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Two scenes I can't seem to get out of my head. The fight between Abby and Ellie the first time when you're actively choking her and also when she's pounding her face in and you see Ellie's eyes roll back. And also the scene after Ellie kills Nora. I felt for Ellie in this game in a way I've never felt for a video game character. Bravo ND.
I think I'm going to agree with others and say that I think I enjoyed the second section of the game more than the first now that I've thought about it. Abby has so many memorable moments and encounters like the Rat King and the whole island sequence and I remember for much of her section I was just glued to the TV screen and eager to see what would happen next.
I just realized something and I'm sure I'm gonna sounds like a clueless idiot because 99% of people probably realized this immediately, but when Owen is bleeding out he tried to say that Mel is pregnant, wasn't he?
Torturing a man and then bashing his head in sure is virtuous
When Ellie and Dina break up, that scene broke me. Ellie had a happy life and everything, but she was still stuck in Seattle :(
Eh even if the revenge was justified in her eyes, torturing a man is a big no-no.
That was my assumption too. After that Ellie goes over and check's Mel's stomach.
As a person yes, as a character nah lol. Although ND managing to get me to care for the woman that bashed Joel's face in was incredible.
Since i can't quote you last post since the thread lock lol .
But Abby having a peace of mind is also one of the reason what she warm up to lev so fast .
We bike! Thank you for the new thread.
While replaying the game and getting my thoughts together I have found a deep love for the way flashbacks, and Joel was handled throughout this game. After the inciting incident, the death of Joel, we are given an influx of flashbacks showing the development of his relationship with Ellie throughout the game. As I began to analyze the structure of this game, I found this to be one of many choices that gave greater weight to these story-beats. We're able to have even more valuable time with Joel, and get to see how Ellie and Joel's relationship strained after the events of TLOU1.
Without this structure I don't think the emotionally shattering ending is even possible. These flashbacks - these memories that Ellie and the player are experiencing coincide with Ellie's own psyche. I don't think Ellie's forgiveness of Joel, and in return her ability to end her conquest of vengeance is nearly as fully realized possible without this.
While replaying the game and getting my thoughts together I have found a deep love for the way flashbacks, and Joel was handled throughout this game. After the inciting incident, the death of Joel, we are given an influx of flashbacks showing the development of his relationship with Ellie throughout the game. As I began to analyze the structure of this game, I found this to be one of many choices that gave greater weight to these story-beats. We're able to have even more valuable time with Joel, and get to see how Ellie and Joel's relationship strained after the events of TLOU1.
Without this structure I don't think the emotionally shattering ending is even possible. These flashbacks - these memories that Ellie and the player are experiencing coincide with Ellie's own psyche. I don't think Ellie's forgiveness of Joel, and in return her ability to end her conquest of vengeance is nearly as fully realized possible without this.
The game was at its best for me when you were just out in the world among your companions. Its the chemistry between characters that make naughty dog game special for me. The Museum flashback and Aquarium scenes in particular were remarkably well done.
Having Ellie as a boss battle was a stroke of genius - that should have been how the game ended.
On the negative side, i felt the whole Wolfs vs Scars backdrop dragged the game away from its grounded roots. They clearly wanted a more "epic" feel but that never worked for me. There were too many scripted gameplay sequences out of the Uncharted playbook that felt out of place here.
The game ending on such a down note was a bit of a bummer too. I was hoping of a least a hint of redemption for either of them. Ellie approaching the Jackson gates for example would offer some hope for a return to normality while keeping things open ended.
Having Ellie as a boss battle was a stroke of genius - that should have been how the game ended.
On the negative side, i felt the whole Wolfs vs Scars backdrop dragged the game away from its grounded roots. They clearly wanted a more "epic" feel but that never worked for me. There were too many scripted gameplay sequences out of the Uncharted playbook that felt out of place here.
The game ending on such a down note was a bit of a bummer too. I was hoping of a least a hint of redemption for either of them. Ellie approaching the Jackson gates for example would offer some hope for a return to normality while keeping things open ended.
In the old thread, I said this about why Abby went to far to help Lev and Yara:
1. They saved Abby, but Abby also helped them escape so this might not be enough because it makes them "even".
2. Abby knows what its like to be a kid and to be displaced from your community with nowhere to go (like when the Fireflies fell apart).
3. Abby was a firefly before, and her dialogue with Owen suggests she feels that they have strayed from their path. Since fireflies are supposed to be the TLOU "good guys", maybe she felt she that urge to live up to her father's ideals- especially considering her nightmare is framed by her father's death.
I would have loved a journal for Abby as well to illustrate her own mental state though, I thought it was a great addition for Ellie.
Anyone have anything to add? Because its the only part of the story I'm kinda unsure about, like I get Abby going back to them after the night with Owen considering they were left for dead, but she went above and beyond what most would do in this kind of world when she went down to the hospital basement and went to the Seraphite island.
As a sidenote, I REALLY wish they kept Yara alive, or at least kept her alive until the Santa Barbra ambush, kinda makes that journey through hell to get Mel medical supplies feel pointless :/
1. They saved Abby, but Abby also helped them escape so this might not be enough because it makes them "even".
2. Abby knows what its like to be a kid and to be displaced from your community with nowhere to go (like when the Fireflies fell apart).
3. Abby was a firefly before, and her dialogue with Owen suggests she feels that they have strayed from their path. Since fireflies are supposed to be the TLOU "good guys", maybe she felt she that urge to live up to her father's ideals- especially considering her nightmare is framed by her father's death.
I would have loved a journal for Abby as well to illustrate her own mental state though, I thought it was a great addition for Ellie.
Anyone have anything to add? Because its the only part of the story I'm kinda unsure about, like I get Abby going back to them after the night with Owen considering they were left for dead, but she went above and beyond what most would do in this kind of world when she went down to the hospital basement and went to the Seraphite island.
As a sidenote, I REALLY wish they kept Yara alive, or at least kept her alive until the Santa Barbra ambush, kinda makes that journey through hell to get Mel medical supplies feel pointless :/
Ya, she's accomplished what she set out to do, and outside of what she did to Joel she really wasn't a shitty person so it wasn't hard for me to believe her relationship with Yara and Lev.
she did a lot messed up shit. when mel kinda confront her about killing scar children. she was like meh lol
But that's what I loved about the ending so much, it leaves things up to interpretation, does she get her happy ending or no? I think it's ultimately up to the player, and I really hope they don't create DLC or a Part III to answer that question. The ending was perfect imo.
You saw the redemption for Abby with Lev and now we have to see Ellie turn.
They story was showing two points of view with one of it's themes one person going after revenge and a person that already had it .
Ended the same way for both just broken people but Abby have Lev and now Ellie has to make her own way .
I respect that but I think Ellie deserves a definitive and conclusive ending.
The fight with Ellie when you're Abby was just too much for me. I didn't want to hit her but I was terrified of her in that moment lol, then to see her get her ass kicked in a way she never has was hard to watch.
Well, that's why the ending of the first game was so good too.
I don't want to see a part III either but I won't be surprised at all to see it happen.
So.... in that last playable scene with Abby and Lev they mention maybe getting a boat and going to other countries. Japan is across the sea... am I crazy in hoping that somehow TLOU3 would take place in Japan..?! Yeah I know it won't be a thing but my god I want to see how this all planned out around the world. There's obviously going to be some other places that fared better and other doctors and scientists, I want to see Ellie eventually end up being used to create a cure. We need some kind of happy ending at the end of all this.
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