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Betty

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,604
I just love how Boba get's what he wants in the end, to be the Crime Boss and immediately says "we're not cut out for this" to Fennec -_-
 

Lotus

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
105,931
I just love how Boba get's what he wants in the end, to be the Crime Boss and immediately says "we're not cut out for this" to Fennec -_-

I still can't believe he said that

I guess you could argue he's talking more about the whole people treating them like royalty thing, but even then it's like, what did he expect

Should've just put Fennec in charge, from Day 1 she knew how this shit works
 

Ravelle

Member
Oct 31, 2017
17,806
Luke couldn't even be assed to deliver Grogu himself lol. R2 is a capable pilot sure, but what if shit had gone down?

I expected luke to jump out too but no, it's a bit hilarious though.

I Imagine Grogu choosing the shirt and Luke being pissed off and dissapointed enough to jetison Grogu off planet with a retour label.
 

Betty

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,604
I still can't believe he said that

I guess you could argue he's talking more about the whole people treating them like royalty thing, but even then it's like, what did he expect

Should've just put Fennec in charge, from Day 1 she knew how this shit works

Fennec would unironically have been much better and more ruthless.
 

Lotus

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
105,931
Probably the only reason Luke didn't come is for meta reasons, didn't want a repeat of him easily cleaning up everyone's mess after Mando S2
 

OneTrueJack

Member
Aug 30, 2020
4,647
Luke is super busy training his now 0 students, what do you expect him to do - personally escort one of the only remaining force-sensitive beings in the galaxy to safe and sound Tatooine where nothing can possibly go wrong?
To quote another one of his students
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Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
Member
Oct 24, 2017
34,385
I'm not really defending the show but I'm absolutely baffled how many people are seriously asking "what was the book in the title about".
Like... it's not literal... it was never going to be about an actual book...
I'm pretty sure people (here at least) know that "book" means "story" here and are asking what the actual story was. Because whatever story we did get is banal and insipid as all hell, at best.

I swear I read this kind of shit since Episode 1 dropped in 1999 and I am so glad I can still enjoy my Space Fairy Tales without overanalyzing everything.
It's not overanalyzing anything though. It's blatantly there in your face and impossible to notice.

Like, just take the fight with the droids. Fucking none of it makes sense, and it's not something that dawned on me later, it was immediate when watching as it happened.

- Why are Boba and Jin not using their jetpacks more
- Why do the allies keep shooting at its shield when it's clearly not doing anything
- Why are the allies huddled behind a single car
- Why is punk rock chick stopping her scooter right in the middle of the firefight
- Why is the droid shooting useless pew pew that doesn't pierce their cover, and only takes out its big explosive cannon that blasts the car into smithereens AFTER the allies finally decided to bail from their cover, meaning it misses literally every one
- Why are the allies running away down a single street in a straight line instead of zig-zagging or ducking into side streets for cover
- Why is the droid chasing them STILL MISSING them despite having no obstacle to its line of fire (is its aiming AI based on a Stormtrooper or what)
- Why are the allies deciding to exchange guns and split forces and wish each other good luck for their "plan", so 2 can go on the roof while the others "cover" them, to do... what exactly? "take the high ground", except that does nothing and everyone knows it! WHAT WAS THAT USELESSNESS ALL ABOUT
- Why do the allies STOP firing when the shield on the droid is finally down?!

THIS IS ALL IN THE SAME ONE BATTLE SCENE against the giant droids. All of this happened in a few minutes, and every single one of those things was immediately noticeable as incredibly stupid and wrong.

I want to say it was like watching the Star Wars prequels, but I think those probably had better action/fight scenes. So maybe it was more like watching Power Rangers.

Just embarrassing all around, and that's not even the full list. We didn't get into the cringy-ass exposition from Fennec early on, her claiming that the entire city was covered by (checks notes) 3 people patrolling or standing watch, how her takedown of that syndicate was more nonsense and goofiness, and a myriad of other things that would make any viewer facepalm.

Cover is not The Way. They'll explain that in Mando Season 3.

Armorer: Din Djarin, have you hidden behind chest high rocks and debris so your ass may not be lit on fire?

Mando: ...

Armorer: You must answer truthfully

Mando: Yes

Armorer: Then you are a Mandalorian no more until you have aquired the Singing Pearl of Klaatu Barada Nikto

Mando: But the Singing Pearl was hidden in a cave underneath the site of the Brunch of a Thousand Sorrows massacre.

Armorer: This is the way
lmfao

To be fair, yeah Mando can afford to not take cover with that armour of his, but he's not the only character who stands stupidly in the open like that, and worse, in this episode he's just not using his jetpack when he totally should multiple times. He'd be fucking untouchable if he just stayed in the air. It's very hard to hit a fast moving target in the air and even if he does get hit, his armour would likely protect him.

That mechanic lady is probably the best character in this entire show. Almost everything she said landed with me, she was pretty funny.
I liked her too, she was funny and entertaining. I hated how they paired her up with that cringy twilek cosplayer though.

As I mentioned before, Din did it too minutes before. Why is this the one everyone is picking on?
It was bad when Din did it as well. I laughed out loud when it happened.

The action direction made no sense.
So basically consistent with the whole episode. 😂
 

Eamon

Prophet of Truth
Member
Apr 22, 2020
3,547
Again, The Mandalorian uses SW material the right way, while The Book of Boba Fett is just 'throw some nostalgia (and Mando stuff) here and there, and let's see what sticks'.
Completely agree with this take. I think The Mandalorian, S1/S2/and the content from BoBF demonstrate the right balance of nostalgia with new worldbuilding/themes.
 

BossAttack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
43,022
Three seasons in and the Bill Burr episode is still the best episode of the Mandoverse from a character writing perspective.

Yes, glad we can agree.

Please get Favreau to hire a writer's room or stop writing. Also tell Dave to tone down the fan pandering.

I just love how Boba get's what he wants in the end, to be the Crime Boss and immediately says "we're not cut out for this" to Fennec -_-

My exact reaction: 🤦‍♀️

Really Boba? Because that's what Fennec fucking said at the start when you presented her with your dumbass goal.
 

Eamon

Prophet of Truth
Member
Apr 22, 2020
3,547
I feel like the finale of Boba Fett had two really noticeable moments where timing and repetition soured otherwise excellent moments.

1. I hate that we got some talking scene with the antagonists where it is revealed that it was the Pyke syndicate killed the Tuskens, only for it to be dramatically revealed to Boba like 10 minutes later by Cad Bane. Why not save it for that moment? Instead we get a black and white flashback that is essentially meaningless to the viewer

2. We got two scenes of Grogu saving the Mandalorian as he layed there helpless at the enemy seeking to kill him. I feel like the first time wasn't fully earned, as the two were relatively recently reunited. And the second time it just felt like a repeat moment that didn't hit as hard as it could have. I was kinda surprised they did it twice in the same episode, in the span of like 20 minutes
 

KingSnake

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,003
2. We got two scenes of Grogu saving the Mandalorian as he layed there helpless at the enemy seeking to kill him. I feel like the first time wasn't fully earned, as the two were relatively recently reunited. And the second time it just felt like a repeat moment that didn't hit as hard as it could have. I was kinda surprised they did it twice in the same episode, in the span of like 20 minutes

I hope season 3 will be full of Grogu saving Mando's ass from all the shit he gets himself into.

And that will motivate Grogu to start speaking to tell Mando to stop getting into shit.
 

BossAttack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
43,022
Given how OP Beskar is I'd love to know how the Empire managed to conquer Mandalore unless they managed to just overproduce the fuck out of Sabine's armor cracking AT-STs.
 

SCUMMbag

Prophet of Truth - Chicken Chaser
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,581
Mod squad sucks so bad, jar jar is cooler and more useful.

Completely. I'm not even particularly against a modded squad in star wars but it feels so off to have them on Tatooine. If they existed or at least were introduced on a planet like Coruscant they would have felt less stupid.

Actually, it's mainly just their bikes that I hate. So fucking terrible.
 

gig

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,276
Completely. I'm not even particularly against a modded squad in star wars but it feels so off to have them on Tatooine. If they existed or at least were introduced on a planet like Coruscant they would have felt less stupid.

Actually, it's mainly just their bikes that I hate. So fucking terrible.

Yeah, this. It's the juxtaposition. Not just with Tatooine in general but with the rest of the cast in the same show
 

Persephone

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,444
Din retaking Mandalore with Grogu in a baby carrier on his back will be awesome literally what are ppl complaining about
 

GDGF

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,327
I guess I'm a fool and a die hard fan then, because I watched it with a smile on my face. I'm old enough that I barely remember watching ANH in the cinema in '77, falling in love with the franchise, and then getting very little live action content for 40 years, excepting the films.

Sure, you can point at some stuff and poke holes, complain about other stuff, but I'm finally getting all these shows to watch and I LOVE IT!

I feel sorry for people that can't find any enjoyment from this, and only see garbage. Hopefully something out there is making you smile. Who is more of a fool, the fool who watches these shows and enjoys them, or the fool who keeps watches these shows and doesn't?

Same for me (except replace SW in '77 w ESB in '80)
Honestly I'm just happy we're getting live action Star Wars content on tv and at regular intervals lol
Its been a long time coming.
 

Tavernade

Tavernade
Moderator
Sep 18, 2018
8,635
I'm waiting patiently for my Boba on a Rancor and Mod Squad toys.

Mod Squad were great, it felt like a throwback to American Graffiti to me, like how Aphra is Star Wars' version of Indy.

I do think the show needed to pick a lane between "Boba the new, better Jabba" and "Boba the protector of Tatoinne." It kinda just did both and didn't land either, and should have either had him reaching out to other Bounty Hunters for help or exploring the issues on the planet and having a more Seven Samurai "training the villagers" plot (even if that was already done twice in SW I don't care it's a good plot).
 

thewienke

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,978
Kinda curious to see if anyone else had the same issue I had with this character:

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I know it's not Danny Pudi but my brain rejects that it's not him and that it's actually David Pasquesi (who I've seen in a lot of other things like Veep!).

Which is fine because that means they can use Danny Pudi for someone else in the future for Star Wars. He deserves better than "unnamed Twi'lek majordomo" as a character name.
 

Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,037
People attacked me for saying it should've been Mace Windu that rescued Grogu instead of Luke, but I want all my haters to really think back on how that would've been way better in retrospect and tie into both Mando's story and Boba Fett's story way better.

- Mace would've been a shitty father figure compared to Mando based off what we know about Mace valuing detachment more than most Jedi, and Mando would have needed to essentially rescue Grogu.
- Mando would've seen the danger of extreme Jedi dogma raising Grogu via Mace, and begin to reflect on his own Mandalorian "taking off helm = banishment" dogma.
- Mace killed Boba's father, so there is rich storytelling potential there and an actual natural path to grow Boba's character.
- Mando getting Grogu back would've been an earned journey instead of literally getting Grogu back by Skywalker Next Day Air shipping.

Fuck, there are at least three storylines that write themselves if Mace had been the one to come for Grogu that would've naturally enriched both Mando's journey and Boba's journey. I'm kind of fucking pissed it was Luke, despite how cool Luke looked in Episode 6.
 

bdbdbd

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,904
I'll grant the shows a mess but, damn, if I wasn't grinning through the whole Rancor battle.
 

ket

Member
Jul 27, 2018
12,983
People attacked me for saying it should've been Mace Windu that rescued Grogu instead of Luke, but I want all my haters to really think back on how that would've been way better in retrospect and tie into both Mando's story and Boba Fett's story way better.

- Mace would've been a shitty father figure compared to Mando based off what we know about Mace valuing detachment more than most Jedi, and Mando would have needed to essentially rescue Grogu.
- Mando would've seen the danger of extreme Jedi dogma raising Grogu via Mace, and begin to reflect on his own Mandalorian "taking off helm = banishment" dogma.
- Mace killed Boba's father, so there is rich storytelling potential there and an actual natural path to grow Boba's character.
- Mando getting Grogu back would've been an earned journey instead of literally getting Grogu back by Skywalker Next Day Air shipping.

Fuck, there are at least three storylines that write themselves if Mace had been the one to come for Grogu that would've naturally enriched both Mando's journey and Boba's journey. I'm kind of fucking pissed it was Luke, despite how cool Luke looked in Episode 6.

Why not just create a new force user instead of using an old character?
 

Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,037
Why not just create a new force user instead of using an old character?

Random force user didn't kill Boba's father.
Random force user doesn't have bad motherfucker inscribed on their lightsaber hilt.
Random force user doesn't have as much of an on screen history of putting detachment on a pedestal to achieve being "a good Jedi".

Mace just fits in too well with the storytelling they're going for with Manda coming to terms with rejecting strict dogma to value family and attachment, and as a fucking bonus actually is a major figure in Boba's life.
 

ket

Member
Jul 27, 2018
12,983
Random force user didn't kill Boba's father.
Random force user doesn't have bad motherfucker inscribed on their lightsaber hilt.
Random force user doesn't have as much of an on screen history of putting detachment on a pedestal to achieve being "a good Jedi".

Mace just fits in too well with the storytelling they're going for with Manda coming to terms with rejecting strict dogma to value family and attachment, and as a fucking bonus actually is a major figure in Boba's life.

Well for one thing I think reviving Mace would be pretty silly like reviving Palpatine. And another thing is that SW is way too self-referential or intertwined already. I would've preferred a new character since that could've provided more interesting storytelling opportunities. They wouldn't have to be a Jedi or Sith either, they could have a completely new philosophy about the Force.

Y'know just something different instead of more callbacks and cameos.
 

Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,037
Well for one thing I think reviving Mace would be pretty silly like reviving Palpatine. And another thing is that SW is way too self-referential or intertwined already. I would've preferred a new character since that could've provided more interesting storytelling opportunities. They wouldn't have to be a Jedi or Sith either, they could have a completely new philosophy about the Force.

Y'know just something different instead of more callbacks and cameos.

Reviving Mace is approximately 50% as dumb as reviving Boba and 25% as dumb as reviving Darth Maul, and 1% as dumb as reviving Palpatine - so that ship has sailed. Star Wars is a comic book universe now, so might as well lean into the storytelling and themes if characters can just come back to life.

Luke is far emptier of a callback and cameo than Mace would be in relation to Mando and Boba.
 

Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
Member
Oct 24, 2017
34,385
Din retaking Mandalore with Grogu in a baby carrier on his back will be awesome literally what are ppl complaining about
Because the reunion is unearned, comes way too soon, and is in the wrong show to boot. It could have been the culmination of an arc of Mando S3. Instead it's just something that invalidates the entire Mando S1-2 arc. I mean sure it was cute, and still the more entertaining part of this dumpster fire of an episode, but it's not good writing or storytelling.
 

thewienke

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,978
People attacked me for saying it should've been Mace Windu that rescued Grogu instead of Luke, but I want all my haters to really think back on how that would've been way better in retrospect and tie into both Mando's story and Boba Fett's story way better.

- Mace would've been a shitty father figure compared to Mando based off what we know about Mace valuing detachment more than most Jedi, and Mando would have needed to essentially rescue Grogu.
- Mando would've seen the danger of extreme Jedi dogma raising Grogu via Mace, and begin to reflect on his own Mandalorian "taking off helm = banishment" dogma.
- Mace killed Boba's father, so there is rich storytelling potential there and an actual natural path to grow Boba's character.
- Mando getting Grogu back would've been an earned journey instead of literally getting Grogu back by Skywalker Next Day Air shipping.

Fuck, there are at least three storylines that write themselves if Mace had been the one to come for Grogu that would've naturally enriched both Mando's journey and Boba's journey. I'm kind of fucking pissed it was Luke, despite how cool Luke looked in Episode 6.

I agree that Windu is a better thematic fit but it begs a billion unanswered questions the moment he shows up. It wouldn't just be him showing up for one show but getting Samuel L Jackson to sign up for maybe his own show and several others too. His presence would create a pretty seismic shift in the post ROTJ universe.
 

a916

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,841
Lol, that last episode was pretty whatever... the two best episodes were the ones with Mando.

Boba kept saying "these are my people, they're suffering" and "there's a war coming" but the show did a poor job showing both. Ultimately making the final war pointless.

I laughed a bit when Mando/Boba were on the ground getting shot at in the open getting pelted by shots but no one thought to hit them where they didn't have armor lol.

That rancor YOLO'ing it out of there when Cad Bayne showed up felt like a video game, oh your power-up is gone now, you can't cheese your way past this boss now.

Also bringing in Cad Bayne for the final 1.1 episodes and have him be the person Boba fights at the end is low key stupid. "Here's a character we haven't talked about or set up in this particular show...and he's presumably dead" Kind of similar Hawkeye's final episode.

Overall the series was watcheable but really missy and hit/miss, some things just stuck out to me in this particular episode that made me go huh or lol.
 

Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,037
I agree that Windu is a better thematic fit but it begs a billion unanswered questions the moment he shows up. It wouldn't just be him showing up for one show but getting Samuel L Jackson to sign up for maybe his own show and several others too. His presence would create a pretty seismic shift in the post ROTJ universe.

I do agree that there would have to be a satisfying explanation there and it's probably the best argument against Mace coming back only to show up at this point. If they wanted to go simple, he could've had amnesia from his fall and living as a hermit until the moment that Grogu activated the Jedi Beacon Thing, and thus his memories are back and it's time to be a bad motherfucker Jedi again. That's pretty hacky though - I probably shouldn't be a Star Wars writer. Someone somewhere could come up with something compelling that wouldn't necessary shake up everything we know about the post-RotJ status quo.
 

Shoreu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,010
Random force user didn't kill Boba's father.
Random force user doesn't have bad motherfucker inscribed on their lightsaber hilt.
Random force user doesn't have as much of an on screen history of putting detachment on a pedestal to achieve being "a good Jedi".

Mace just fits in too well with the storytelling they're going for with Manda coming to terms with rejecting strict dogma to value family and attachment, and as a fucking bonus actually is a major figure in Boba's life.

People attacked me for saying it should've been Mace Windu that rescued Grogu instead of Luke, but I want all my haters to really think back on how that would've been way better in retrospect and tie into both Mando's story and Boba Fett's story way better.

- Mace would've been a shitty father figure compared to Mando based off what we know about Mace valuing detachment more than most Jedi, and Mando would have needed to essentially rescue Grogu.
- Mando would've seen the danger of extreme Jedi dogma raising Grogu via Mace, and begin to reflect on his own Mandalorian "taking off helm = banishment" dogma.
- Mace killed Boba's father, so there is rich storytelling potential there and an actual natural path to grow Boba's character.
- Mando getting Grogu back would've been an earned journey instead of literally getting Grogu back by Skywalker Next Day Air shipping.

Fuck, there are at least three storylines that write themselves if Mace had been the one to come for Grogu that would've naturally enriched both Mando's journey and Boba's journey. I'm kind of fucking pissed it was Luke, despite how cool Luke looked in Episode 6.

I selfishly want Mace to be back because there's never been a leading, Black force user in Star Wars visual media.
 

studyguy

Member
Oct 26, 2017
11,282
I really liked this, I'm a much more casual fan than my gf.
My gf was explaining to me the blue cowboy guy was from the animated series, got excited about it idk. Overall seems fine, a little campy with the way people fight but SW always seemed silly in fights so idk. Also Thundercat showing up was the wildest shit. So at this point Grogu is just gonna do his own non-jedi thing along with mando who was also expelled from his mandolorian clan right? Seems neat.
 

smashballTaz

Member
Oct 29, 2017
749
I mean, Mace could change and improve and take stock of his feelings about attachment and become a more balanced character, should Mace return. He could have PTSD from the Order 66 purge and having been on the run since being thrown off the building and having one of his best assets, his primary lightsaber arm chopped off in Ep 3.

Although we know that a certain set of SW fans don't like their characters showing any growth, after some of the fan reaction to TLJ.
 

Shoreu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,010
I think we see how Luke ends up failing as a leader here.

He made the wrong decision trying to make Grogu choose.