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MondoMega

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Dark Mantonio

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Well, thanks to Nintendo's incompetence no one is happy in this case! (People who want Galaxy 2 and people who'd like to have improved versions of 64 and Sunshine, I mean)

Eh, I can't say I'm totally unhappy with the collection. Sunshine getting re-released for the first time in 18 years isn't nothing.

Given how Nintendo typically operates I'm glad they're doing something rather than nothing.
 

aspiring

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Oct 25, 2017
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I asked before but I ask again.

anyone know if they have updated or offer the option to change the inverted controls in Mario sunshine? Going back was rough I just can't do them.
 

HardRojo

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Eh, I can't say I'm totally unhappy with the collection. Sunshine getting re-released for the first time in 18 years isn't nothing.

Given how Nintendo typically operates I'm glad they're doing something rather than nothing.
The only reason I'm buying this is Galaxy, but if you asked me, I'd rather have Galaxy 1 and 2 in a single package rather than this terrible effort of a Collection.
 

SpaceCrystal

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I see a few things wrong with this.

1.) No Super Mario Galaxy 2.

2.) Super Mario 64 is just a regular port; No upgrade in graphics, etc. That's just lazy. Crash 1-3 & Spyro 1-3 had full graphical upgrades, & they came off of the same generation as Mario 64 had.

3.) It's a Limited Edition run. What's wrong with this picture?
 

touchfuzzy

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Jul 27, 2019
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Are we still not over no Galaxy 2? That's literally been the story since this leaked in like frikkin' March people. Get over it, the first one is way better anyways.
 

Roliq

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I see a few things wrong with this.

1.) No Super Mario Galaxy 2.

2.) Super Mario 64 is just a regular port; No upgrade in graphics, etc. That's just lazy.

3.) It's a Limited Edition run. What's wrong with this picture?
Man people should really stop saying lazy, is just that they didn't want to do it, nothing else
 

SpaceCrystal

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Man people should really stop saying lazy, is just that they didn't want to do it, nothing else

C'mon, man. Crash 1-3 & Spyro 1-3 had full graphical upgrades through N-Sane Trilogy & Reignited Edition, & they came off of the same generation as Mario 64 had. Same for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time & Majora's Mask on 3DS.

For Nintendo to not bother doing a full graphical upgrade on this game is just baffling.
 

Kinsei

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Oct 25, 2017
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The only reason I'm buying this is Galaxy, but if you asked me, I'd rather have Galaxy 1 and 2 in a single package rather than this terrible effort of a Collection.
Same. Or even each game being sold separately with enhancements. I'd also take the package we have now, but with a bunch of anniversary extras (interviews, showing off cut content, scrapped music, etc.

As it is this collection is pretty worthless.
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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I bet only Sunshine and Galaxy 1 were ported. Mario 64 is emulated, which explains why it's still in 4:3, 30fps, and 720p.
 

MondoMega

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Super Mario 64 is just a regular port; No upgrade in graphics, etc.
The visual changes will be unnoticeable to casual players who don't quite remember what the original looks like, but the textures are higher-res. Most notable with the HUD and the M logo/buttons on Mario. Pretty much the same way the Smash 64 stages were updated in Smash Ultimate.

Definitely should've been upgraded to be 16:9 like Sunshine though, but anyone expecting much else beyond that after insiders set expectations to a Turok/Doom 64 level effort were setting themselves up for disappointment.
 
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I'm considering cancelling my pre-order—there is no damn excuse for not being able to hit 1080p/60FPS for these titles. 720p for fucking SM64!? It's laughable.
 

Roliq

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C'mon, man. Crash 1-3 & Spyro 1-3 had full graphical upgrades through N-Sane Trilogy & Reignited Edition, & they came off of the same generation as Mario 64 had.
The reason lazy is a stupid reaction is that the people that do the work (developers) aren't the ones that decide these things, that's why lazy is dumb

As for the other two collections, Crash and Spyro were irrelevant, both collections were done to return them to the spotlight, basically Activision played the long game
 
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Zodzilla

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Oct 25, 2017
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C'mon, man. Crash 1-3 & Spyro 1-3 had full graphical upgrades through N-Sane Trilogy & Reignited Edition, & they came off of the same generation as Mario 64 had. Same for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time & Majora's Mask on 3DS.

For Nintendo to not bother doing a full graphical upgrade on this game is just baffling.
Still doesn't mean that Nintendo are lazy. They just don't want to invest their resources into doing the same kind of project.

You can be annoyed that they didn't do the same thing, but the Crash and Spyro remakes are a lot of work and money. That sort of project doesn't just magically happen because people aren't "lazy". It's because they budgeted and planned for a project of that scope. In this case Nintendo didn't.
 

Elliott

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Oct 25, 2017
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This thing will cost almost 100 dollars in Canada and they couldn't even bump up the framerate.

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Fishsnot

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Oct 27, 2017
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Very lazy on Nintendo's part.
At least offer original and remastered options.
People will still buy it and Nintendo will keep on with their bad habits.

I just run my ripped wii galaxy disc through dolphin and play 4K 60fps.

 

pixelpatron

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Oct 28, 2017
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Galaxy is an amazing game, but Galaxy 2 (as others have mentioned), not being a part of this package really brings it down. Also, Nintendo...Mario 64, this is a weak ass port for a 35th anniversary to the character you owe your empire to. I mean the resources this company has it's disposal. They should of Spyro reignited, Crash Bandicoot NSane T, bluePoint updated that mofo....yet again, Nintendo just feeds us crumbs when we should be feasting. Yet they know we'll eat what they throw down to us. Tidbit scraps of sirloin is better than a feast of stale bread. Still as much as I love Nintendo, they sometimes just stop short of where we expect them to land. Yet other offerings just completely destroy expectations; and we all chase that Nintendo high like the addicts we are. Guess we'll have to wait longer for our next true "fix".

(edit) lol, post above mine before I posted....ya ditto.
 

TheDinoman

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As for the other two collections, Crash and Spiro were irrelevant, both collections were done to return them to the spotlight, basically Activision played the long game

Yeah, this is the main thing.

Both Spyro and Crash had crashed in popularity after their mediocre to bad mid-2000s games. Their collections were essentially Activision trying to gauge interest in both IPs by doing higher effort remasters with graphical overhauls and a reduced price. Mario 3D All Stars on the other hand is just something Nintendo threw together for Mario's 35th and that's it.

Kinda of a shame Nintendo couldn't of done some more work, but the existence of this is very different from why/how the Crash/Spyro remasters were made.
 

RoboitoAM

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm glad that I at least have Mario Galaxy 2 on the Wii U still. Who knows when/if that'll be ported.
 

KORNdog

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Oct 30, 2017
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It's a shame they've done very little to the games. Mario 64 really deserves a full remake at this point. The limited release seems utterly pointless too.
 

Kinsei

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I do agree that the comparisons to Crash and Spyro aren;t good as thy are full remakes (regardless of what Activision calls them). Though comparing this to collections of ports like Rare Replay or the Mega Man Zero/ZX Legacy Collection doesn't do 3D All Stars any favors.
 

VPplaya

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I do agree that the comparisons to Crash and Spyro aren;t good as thy are full remakes (regardless of what Activision calls them). Though comparing this to collections of ports like Rare Replay or the Mega Man Zero/ZX Legacy Collection doesn't do 3D All Stars any favors.

If anything it makes it an even better comparison. Three fully remade from scratch games for $20 less, compared to just some ROM ports with a resolution bump.
 

SharpX68K

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Everyone knows Sunshine was originally running at 60fps in 2001 (Space World, alpha) and 2002 (E3, beta) but it was capped to 30fps before release.






So it's a shame that the Switch version isn't 60fps.
 
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b3llydrum

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You're going to start a semantic argument over what constitutes a "remaster." Some feel lighting, texture and model upgrades are necessary to fulfill the definition, whereas others feel an up-res and frame rate increase suffice.
I'm not starting a semantic argument. I'm correcting your misinformation.

They literally asked if it's a remaster. They remastered the games, so the answer is yes. Why the fuck would you say "no"? Because of your own personal definition?

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This is literally the definition and I 100% guarantee you this is what the average person means when they say "remaster".

You're thinking "remake".
 

ShinobiBk

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Even if just a remaster they could've done much more with 64
Doom 64 was given out for free as a pre-order bonus and on its own costs 5 fucking dollars and that game is wide-screen, full HD and features lighting improvements and other enhancements.
Not to mention, that wasn't only made for one platform, it released on every major platform.
 

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I'm not starting a semantic argument. I'm correcting your misinformation.

They literally asked if it's a remaster. They remastered the games, so the answer is yes. Why the fuck would you say "no"? Because of your own personal definition?

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This is literally the definition and I 100% guarantee you this is what the average person means when they say "remaster".

You're thinking "remake".
You want to score points so bad that you don't even realize you're not responding to the same person.
 

MasterYoshi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hmm, I think I'll pass on this release. Maybe if I hold out for a few more years, 64 will get a complete remake with new visuals, or a sequel or some sort. I also hope to see Galaxy get a standalone release, or maybe a dual release with Galaxy 2. Zero desire to try Mario Sunshine, sadly.

3d World + Bowser's Fury is absolutely mine, though. Absolutely stoked for that.