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Substantial migration from Parler to Telegram is underway, with Parler lifeboat channel growing 16K members
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They ain't hard to find and never have been. It's the 'doing something about them' part that's the worry.
The problem was that they didn't bother to look before, and were probably instructed not to.
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They started shutting down some obvious channels, but they've largely not done so in the past.
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The 25M is probably attributed to the Whatsapp stuff since it overlapped with all the stuff from last week.
I feel more substantiated in my decision to move from WhatsApp to Signal. I think Telegram public groups supporting up to 200,000 members each can be very dangerous.
That said, Telegram is introducing monetization / ads this year to pay for their incredible growth, and they have increasing financial pressure placed on them, so I don't think they're going to go for the "censorship-free" angle for too much longer.
Signal is different because they are supported by a non-profit foundation. They also have a max membership size of 1000 people for any one group, and every group is private. So you can't cultivate huge Twitter-equivalents to broadcast your crazy messages in quite the same way. It's more a direct replacement for WhatsApp instead of a new social network.
That said, Telegram is introducing monetization / ads this year to pay for their incredible growth, and they have increasing financial pressure placed on them, so I don't think they're going to go for the "censorship-free" angle for too much longer.
Signal is different because they are supported by a non-profit foundation. They also have a max membership size of 1000 people for any one group, and every group is private. So you can't cultivate huge Twitter-equivalents to broadcast your crazy messages in quite the same way. It's more a direct replacement for WhatsApp instead of a new social network.
Ah, didn't know that. Makes more sense now. It was literally a jaw dropping moment in the car earlier when I heard that.
Yep, I looked it up and the crackdown is already happening:
Telegram blocks ‘dozens’ of hardcore hate channels threatening violence | TechCrunch
With many social networks suddenly reevaluating their policies in light of recent political violence in the U.S., the popular messaging app Telegram has
techcrunch.com
I think it's complicated. The Hong Kong resistance movement mainly used Telegram to communicate and organize. I'm not sure if any of the HK groups were 200k in size, but definitely big. So you're right in that it can be "dangerous", but sometimes the danger can be to oppressive regimes.
Meanwhile, law enforcement around the country is like, "Could it be that we're out of touch? No, it's everyone else who was wrong! The people who invaded the Capitol must have been ANTIFA operatives!"
You dense motherfuckers, these people want to murder you! The other group just wants you to rethink how you approach your job.
hopefully not, telegram is pretty fkin useful. would hate to see it goes
The more we push these people to the fringes, the harder we'll be able to track them, especially with these 100 percent anonymous services. The people that managed to get sucked in will have an even harder time getting out since it's so much more insular. There was a good NYT report on this recently where terrorists are going to be able to use these services to slowly build their numbers
This is really the only real downside to taking down Parler is that now all the cockroaches are scurrying to a bunch of different little holes. They have "Donald.win", Gab, Neogaf, and now this App? I guess as long as it's easy to track where they are migrating it doesn't really matter.
For the most part yeah the more it gets reported usually is gone shortly after.
Neogaf no longer allows "conspiracy theories or fringe content", surprise surprise.
Telegram sent out a text Tuesday to brag about all the new users. My friend groups are thinking about moving to Signal
The increase in Telegram users is definitely due to the WhatsApp TOS change, as WhatsApp went into damage control mode over it.
I've been using Telegram to keep in touch with all my friends since covid started, but I can't imagine that many people trying to be in a chat at once. Why not just use discord at that point? Obviously they're making their own smaller groups, but it's not like they can all get in on the same conversations to make it like a social media site the way twitter or parlar behave.
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Give it a minute, let more of them migrate and start to get a little bit comfortable, then shut them down and do another data dump.
It just doesn't hurt enough if you pop 'em right away. There needs to be a sting.
It just doesn't hurt enough if you pop 'em right away. There needs to be a sting.
Considering Telegram is host of major child porn hubs and other types of illegality, I doubt they will shut anything down.
I have been wondering for a long time what will happen to cyber privacy once all these extreme groups move to closed platforms. How do we monitor them without risking privacy for all.
edit. recent Nth room case was something else: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nth_room_case
I wish Android would have a built in messaging app, trying to find which one is the least bad and get people to switch to it is such a hassle.
Telegram hasn't even banned the Donald Trump account.
Aside from the clear growth in for instance the Proud Boys chat group. A lot of growth is Parler related.
Can confirm furries live on Telegram. Not sure about the other group.
Lmao the XR is jailbreakable, then you can just sideload. Dumbasses.
why wont twitter let these poor men post their plans of violence, it's clearly a pro democratic bias and not because these people are dangerous
Is More Violence Coming? (Published 2021)
Social media platforms have raced to bar organizers of the attack on the Capitol. Will that make a repeat less likely, or just harder to prevent?
All this does is just make it all the more concerning going forward past the 20th. I mean there's gonna have to be more tightened security of officials and federal buildings 24/7. This isn't just going to end at the inauguration.
Isn't Telegram's CEO pretty huge on the 1st Amendment anyone can use this app bullshit?Wouldnt be surprised if they're allowed to stay
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nth_room_case
these people operated various groups for more then two years with around 60000 users. And they went totally under the radar.
I think it's just hard to crack on these groups since they can be made private. And anonymity is bread and butter for the company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nth_room_case
these people operated various groups for more then two years with around 60000 users. And they went totally under the radar.
They are already starting to block the worst of the alt-right fringe:
techcrunch.com
I expect more banning to come as Telegram introduces monetization / ads in 2021.
Luckily, Signal groups are limited to 1000 people each (unlike 200K limits for Telegram). And there are no public groups, it's all private. So alt-right extremism can still fester, but it can't be a Parler replacement.
Telegram blocks ‘dozens’ of hardcore hate channels threatening violence | TechCrunch
With many social networks suddenly reevaluating their policies in light of recent political violence in the U.S., the popular messaging app Telegram has
techcrunch.com
I expect more banning to come as Telegram introduces monetization / ads in 2021.
Luckily, Signal groups are limited to 1000 people each (unlike 200K limits for Telegram). And there are no public groups, it's all private. So alt-right extremism can still fester, but it can't be a Parler replacement.
You make it sound like we're worse off now, which we're not.
Deplatforming works. And the size of the platform absolutely matters. Twitter/FB bans and Parler imploding are very much net good things.