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Tell Me Why |OT| Ain't nothin' but a heartache [Mark Spoilers]

TheChronic2060

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Hm I thought the idea with the childrens memory is that what you remember change over time, and how you remember things can be influenced by what makes sense to you at that time. Basically, humans tend to rationalise the bad parts (your own bad behaviour or other unpleasant thoughts) from our memories in order to be able to live with them. We compartmentalise events into memories that make sense to each of us on our own terms. And thats why I thought the kids were remembering something their own way that makes sense for them, but those arent the real facts of what happened that night. Which is what the narrative is building up - to get the adult, or real, version of what happened.

And thats probably going to be a bit more mundane of an affair than the layer of supernaturality leads you to believe.
 
TheChronic2060

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Hadok said:
yeah you're probably right.

also my little theory is that

maybe Alyson didn't kill the mother,because we actually have not seen the stabbing move.
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Yeah, for some reason they have been thinking that they did this or that, but thats the goblin fairytale story of it and whatever they thought they did just happened to run into the trajectory that their mom was on with the issue with who their father is. Mommy didnt want to kill Tyler because he cut his hair, some other shit just happened at the same time. Time will tell, Id rather it be this than some kind of magic spell being lifted or something.
 
Princess Bubblegum

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I hope this game gets updated with some form of ray traced global illumination post Xbox Series X's launch. If done well it would do wonders for a number of interior and exterior locations.
 
randomlee26

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Here's my theory:

Mary Ann said "I'm going to kill you" to the Mad Hunter, aka Tom or Alexander. Alyson didn't see him, so she thought Mary Ann was trying to hurt Tyler. What doesn't make sense is how the kids didn't realize this. But I'm wondering if I am onto something...
 
jb1234

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Finished chapter 2. Kinda disappointing. I liked the first chapter but the story is going off into places I don't find very interesting and the pacing is too slack to maintain suspense.
 

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I think I enjoyed this second episode more than the first, a lot of fun scenes and I really enjoyed all of the character interactions.
Only real downside for me was the whole archives section in the police station. It dragged on after a while and I swear one of the boxes felt impossible to find. I eventually found it by guessing.

Also, I've been wondering where the father fit in all of this. I'm curious to see what will happen with that.
 
ez123

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NKnight7 said:
I think I enjoyed this second episode more than the first, a lot of fun scenes and I really enjoyed all of the character interactions.
Only real downside for me was the whole archives section in the police station. It dragged on after a while and I swear one of the boxes felt impossible to find. I eventually found it by guessing.

Also, I've been wondering where the father fit in all of this. I'm curious to see what will happen with that.
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I enjoyed EP 2 more and the part you're talking about is a big reason why.

The snooping has always seemed fun as someone who has only watched people play these games and I thought it felt really exciting. Nothing was too tough to find and using the tags to find a hidden tape was cool too.

Also, Tessa is terrible and the fuse box color matching was a missed opportunity. They were the same colors, match them to the xbox controller button prompts!
 
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Antony

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As this isn't a Life is Strange game I wish they'd dropped the powers.
It feels more and more like powers are here because it's a Dontnod game rather than because they really serve the narrative. I personally would've found this story in particular just as compelling (if not more so) without them.

I don't think it's possible to top time manipulation as both a narrative conceit and gameplay mechanic and I'm at the point where I find them immersion breaking, which is probably on account of how good these games are now in terms of visuals and performances.
BtS showed they can still do Dontnod without them and I think I preferred it that way.
 
Hadok

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But the "powers" serve the narrative here.

at least the memories sharing thing
 

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Just finished the 2nd episode. I think I liked it even more than the first; really digging the small twists and turns. I also felt like there was more interaction points this time around.
 
Princess Bubblegum

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Antony

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Hadok said:
But the "powers" serve the narrative here.

at least the memories sharing thing
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True.
I feel the themes we're working with: transition, isolation, identity, belonging, loss, sibling bonds, family tragedy, etc are strong enough tenets to tell a really affecting/powerful story... but then you add powers and memory manipulation and it all becomes very hokey. For me at least, this is just personal taste I suppose... I felt the same way with LiS2 too.

Like an examination on the meaning of memory and how they form and differ depending on perspective is extremely interesting (the film the game references Rashomon is a great look at this) but 'powers' is the least interesting course to take on such a subject and ironically robs the concept of its power.
 
ghibli99

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Opening sequence to Chapter 2 is why I love these Dontnod games so much. Expertly done.

Fatal Error crash about an hour in, and I lost about 15~20 minutes of progress. That I didn't love so much. LOL
 
Princess Bubblegum

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I wonder how many endings this will have. I'm inclined to think only two at most, with less significant choices being reflected in both where applicable. Then again, it's hard to tell what will transpire in the finale. The overarching objective has been the twins trying to sell the house and Alyson trying to keep Tyler in her life.
 
Princess Bubblegum

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Hadok said:
i don't see that.
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Look at how the choices and consequences are framed. When it's a choice that affects their bond, it's usually framed as how Tyler feels affected by the choice. By default, Tyler is aiming to put his degree to use and become a park ranger at Denali. He's not 100% sure but that's his natural inclination. Meanwhile Alyson in both episodes has been explicitly and more subtlety trying to convince Tyler move to Juneau with her and Michael.
 
Thanathorn

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Just finished episode 1. Really like what i played of it. I'll finish episode 2 tomorro. I feel like the fact this game was removed from the Russian Xbox store should be a bigger story.
 
Hadok

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Woo i saw an episode 2 playthrough where

Sam didn't give Tyler a knife as a gift
This doesn't change the tree scene,Tyler has still a knife,but it's probably his own knife in this case :D
 
Dandy

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Hadok said:
Woo i saw an episode 2 playthrough where

Sam didn't give Tyler a knife as a gift
This doesn't change the tree scene,Tyler has still a knife,but it's probably his own knife in this case :D
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Oh, that's what happened in my save. No idea what would affect that.

I re-played the police station scene in Episode 1 because I missed the bench scene. I was rushing through it, and forgot to put Dee's key back in her drawer. In Episode 2 Alyson gives it back to her saying she found it in the parking lot. Dee doesn't believe her, but isn't mad and says she'll let it slide.
 
laoni

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Oh, that's what happened in my save. No idea what would affect that.

I re-played the police station scene in Episode 1 because I missed the bench scene. I was rushing through it, and forgot to put Dee's key back in her drawer. In Episode 2 Alyson gives it back to her saying she found it in the parking lot. Dee doesn't believe her, but isn't mad and says she'll let it slide.
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I wonder if it's the
Won Sam's respect choice from the Episode 1?
 

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Finished chapter 2 today (after a break to finish up life is strange 2). Didn't like it as much as the 1st but still into it. Real middle chapter vibes. Great stuff over all.
 
Osu 16 Bit

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I played episode 2 this morning and I can't stop thinking about Tyler talking about childhood pictures making him uncomfortable, even though they're of happy times. It's a small scene, but it's amazing seeing something I can relate to in a MS published game on game pass.
 
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Osu 16 Bit said:
I played episode 2 this morning and I can't stop thinking about Tyler talking about childhood pictures making him uncomfortable, even though they're of happy times. It's a small scene, but it's amazing seeing something I can relate to in a MS published game on game pass.
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That whole sequence almost brought a tear to my eye, especially due to Allyson being so supportive.
 
Hadok

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This week, Hailey and Charlie interview Tell Me Why developers Clay Carmouche (Narrative Director, Xbox) and Morgan Lockhart (Lead Writer, Dontnod).:

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Intimates: Tell Me Why Interview | Checkpoint

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kortvarsel

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Great, thanks! A bit disappointed when I woke up and there was nothing there.

Anyway, just got through the first episodes after finishing Life is Strange. What an emotional experience, I don't think any movie or game has caught me like that ever. Really looking forward to see where this story goes, it's been great so far, and I can tell that this is going to break my heart again.
 
Sonix

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Played Episode 2 two days ago and found it a little slow in the middle, but the more I think about all the little ways some new information was conveyed, the more I like it.

I HATED Eddy(?, the cop) and his behaviour and I'm not quite sure if it's because they wanted him to be this way or the voice acting fell really short. Based on the comparison with other players I was very much in the minority with not forgiving him but his "I did the right thing FOR YOU and didn't tell you/lied to you because you're too stupid and I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU" really pissed me off. Same but kinda different thing with Tessa, I didn't forgive her, the majority of people did but she instantly told Tyler that she doesn't accept him so... huh.

Regarding the ending.. Interesting which way they will go with this. Do we get some supernatural/magic stuff like LiS 1 with a big climax or will it be more like BtS with a "normal" conclusion? I also LOVE the design of the Mad Hunter. Such a cool character.
 
Flounder

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Is anyone able to download Chapter 3? When I tried it earlier it says it will be released today. Now when I try it I'm getting this:

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Hopefully that is not accurate and it is just a bug with the shitty Xbox app and Windows Store. I also had to download the game again after completing Chapter 2 because the Store said it needed repair? WTF?
 
dojo32161

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Flounder said:
Is anyone able to download Chapter 3? When I tried it earlier it says it will be released today. Now when I try it I'm getting this:

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Hopefully that is not accurate and it is just a bug with the shitty Xbox app and Windows Store. I also had to download the game again after completing Chapter 2 because the Store said it needed repair? WTF?
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Should be out in an hour and 12 minutes
 
Jokerman

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Erk - the puzzles in the
loft
are incredibly annoying. I know how to solve them, but the icons are pretty much indecipherable in places.
 
Rogue Kiwi

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The release map says it should be out in my country but it still isn't?

edit: OK it's not in the store yet but spamming the a button on continue eventually took me to a link to the episode instead of saying it's out Jan 1st
 
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