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Tara Reade appears to have lied under oath about her education, defense lawyers seek to get convictions overturned in cases where she testified
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You know, you're right. I initially read this as Antioch university providing a transcript of something, but upon re-reading, your summary is correct.
The only evidence Tara has of her graduation is that Seattle U believed her and admitted her, basically. Which... proves nothing, she could just have successfully lied to Seattle U.
Yeah. Embellishing your job description is not great, but doing it multiple times, and fabricating stories of "protected programs" that don't exist, and lying under oath, and everything else too... well, shit.
Why shouldn't it? The original pitch for Era was that our community would be more open with moderation.
At best, its a boy who cried wolf situation.
Could the assault have happened? Yes, but her history of being a compulsive liar in her professional life and while under oath does not lend her any credibility.
How dare you ask legitimate questions and not blindly join the bandwagon
I dunno, I feel someone lying their way to being a regular expert witness, committing 20 acts of perjury and 20 sexual assault cases being thrown out with prisoners potentially being released because of this would still be threadworthy.
This is partially why I have learned to shut my mouth or in this case not type a post on certain topics till more facts come to light.
Her accusation against Biden has some iffy stuff, she says she was asked to serve drinks but refused and was sidelined from the office but other former staffers say the office didn't have female staffers do that, men did it and weren't told to do campaign events where serving drinks would be most common.
The area she first suggested the incident took place seems to be incorrect or highly risky for a senator to risk in broad daylight.
One staff member says she was fired for job performance related issues, and her paycheck may support it.
In my opinion, this stuff does not directly affect the accusation, and she may have lied but without further accusations from other independent incidents, it's hard to take her word vs Biden when the incident itself seems shaky.
Well people continue to bring up Biden's invasion of personal space with young girls. What does that have to do with the allegations?
There is no court proceeding here. This was always going to be a case of public opinion and past behavior, like it or not, matters, especially when it's a past behavior of perjury which may lead to actual rapists being freed.
Could've used unofficial ones for clearance if that was an option.
Yeah, it'll vary a ton by state. In New York, you can be admitted by some schools with unofficial transcripts (no seals, signatures, or anything), but you need an official one before you complete your first term. Some schools prefer not to fuck around with that and just ask for official copies upfront.
The one thing I can say with surety at this point is that she probably should be communicating only through her lawyer (and maybe an additional lawyer now).
Why should I believe someone who's lied about their credentials and educational history, committed perjury, engaged in check fraud, lied about the circumstances of her firing, stolen from charity, and deceived countless other people?
At this point, I honestly feel that continuing to believe Reade is doing a disservice to victims.
There are plenty of people here who said they knew Biden was guilty and nothing would change their mind short of Reade blatantly saying "I made it up."
It's been like this since the very beginning and will likely continue this way. It's just the way this site works. I have zero faith anything will change in this regard, especially given the multiple examples you posted of it happening before. Like many other posters, I've just learned to keep my mouth shut on sensitive topics and mostly lurk threads of this nature.
well yea cause if those cases get overturned, she's gonna need a criminal defense lawyer.
French serial-killer expert admits he made up his entire career, including murder of imaginary wife
More at: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/13/serial-killer-expert-admits-serial-lies-stephane-bourgoin Expose if old
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We have proof!
If she really did lie in the magnitude shown here -- about a degree she never got, which allowed her to give expert testimony -- then her credibility is gone, as is the credit to the sexual assault claim.
Anyone who claims to have been accosted, assaulted, harassed, abused, or otherwise attacked should be believed -- in so far as the evidence and their credibility allows.
Without any direct corroborating evidence of her claims, all we have are that -- her claims, either directly in public, or through friends and family members. With no credibility, I don't see how anyone should take her claims seriously -- without direct evidence that corroborates them, which we don't have.
I hope people don't use this as an excuse to malign those who make such claims unfairly -- but her case looks dead in the water to me.
Yeah i don't trust them as a source
I get your point, but the moderators work for the community, which is us. There is no Era without us. If we push for better moderation then it will happen.
I've stayed pretty silent on this, but I just couldn't keep my composure in those other threads on the subject. I've had a number of black friends and family members who were wrongly accused of rape by white women yet spent time in jail for it anyway. Hell, I've even been part of an unfortunate case where a drunk young lady thought it would be funny to accuse a guy of raping her at a convention I worked security for.
As has been said numerous times in this thread and a few others, it is just as important to believe accusers and give them support as it is to make sure we don't automatically assume guilt to the accused.
Complaining about moderation is also a bannable offense.
I haven't posted in threads about this issue until now because I know my skepticism about her claim most likely would've resulted in some kind of report and subsequent moderation. That's why the echo chamber tumbled along uninterrupted.
Edit. I'm wrong on this, his tweets are still searchable on google but it looks like all of his tweets are deleted after a week so it has nothing to do with Tara Reade. I've never seen that before so I did not catch it. Sorry.
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If you want to try to convince people not to vote for Biden on account of his political record, then just do that; no need to keep trying to browbeat people into not supporting Biden over an unsubstantiated rape accusation.
He is a fucking clown and no one should take him seriously ever again
But Ms. Hamilton, the Antioch spokeswoman, told The Times that it had spoken with Ms. Murdock, and that there was no such special arrangement with Ms. Reade.
Pretty much where I'm at with these kinds of stories as well.
You're the person trying to defend someone that could have sent innocent people to prison, mate.
Reflect on that.
Are you saying that finding out she's guilty of multiple counts of perjury and may upend verdicts shouldn't be talked about?
Wooooooow. Abusers are going to walk because of her lies. There's a non zero chance she goes to prison. Unreal.
Yes - and the worst part is there were some CRAZY anti-Biden threads which centered solely around him being guilty of this that several of those same bans happened in. And those threads were allowed to propagate and multiply and snake their way into other poli-threads. I know it's off-topic but it just had to be said.
he was one of the first one's pushing the assault allegations and that's the tweets being referred to.
I have to admit I'm legitimately confused by this story and will have to do more reading on it, since it seems like we keep getting contradictory updates. But hopefully it doesn't cause any problems in the justice system.
To be fair, the middle initial stands for Joker.
To be fair, the middle initial stands for Joker.
For the record, investigative journalists uncovering relevant information is not gaslighting. It's the opposite of gaslighting.
French serial-killer expert admits he made up his entire career, including murder of imaginary wife
More at: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/13/serial-killer-expert-admits-serial-lies-stephane-bourgoin Expose if old
We have proof!
Oof to this entire situation.
I mean good luck. I emailed 3 times to get some sort of response after I was banned. Zilch. You have to be careful of what you say in sensitive topics. Just a straight 1 month ban after never getting anything. I don't think there's anything you can do.
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there's not really any contradictory information (aside from Reade's claims that it was secret). NYT and CNN in agreement with NYT reaching out about Ms Murdoch.
I believe one of the tweets that was really questionable was where he essentially admitted to coaching Tara Reade's brother. The Washington Post contacted the brother and the brother did not mention the assault. Nathan J Robinson contacts the brother and talks about the assault and 2 days later the brother contacts the Washington Post and tells them he remembers Tara telling him about the assult.
That's going from memory so that could be off.
He was also accused of coaching Reade and her brother
He has acted very unethically through this entire process
oh yea but he wiped those tweets at least a week ago.
He seems to have wiped all tweets about Tara Reade today.
What's his motivation? I mean he has any political agenda? Or maybe something else?
Let's not get off-topic here about moderation and such.
With Antioch telling both CNN and NYT that she never graduated, I imagine the next thing we'd hear about this is some sort of court proceeding. Right now, there are a likely a bunch of requests for records from Antioch currently being typed up by defense attorneys and law clerks.
With the legal angle involved here, this is going to unravel at lightspeed.
With Antioch telling both CNN and NYT that she never graduated, I imagine the next thing we'd hear about this is some sort of court proceeding. Right now, there are a likely a bunch of requests for records from Antioch currently being typed up by defense attorneys and law clerks.
With the legal angle involved here, this is going to unravel at lightspeed.
Likely just mad Bernie lost the nomination and saw this as a means to attack Biden.
He sets his tweets to auto delete, it isn't about Reade. You're repeating a silly talking point from people who should know better.
Well, he certainly disagrees with Biden politically on a ton and considers himself a socialist. I'll leave that to you if you think that is motivation
Oh man...
As a victim of sexual assault, I really feel an obligation to be supportive, even if I'd prefer to take things slow.
.... Though with how touchy Biden is, I guess it did seem believable to me...
But after more info on Reade kept being uncovered, I really wanted to take things slow.
Maybe something did happen.
But this might be a situation of "boy who cried wolf." Because of all of her lying, the time she did tell the truth won't be believed.