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Steve (from Minecraft, now in Smash) is one of the most complex fighting game characters ever. How might Sakurai top himself?
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Yeah, I think this game development business is way more complex and time consuming than it looks on the outside. I think it was stated that the development of Ultimate started before or right after the last DLC for Smash 4 came out.
Monster Hunter Rise with a full moveset for each weapon and rideable attack dog
I don't think anything will top it in terms of having to go through every stage to implement mining deposits
I don't think anything will top it in terms of having to go through every stage to implement mining deposits
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Ha, not sure. At least the omega and battlefield variants have a uniform mining distribution.
I was amazed while watching the video tour for Steve in smash.
Wonder what fighting community purists have to say about it.
Wonder what fighting community purists have to say about it.
It would be kinda interesting if they made Steve more or less a Sword character. But then created Smash Ultra where every character has complex movesets from their own games, haha.
Steve is nuts! Compared to Jiggly Puff that can sleep you or punch you.
Steve is nuts! Compared to Jiggly Puff that can sleep you or punch you.
He's gonna be mad low tier, but the fact that Battlefield/Omega stages have set materials makes him at least usable in a way.
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The block-building tricks are exciting. You can create walkways to get back to the stage, walls to prevent opponents from recovering, blocks to absorb projectiles or feint your fall, or even platforms from which to attack people offstage. All of this, along with minecart and TNT traps, falling flintlock fires and lingering magma blocks, etc, will make for a compelling trickster fighter, methinks.
A Dark Souls rep with stamina management and an expanded dodge-roll/shielding system.
A reworked version of Mario that attacks by jumping and landing on opponents.
Ring Fit Adventurer, with an optional Ring-Con control scheme.
A Golden Sun character with Djinn that change your class configuration (and by extension, moveset) as you use them up. Also, you have to map Psynergies to the L/R buttons, but can only have two mapped at a time, so you have to open a menu and manually select the rest of them when you want to use them, and you pretty much always have to set Move as one of the L/R ones.
A reworked version of Mario that attacks by jumping and landing on opponents.
Ring Fit Adventurer, with an optional Ring-Con control scheme.
A Golden Sun character with Djinn that change your class configuration (and by extension, moveset) as you use them up. Also, you have to map Psynergies to the L/R buttons, but can only have two mapped at a time, so you have to open a menu and manually select the rest of them when you want to use them, and you pretty much always have to set Move as one of the L/R ones.
It's way too early to tell tiers, but I can't see them being super low. Stage counterpicking will definitely play a big role of course, but I can't imagine many stages will leave him completely unusable.
This is certainly why Steve/ Alyx have spammable running attacks. It will be a huge crutch as we experiment with the more complex tools.
Kids will figure out anything if they're really into it. It's ironic you're saying this, because Minecraft itself is very complex and had no in-game tutorials when it was initially booming like crazy.
Honestly nothing can top this. It's incredible. But I'm down for some more classic style Master Chief, Geno, Rayman type fighters. Just give us those classic songs and nostalgic stages.
Similarly, Naruto with his Shadow Clones, Henge, Summons and Jutsus
I don't know, but I hope the characters really stop getting this complex. This is a problem for me with the more recent League of Legends characters, where their abilites need to be explained by multiple paragraphs instead of a small description.
But just for the sake of the thread, and looking at my nº 1 most wanted character: Sora from KH, were his specials are choosen on a command menu. And drive forms change his normal combos and how magic works.
But just for the sake of the thread, and looking at my nº 1 most wanted character: Sora from KH, were his specials are choosen on a command menu. And drive forms change his normal combos and how magic works.
In terms of like, programming complexity, I don't think Sakurai can top "rework every stage".
I think the next logical step though for this Fighter's Pass is a true weapon switching character though. Someone like Dante, Rex, or Monster Hunter could probably pull off that gimmick.
I think the next logical step though for this Fighter's Pass is a true weapon switching character though. Someone like Dante, Rex, or Monster Hunter could probably pull off that gimmick.
The man is just mad. I don't know how he can create a brief for a character like this one that implies sooo many programming challenges to the point of reworking all the 80+ stages and say: yeah, this is fine, let's do it.
He is second to none when it comes to honour the source material he is working with. I can't see anyone going this deep adapting a Minecraft character into a fighting game. Its not just a Minecraft tribute, it's a fucking Minecraft game with all the Minecraft mechanics inside of Smash Bros. And somehow it will work!
A wizard, I tell you.
He is second to none when it comes to honour the source material he is working with. I can't see anyone going this deep adapting a Minecraft character into a fighting game. Its not just a Minecraft tribute, it's a fucking Minecraft game with all the Minecraft mechanics inside of Smash Bros. And somehow it will work!
A wizard, I tell you.
DOOM Slayer could have a bunch of systems:
-Limited ammo, possibly a single consolidated resource with each weapon taking a different amount of ammo per shot
-Chainsaw melee attacks would restore ammo (could also have passive regeneration over time, or restoring a slight amount when connecting melee attacks)
-Lighting enemies on fire with the Flame Belch would make them drop armor shards at a low rate, or a whole bunch of them if the Slayer connects with damage while the opponent is still burning. Armor would be a separate resource and have priority over % damage when the Slayer is hit. Armor cap could be around 15-20% to make it so he's not invincible.
-Hold down B for a weapon wheel with 6+ weapons, each of which could have primary fire and alt fire attacks. Tapping down B would quickly switch to the previously equipped weapon.
-Killing an enemy with a grab (glory kill) could restore health
-Limited ammo, possibly a single consolidated resource with each weapon taking a different amount of ammo per shot
-Chainsaw melee attacks would restore ammo (could also have passive regeneration over time, or restoring a slight amount when connecting melee attacks)
-Lighting enemies on fire with the Flame Belch would make them drop armor shards at a low rate, or a whole bunch of them if the Slayer connects with damage while the opponent is still burning. Armor would be a separate resource and have priority over % damage when the Slayer is hit. Armor cap could be around 15-20% to make it so he's not invincible.
-Hold down B for a weapon wheel with 6+ weapons, each of which could have primary fire and alt fire attacks. Tapping down B would quickly switch to the previously equipped weapon.
-Killing an enemy with a grab (glory kill) could restore health
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Serious respect to Sakurai and all the team working on the game These things aren't just willed into existence and they somehow made it during a global pandemic.
They won't top it
But I think we might FINALLY get a stance switch character in this pass to keep with the unique gameplay concepts
The closest we have now is Pokemon Trainer but that's really three characters since their physical attributes drastically change along and not just their attacks.
But I think we might FINALLY get a stance switch character in this pass to keep with the unique gameplay concepts
The closest we have now is Pokemon Trainer but that's really three characters since their physical attributes drastically change along and not just their attacks.
Maybe they didn't have enough time, I feel like there are some stuff in Ultimate that seem very unlike Sakurai. Like Chrom still being part of Robin's Final Smash, Alph still being an alt-skin, Young Link not having anything from Majora's Mask in his Final Smash. Ultimate has sooo much stuff in it and a lot of characters got some reworks, its really quite amazing how much the game gives and how good it is.
Rex and blade switching
It's interesting stuff but there are some instances where it's kind of unnecessary and seems imbalanced, like Robin's tomes/sword breaking and Hero's critical hits.
I mean... Sakurai had SSBU's development time to consider 80 characters
The whole 2-3 years for FP1-2 gives them much more time to focus on individuals
They'd have to decide if they follow GT or Super though. The two can't exist together without reality breaking.
It truly is a staggering amount of detail going into Steve. The crafting/mining stuff is the sort of intricacy that makes Smash stand in a league of its own.
The announcement didn't get me, but seeing Steve in action sure did.
I genuinely have no idea how Sakurai & co. can top this one. But I'm sure they will, somehow.
The announcement didn't get me, but seeing Steve in action sure did.
I genuinely have no idea how Sakurai & co. can top this one. But I'm sure they will, somehow.
You don't think so? I feel like the ink mechanics make the Inkling standout and it feels a lot like playing a 2D version of Splatoon.
I really have no complaints on Inkling and their moveset/implementation. My only issue is I really don't like the Splatoon stage.
Terrain
Terrain is the type of material that a platform of a stage is composed of. Super Smash Bros. Melee, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Smash Bros. 4, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate are all known to use different types of terrain in their stages, and...
the exact rates will need to be data mined but the rates likely won't be unique by stage
Ape Escape will probably be just as complex as Steve, if not Hero.
Think about this, you are given 2 basic tools, the Net, the Sword, and then your Specials could be any number of tools that are taken from each game of the series. Those special tools are what you use to solve puzzles to lure the apes out of their comfort zones in the original games.
The protagonists will either be Spike/Kakeru, or Yumi/Sayaka.
You have a lot of Spirits that can be included, so Sakurai can introduce a new franchise to everyone. It is also a Sony first party studio representative.
Think about this, you are given 2 basic tools, the Net, the Sword, and then your Specials could be any number of tools that are taken from each game of the series. Those special tools are what you use to solve puzzles to lure the apes out of their comfort zones in the original games.
The protagonists will either be Spike/Kakeru, or Yumi/Sayaka.
You have a lot of Spirits that can be included, so Sakurai can introduce a new franchise to everyone. It is also a Sony first party studio representative.
Kiryu Kazuma is the most obvious choice with the most obvious different fighting styles. I will be pretty surprised if he is never added.
I don't play this game, but anyone arguing against unique mechanics is a nut. Why in the world would anyone want DLC characters to be as basic as possible? Crazy movesets are kind of the point of taking the time to make new characters after the base roster is complete.
Casuals don't care about characters having lots of mechanics since they just button mash and have fun anyway.
Casuals don't care about characters having lots of mechanics since they just button mash and have fun anyway.
* me before watching that video *
How could you even use blocks and materials to fight? That seems so unintuitive. I don't see how that would work. They'll probably just let him set up a block to block and let him attack with the sword. I can't see how you'd turn minecraft as a game into a smash character.
* me after watching that video *
Lol of course you can use blocks and crafting with a smash character. It so elegantly fits into the game. The strategy is deep and complex. Such a simple, obvious set of mechanics that make total sense.
How could you even use blocks and materials to fight? That seems so unintuitive. I don't see how that would work. They'll probably just let him set up a block to block and let him attack with the sword. I can't see how you'd turn minecraft as a game into a smash character.
* me after watching that video *
Lol of course you can use blocks and crafting with a smash character. It so elegantly fits into the game. The strategy is deep and complex. Such a simple, obvious set of mechanics that make total sense.