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The Rise of Skywalker (2019) social media impressions
- Thread starter Cross-Section
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This thread is giving me heart palpitations. I gotta step back.
This is such a generic reaction to any Disney movie these days lol
I want to discuss the post you quoted as well, I agree with that post. I feel the ST is treating Luke like they did Obi or Yoda, just some mentor side character that they could use in any way to advance the plot. The difference is Obi and Yoda were new characters, Luke is not, Luke comes with him history, an entire series of character development that they don't really address. You are telling me he is the same rash impulsive guy he was 30 years ago. 30 years of Jedi training and he learned nothing? Basically he regressed?
I'm all for character flaws and in general I liked his arch in TLJ but I don't think they gave proper context as to why we were there in the first place. Like so much of this sequel trilogy everything is hidden from us, character backstories that could help us connect to characters are purposefully hidden for who knows what, cause I guess JJ likes mysteries. Kylo Ren could be a far far more dynamic character if we see even a minute of who he was before Snoke corrupted him, instead he is completely unsympathetic because all we know of him is an evil twat. Luke is a disgraced Jedi, it would be more interesting to see how he got there than just trying to fill in the blanks as we go.
In ROTJ Luke starts off very over confident and headstrong. His plan to save Han is basically "free us or die" that's not very Jedi like. He visits Yoda under the assumption that he is a Jedi "then I am a Jedi...", Yoda corrects him that he still needs to battle his father and the emperor only then "a Jedi will you be". Luke still has his moments of anger fueled by the ones he loves, the same issue anakin had, the difference is Luke finally catches himself and learns the lesson a Jedi uses his power for peace, only for defense. He throws away his lightsaber and at that moment he is a Jedi having over come his emotions and learning the lessons Yoda taught.
In TLJ he slips back to who he was before that moment meaning not only did he learn nothing in 30 years but he regressed. And that's fine that could happen to people but it is usually explained. A dark lord slowly corrupting your nephew and you not being able to stop it might drive you to that point but SHOW that, or at the very least talk about that. Don't just cut to a moment of weakness, hell a moment that's a misunderstanding. If I have a misunderstanding I try to correct it I don't hide in shame from it. I just don't buy it for his character.
yet I still enjoy how he finds his way back. The final display an amazing show of force and great moment. But I completely disagree in killing him, I feel he had so much more potential in this story.Can someone tell me what would change if the power simply knocked him out rather than kill him, does the story really change? And now we have Luke to play with in future stories which I feel would make it far richer. But I gusss Rey can never have the spotlight if Luke is still around.
She is, but people were treating her like she was the second coming of Jar Jar. Like, she has some cheesy lines, but she's no where near the level of awfulness that Jar Jar occupies with his roommate, Scrappy-Doo.
There seems to be a very sharp divide in opinion between New York and LA-based critics. I'm honestly wondering if the weather is playing a factor because I would not be happy if I had to trudge to a screening today in NYC.
Seems to be heading that way. TLJ was a critic darling and everyone is saying this movie flies in the face of that, add in a heap of fanservice--this result should not be surprising. It makes me more excited to see the movie though, to be frank
Endgame's fanservice is largely in service of a story that'd been pretty carefully planned to that point (which is in rather stark contrast to the sequel trilogy). There's nothing wrong with fanservice, but when that's all a movie has propping it up, yeah, it's a negative.
Idk if that's the case here, as I haven't seen the movie, but I could buy it.
It's werid. I'm still checking for impressions, but LA critics seems a bit more positive than the ones in New York
I wouldn't describe it as such a binary like that. Lukes final stand was hope. That hope could be interpreted in many different ways but I wouldn't paint Luke as a war hawk in TLJ.
Rose isn't a character I particularly cared for in TLJ, but the treatment of KMT is disappointing to read about. I was hoping they would do something more interesting with her character.
Yeah, I'm all for more representation in movies, but I didn't find her and Finn's arc in TLJ particularly compelling. Someone earlier compared her to Lando, but I don't think her character came close to his. I thought she did a good job acting with what she was given, but the plot didn't do it for me.
i realy don't think it will be a problem if the negatives are that it doesn't respect tlj. for real.
I can not believe I am going to have to defend a Marvel movie here but Endgame's fanservice fit the story they were telling
Rose was one of my favorite parts of TLJ, so this is especially heartbreaking for me. Especially after being put through hell following TLJ
She's great. But honestly, the closing of her arc in TLJ is one of my only critiques of that movie. I think it wastes her potential at the service of Finn's arc.
I think a lot of people unfairly apply their general dislike of the Canto Bite storyline to the Rose character.
Btw, Pablo Hidalgo gave the film 2/5 stars on Letterboxd. He's one of the Lucas Story Team guys.
He gave the other films this:
R1: 5 stars
TLJ: 4 stars
Solo: 3 stars
TFA: 2 stars
He gave the other films this:
R1: 5 stars
TLJ: 4 stars
Solo: 3 stars
TFA: 2 stars
Im not going to lie, as much as I enjoy watching a good ol' Star Wars flick, watching the internet fandom meltdowns gives me hours of more entertainment
So bring it on! Cant wait to see it, and can't wait to read about how its absolutely trash, pissed on childhoods, clubs baby seals, kicks puppies, and hates freedom.
So bring it on! Cant wait to see it, and can't wait to read about how its absolutely trash, pissed on childhoods, clubs baby seals, kicks puppies, and hates freedom.
Going to need receipts on that because uh that's pretty wild to post to a public account.
I guess it's hard to nail a trilogy. TFA and TLJ set the review bar really high and I was optimistic, but these impressions have defeated me.
He dies because his legend is more important to the resistance than he is as a flawed human being.
I also kind of think Rian was setting up Luke to haunt Kylo in episode 9 as some sort of force ghost. I dunno if JJ has done anything like that.
What
no fucking way LF would let an employee publically post that
The thing is...if her material wasn't great, then why not just give her better or different material? I'm not directing this at you, by the way, but it makes me sick to see people actually happy that her character (and role as an actor) was reduced due to someone else's writing (Rian's) in a script. It's like how people personally attack actors (including her!) on social media for the actions of their characters. It's horrible.
I'm talking about the people you referenced who equate her to Jar Jar. Having recently watched the perquels, that's an insane exaggeration IMO
