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The Last of Us Part II - Spoiler Thread
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Finally, someone parodied the meme correctly. I would have shopped this myself but a hero emerged. Abby played college ball, you know?
He is called Armstrong because
Bravo Platinum. We will flog this game into the ground before it comes out...
He is called Armstrong because
he has Strong Arms.
I don't get why eveyone is saying we play as Abby half game, if we look at the chapters, Ellie's chapters are way longer than Abby's, I expect like 3/4 Ellie, 1/4 Abby if the duration is like in the first one or even longer. Also I think there only one Abby-Ellie fight (the leaked cutscene) adn the one where Ellie leaves Dina is before, and in the middle of the search for Abby, Dina shows up. I really don't know what the time we see under the screen means, but if is the play time, Ellie leaving Dina happens like 5 hours before the fight.
i actually like the plot bc even with the twist we could see, is still being confusing af and I'm dying to see how, when, where and why all happens. The only thing in not convincing for me is Abby being a playable character (prefer Dina) but if is only a few short chapters so see her story, I'm fine with that, may be interesting.
i actually like the plot bc even with the twist we could see, is still being confusing af and I'm dying to see how, when, where and why all happens. The only thing in not convincing for me is Abby being a playable character (prefer Dina) but if is only a few short chapters so see her story, I'm fine with that, may be interesting.
What, that was in self-defense
I wonder if they're going to try and draw a moral equivalence between Joel and Abby and if it will work. Yeah, Joel's actions in the hospital are pretty horrific, but his motivation was still to save someone he loved. Pure revenge for revenge's sake is far less sympathetic or understandable imo.
Ehhh I think going after your fathers murderer is a pretty good reason. Plenty of stories are about a protagonist seeking revenge. We don't even know if she has context for why Joel killed her father. Plus he did murder multiple other people she could have known such as Marlene which again was his most cold blooded murder.
We have no idea where this story will go but if the theme is about the cycle of violence I do wonder if eventually Abby will become unsympathetic to the story. I know she already will be to players because even I'm not delusional enough to believe most people won't be outraged about Joel dying. It would be more interesting for Ellie to break the cycle than Abby since Ellie is the character that we will be following the most.
Anyway I like that Joels actions triggered it's own cycle. Joel kills Abby's father -> Abby kills Joel who is the father figure to Ellie --> Ellie wants to kill Abby and her entire crew. If the cycle does break with Abby and Ellie I don't think it will be Ellie realizing Joel was some monster and viewing him in a horrible light. Most likely she will struggle(like players) to accept his actions were awful because she loves him and will eventually come to terms with the idea that what he did was wrong but she knows he did it for her sake.
Yeah, at this point I'm not sure if I even want to play a game this dark and bleak.
I think it will depend on how effective the writers are able to convey Abby's loss in a way that resonates with players. That's going to be a challenge because it's competing with a character that has a built in fan base. Coupled with the fact that the first game's prologue provided the insight into Joel's loss.
I'm not so sure that ND's wants to get their fans behind Abby, but if their goal is to provide equal moral jusfication they will have to make Abby's loss matter as much as Joel's, and that's going to be difficult to do for a character they are introducing to the player with none of the fan investment that Joel has and because the person she's avenging is a nobody individual from the standpoint of the first game. And because Druckmann had not yet decided on making the sequel, the doctors that the player (playing as Joel) kills are in effect nothing more than expendable npc's.
It's possible that ND may fill in those blanks during Abby's story, but that probably won't quell bitter sentiment from those who are heavily invested in the Joel character even if the circumstances were switched where Joel was avenging a lost brother or even a his wife and Abby was avenging a child (perhaps her child).
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But that was self defense lol. Plus he was already infected.
Joel´s kill count in only the cutscenes is very low. Especially if you consider that the game covers one whole year. Probably under 10 and gameplay is what it is with action video games. Mostly. It´s his demeanor and the repeated talks about him being a raider in the past that made the ending to the game inevitable. The point that he used to ambush and kill random people is made rather clearly.
But let´s say that Joel was just your average anti-hero and look the other way every chance we get. We are still left with an IP where bad things happen to good people:
Giving the protagonists plot armor is about the worst thing you can do with horror. Look up how many famous horror protagonists died in their own series. It´s quite the list. TLoU now got to join the big leagues.
But let´s say that Joel was just your average anti-hero and look the other way every chance we get. We are still left with an IP where bad things happen to good people:
Giving the protagonists plot armor is about the worst thing you can do with horror. Look up how many famous horror protagonists died in their own series. It´s quite the list. TLoU now got to join the big leagues.
I think I'm the only person who feels it's a mistake to make the HBO show based around pre-existing characters. But ok. I'd want a blank slate if I were in charge of showrunning.
It just feels like they killed him off too soon? We are only in the second game for gods sake.Joel´s kill count in only the cutscenes is very low. Especially if you consider that the game covers one whole year. Probably under 10 and gameplay is what it is with action video games. Mostly. It´s his demeanor and the repeated talks about him being a raider in the past that made the ending to the game inevitable. The point that he used to ambush and kill random people is made rather clearly.
But let´s say that Joel was just your average anti-hero and look the other way every chance we get. We are still left with an IP where bad things happen to good people:
Giving the protagonists plot armor is about the worst thing you can do with horror. Look up how many famous horror protagonists died in their own series. It´s quite the list. TLoU now got to join the big leagues.
At least wait until the third game before killing him off.
Well yeah, but usually in these sorts of stories the object of revenge is portrayed as generally evil:
Like there is good reason to stop them beyond just pure revenge. In his day to day life in Jackson, Joel isn't really hurting anyone I imagine.
Can't wait for this thing to be out to see an enormous amount of crows served to a lot of people.
A thought experiment. The original game´s wikia entry lists 10 characters as the major players of the first game: https://thelastofus.fandom.com/wiki/The_Last_of_Us
Let´s also add Riley due to the DLC being kind of important and she is in the prequel comic. 7/11 die, not counting Joel. A 64% death rate.
I never want to hear how this sequel´s half-revealed bullet point plot breakdown is too bleak.
The virtuous hero protagonist of A Nightmare on Elm Street dies in her second appearance in the series (film 3). What we have here ain´t new and it´s a miracle Joel survived the original Vito. That was my biggest surprise back in 2013. Not him being kinda evil, not the kill the cat moment in the opening. It was him walking away from being impaled. The way it is presented works and it´s nice that the game isn´t just The Road - The Game due to that so I ain´t complaining. But his plot is done. 110% done. His "student" even got to live long enough to naturally become the master. What else can he do now besides guarding his family? The poor guy simply got too old to perform the golf minigame button prompt.
Let´s also add Riley due to the DLC being kind of important and she is in the prequel comic. 7/11 die, not counting Joel. A 64% death rate.
I never want to hear how this sequel´s half-revealed bullet point plot breakdown is too bleak.
The virtuous hero protagonist of A Nightmare on Elm Street dies in her second appearance in the series (film 3). What we have here ain´t new and it´s a miracle Joel survived the original Vito. That was my biggest surprise back in 2013. Not him being kinda evil, not the kill the cat moment in the opening. It was him walking away from being impaled. The way it is presented works and it´s nice that the game isn´t just The Road - The Game due to that so I ain´t complaining. But his plot is done. 110% done. His "student" even got to live long enough to naturally become the master. What else can he do now besides guarding his family? The poor guy simply got too old to perform the golf minigame button prompt.
Negan didn't kill Rick, tho
Glen was an important side character, but he wasnt as important to the story as Rick. It would be like killing Tommy, for example. Not Joel.
Imagine Negan killing Rick and then keeping half of the whole season from his point of view
What Naughty Dog is trying to pull here is really freaking brave. I have never seen such redemption arc in media, not like this.
I honestly dont know how they are going to pull it off. I dont see myself being attached to Abby as much as I am to Joel or Ellie.
But lets wait and see, but optimistic I'm not
ND fans are reading the tea leaves and collectively convincing themselves that actually they hated Joel all along.
Yeah. Or you know maybe I always had a problem with him? If anything the people like me who hate Joel are in the minority here so I don't know what kind of "oh it's fanboys" bs you're trying to pull here.
The protagonist of my favorite IP! Here in color:
He then wipes out a whole unit of guards who are technically on his side of the war to hide his tracks. I don´t want to hear anything about "accidents". He went on an assasination mission to kill a member of the royal house he works for. Abby is a saint so far.
Most people like Joel but there were some that dislike him and they others like me that don't hate or like him .
I always knew he was going to die in this game but the way how they do it is much more interesting than i though they would .
A literal nobody kills Rick in the comics. I found that extremely ballsy, and utterly dumb.
That's a massive slippery slope. There are characters who have done horrible things, but that hardly justifies what others, in other media, do. I can't understand thinking that Abby is a saint after that scene with Dina, when Abby finds out she's pregnant. She's as far from a saint as you can get. I don't think even Joel ever got this bloodlusty in the first game. Not even in the torture scene.
Yes but abby was able to pull back her self even if it was with the help of lev .
I rather a person say something when they angry \heat of the moment and let me live than be okay and kill me lol.
The fact that Abby let 2 characters who almost kill her go shows that she not that crazy \blood lusty.
Except we know that Joel is a serial killer of random people as that is hard-baked into his spelled out backstory. These are fictional people Joey Ravn. I am allowed to understand what motivates them and I still have to see Abby doing something devoid of any humanity. She decides to let Ellie go in the scene we have so far and Dina gets to live because she is pregnant. Joel isn´t what I would call "bloodthirsty", I´ll give you that. He kills without emotion. The game made that VERY clear.
There are endless examples of false protagonists, having player one and two having to kill each other at the end and whatnot but you killing a previous protagonist in a followup is rarely seen in games. A famous example is GTA V, in an introductory sequence no less, but what else do we have? A few more:
Edit: It´s a total cliche then and these are only games I personally finished. I am also counting Tekken 2 due to it having a canon "plot". Lol. I ain´t counting RE: ORC. It´s not canon due to that very premise. The stunts Capcom pulled... and I honestly don´t know what to say about the Mega Man games that let you do this. Metal Gear is also out of the running as these prequels all came out later. Fuck Punished Venom btw. I lastly don´t remember what even happens in CoD: MW 3 but I remember killing someone important.
There are endless examples of false protagonists, having player one and two having to kill each other at the end and whatnot but you killing a previous protagonist in a followup is rarely seen in games. A famous example is GTA V, in an introductory sequence no less, but what else do we have? A few more:
Assassin's Creed Rogue, Baldur's Gate 2 has you kill previous party members, Borderlands 3, possible in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Contra: Shattered Soldier (so that´s who I killed!), possible in Deus Ex: Invisible War, Diablo 2, possible in Drakengard 2, F3AR... kind of, the Legacy of Kain IP should at least be noted, Mafia 2, Prototype 2, Resistance 3, The 3rd Birthday... kind of (fuck this game).
Edit: It´s a total cliche then and these are only games I personally finished. I am also counting Tekken 2 due to it having a canon "plot". Lol. I ain´t counting RE: ORC. It´s not canon due to that very premise. The stunts Capcom pulled... and I honestly don´t know what to say about the Mega Man games that let you do this. Metal Gear is also out of the running as these prequels all came out later. Fuck Punished Venom btw. I lastly don´t remember what even happens in CoD: MW 3 but I remember killing someone important.
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I don't think anyone is particularly surprised or upset that Joel dies.
Well, I'm here cause I got spoiled over people on twitter complaining about character design or some stupid shit ._ . I should have been more careful but tbf I got spoiled off guard and well played to the person just including a characters death half way through a sentence that was completely inconspicuous.
Interesting, shit is still leaking, at this rate how much will be leaked by the time the game comes out.
I was actually thinking as pissed as people are about Joel I could nly imagine what'd happen if he died like that.
Would have been amazing.
but by the time she does realize that.....Ellie would have murdered how many kids parents? It's dumb, Abby will be as guilty as Joel by the end of this game as well. It's basically hate-porn the game.
At what rate? We only have small clips, the game will probably be 20-30 hours long.
People are upset about the why/how/when, and what happens afterwards (Playing as Abby). If the spoiler was "Joel dies in a heroic self-sacrifice at the very end of the game", I doubt anyone would be that upset.
Well, crap. That hour-and-half video confirmed my worst fears. Ellie just leaves Dina at the end of this game. In the epilogue you play as Joel in a flashback where he tells Tommy what happened with the Fireflies.
Which means we have a clear sequel set up.
I just wanted Ellie to go back to Dina. :(
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What new stuff leak ?
What Joel alive ?
There's a hour and a half long video? Time for me to leave, don't want everything to get spoiled to me.
Yeah, it's bad. The best meme continues to be the Golf game shop.
Just looked that up, holy shit its like a mirror version of this website.
Interesting and there was no way Ellie was going back to Dina, not after hours of going on a murder spree. She is still just a kid. Her mind can't handle that shit.
I would start refreshing Twitter, it will be all over it eventually
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