Minister. After 2024 when his term as President is over he can then become Prime Minister with increased powers and the role of President may be largely symbolic. It's a way of staying in power for life.
 

Deleted member 9241

Oct 26, 2017
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The mount of dirt and corruption surrounding Putin is going to be amazing to read about once he's dead.
 
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The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think some people could read the title and come away thinking that Medvedev, a long time lapdog of Putin, is resigning in protest. He's not.

Those who are cynical of Putin in Russia see this as a way to keep Putin in power without having to rewrite the Russian constitution's limits on presidential terms. Currently, a Russian president can only serve for 2 consecutive terms, which Putin did and then he essentially appointed Medvedev as president for one term (opposition to Medvedev were widely jailed or given trumped up charges so they weren't allowed to run), created the position of Prime Minister which Putin occupied for one presidential term, and then Putin returned as president after Medvedev served one term. The idea this time around is that by Medvedev resigning the post of Prime Minister, Putin could remake it as an influential position in the country, his allies in Parliament would then "Democratically" vote him in as PRime Minister when his final term as president ends, and some other sinecure would move into the position of President. Should there actually be a legitimate challenger in the presidential position who is not one of Putin's allies -- which is a near impossibility to think of today -- the Prime Minister would end up having more influence than the President.

How can Russians tolerate this?

About 100 years of government-orchestrated disinformation, a perpetually nihilist world view espoused by the Russian government, and the factual reality that ordinary life in Russia under Putin has been better than ordinary life in the Soviet Union and arguably under Yeltsin as Russia transitioned into a modern economy (this is important too, while elections are rigged in Russia, Putin is popular because the older generation just has to look back 35 years to bread lines and empty store shelves, the younger generation just has to look back to the chaos of the 1990s, and the youngest generation only has government nihilism). But, chiefly those first two. For about 20 years in Russia Putin has crafted a reality where there is no truth; it was the mindset of the KGB in the Soviet Union, the mindset of the newly rebuilt FSB once the Soviet Union collapsed, and he's spread that throughout Russia over the last 20 years. Garry Kasparov tells the anecdote about how Russians in the Soviet Union read the newspaper back to front, because the back pages were where real truth was reported, and the front pages was the official Communist Party propaganda. Today, nobody bothers to read the newspaper because there isn't a single version of the truth presented in it.

For what it's worth, Donald Trump runs his White House press briefings similarly. It's not just that Trump's press briefings are regularly filled with lies, it's that tomorrow's lies will undermine the lies from the day before, with the goal being that nobody knows what to believe and nobody thinks that there's any valid truth. The goal is nihilism.


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I wanted to add a caveat to my point about how ordinary life is better in Russia than it was in the Soviet Union and under Yeltsin. It is better if you are an ethnic Russian, and if you are not an ethnic Russian then life is not better and worse in different ways. I don't want to give the impression that, say, Chechens have a better life in Russia today under Putin, or any other ethnic and religious groups in Russia that are frequent targets of police violence.
 
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DrROBschiz

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Now the picture is coming into clearer view

Disgusting

The Russian people are going to suffer the most from this
 

Maquiladora

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Nov 16, 2017
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Where are we on the scale of one to ten where one is 'look at this it's fucking nothing" and ten is 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall stop everything and watch the news for the next week?

It's kinda 1. We always knew that Putin was going to make some kind of constitutional changes to allow him to stay in power for life. Now we are seeing how he will do it.

The resignation of government is not some kind of mass protest. They are resigning because Putin told them to. It's part of the process of enacting these changes of power.
 

Kizuna

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Oct 27, 2017
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Where are we on the scale of one to ten where one is 'look at this it's fucking nothing" and ten is 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall stop everything and watch the news for the next week?
A solid 3.
It means that the reconfiguration of the system of government over here has officially begun. The trajectories are laid out - Putin will transition to being the head of a collective organ that oversees all decisions (Gossovet), the President will be largely divested of their current powers and the parliament may play a bigger role compared to now. The Constitutional Xourt will get a ton of new powers.
In short, the system evolves in order to stay the same.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's honestly a pretty smart move? An obvious power grabbing evil one, but smart nonetheless.
On its face it looks less evil than just removing the bit that stops him running again, in practice he gets the same result. On its face it makes sense to reduce the power of the presidency in situations like Russia where the President has too much power and can and does get away with some disgusting stuff but then obviously he's only doing it to move that same power he can abuse into another role that he can be 'elected' into.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Where are we on the scale of one to ten where one is 'look at this it's fucking nothing" and ten is 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall stop everything and watch the news for the next week?

It's a -1. This is maintaining the status quo in Russia. Medvedev is resigning so that Putin can plan to either stay in power beyond 2024 or groom his successor to be named to Prime Minister by the corrupt Parliament first, and then be "democratically" elected President.

Dimitri Medvedev has no power in Russia, him resigning at Putin's request so that the power of President & Prime Minister can be readjusted to benefit Putin and his allies (of which Medvedev is one) is not remarkable. The thread title gives the impression that this is something that it isn't.
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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If trump wins expect him to try something in 2024 to keep power.

shit is fucking crazy

Trump's way to power past his presidency is through Ivanka and Don Jr running for President. It would also allow him to keep doing his dumb ass fucking rallies for the rest of his miserable life.
 
OP
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Nov 20, 2017
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It's a -1. This is maintaining the status quo in Russia. Medvedev is resigning so that Putin can plan to either stay in power beyond 2024 or groom his successor to be named to Prime Minister by the corrupt Parliament first, and then be "democratically" elected President.

Dimitri Medvedev has no power in Russia, him resigning at Putin's request so that the power of President & Prime Minister can be readjusted to benefit Putin and his allies (of which Medvedev is one) is not remarkable. The thread title gives the impression that this is something that it isn't.

Yeah I'd edit the thread title for clarity, but this was posted when we only had the breaking news for reference.