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Blue Skies

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How likely is it that Warren becomes the nominee?
I say it's either her or Biden.
buttigieg doesn't have enough broad appeal, and Bernie has ahuge socialist stigma attached to him

I'm gonna go with 40 percent chance it's Warren, 41 percent chance it's Biden, 10 percent chance it's Buttigieg, 9 percent chance it's Sanders
 

Inuhanyou

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I dont hear about pressley much outside of certain things, but im glad shes throwing her weight behind atleast semi progessive candidates
 

Tfritz

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I don't know or care. Do you enjoy these responses in a thread about someone endorsing your chosen candidate? There's plenty more of them. Or do you find them toxic when it's suddenly flipped around?

i don't think they're toxic at all, but i have asked folks to elaborate on their feelings because i wasn't quite clear on what they meant, and i have made observations that the comparisons you and supra seem to be making don't really seem to fit here like accusations of hypocrisy

edit: nevermind, i guess you're banned? does that mean i need to delete this response or...? mods please advise
 

Baccus

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it's symbolic of her supporting and agreeing with him and wanting him to become president, yes.
is her attending his rallies a symbolic gesture as well?
Yes. He's her hero and her personal choice. She's true to herself and admits it publicly. She's gonna be with him until the end.

But she knows where dreams end and where reality begins. And she's also ready for that.

She's the next one after, after all.
 

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this is in line with her positions and also the MA-tag. She's not a card carrying DSA member (only Tlaib is), was not endorsed by DSA and has campaigned for Warren in
prev elections. She's moved left since she got into politics but she's still more to the middle than the three (Tlaib being the closest to a socialist). Omar is also more traditional progressive liberal but her endorsement of Sanders is due to the centrality of foreign policy in her politics.

This is not a surprise nor is a wedge between her and the other three. The BDS vote was more of a wedge than this.

AOC got into politics because of Sanders, Pressley got into politics because of Joe Kennedy. That history sums up both current endorsements.
 
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2CL4Mars

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It's either her or Biden, but her poll numbers under the hood are far better than his are. (She's broadly popular and is the most popular second choice pick of all the other candidates.)

I say it's either her or Biden.
buttigieg doesn't have enough broad appeal, and Bernie has ahuge socialist stigma attached to him
I'm gonna go with 40 percent chance it's Warren, 41 percent chance it's Biden, 10 percent chance it's Buttigieg, 9 percent chance it's Sanders

Hasn't Biden run multiple times already? He feels like a candidate that has support but when someone better comes along, Warren, and last time Obama. He losses.

Or in other words, he feels like a second or third choice but never really THE candidate.
 

Boiled Goose

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Honestly, the fact that we are debating who's more progressive and whether the right choice is warren or sanders is a great thing.
 
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Govtrack rates her as the most left of the squad, and Voteview rates her 3rd ahead of AOC.
those have some value but are a flawed measure of exactly how far to the left one is. things like her BDS vote and her entire political career prior to winning the primary against Capuano say otherwise.

this is in line with her positions and also the MA-tag. She's not is card carrying DSA member (only Tlaib is), was not endorsed by DSA and has campaigned for Warren in
prev elections. She's moved left since she got into politics but she's still more to the middle than the three (Tlaib being the closest to a socialist). Omar is also more traditional progressive liberal but her endorsement of Sanders is due to the centrality of foreign policy in her politics.

This is not a surprise nor is a wedge between her and the other three. The BDS vote was more of a wedge than this.

AOC got into politics because of Sanders, Pressley got into politics because of Joe Kennedy. That history sums up both current endorsements.

this is all accurate, yup
 

Blue Skies

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Hasn't Biden run multiple times already? He feels like a candidate that has support but when someone better comes along, Warren, and last time Obama. He losses.

Or in other words, he feels like a second or third choice but never really THE candidate.

he is "The" candidate for folks who are too scared to take a chance
 

Maxim726x

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Real talk: Did the endorsements really help Bernie? His numbers didn't really seem to move after the rally.

Will this endorsement really help Warren? Same argument that I had for Bernie- Who is this really gonna convince to vote for her?

I don't think any of them are seasoned enough or have accomplished enough in the Senate yet to pull people who aren't already ideologically aligned with the progressive wing of the party over.
 

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As expected. ACO's endorsement of Bernie was a and symbolic gesture.

No. AOC's tweet in support of Pressley is a gesture of solidarity to a fellow extremely progressive woman of color - it is a sign for male "allies" who are salivating about the prospect of a media produced feud between Pressley and the three others. It is a symbol of how solidarity between progressive women of color in politics is not exclusive but inclusive.
 

Inuhanyou

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That's nice, but it's not an accurate way to describe Warren who is a progressive.

If you have an issue with what i call elizabeth warren take it up with her record and her stances. She has a semi progressive record therefore i say semi progressive. Does it matter if its not an insult? Im not slighting her im stating a fact

If you want me to spell it out just ask, you dont need to nuance troll me through an offhand comment about ayanna pressley
 

Lv99 Slacker

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Yeah, I'm confused on how shes actually a squad member. And yeah, that BDS vote. OOF
This has probably been answered already, but the only reason they were grouped together at all, is because of Trump targeting them in particular via tweets and telling them to go back to their crime infested countries. Collectively, they responded with this press conference:

 
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If you have an issue with what i call elizabeth warren take it up with her record and her stances. She has a semi progressive record therefore i say semi progressive. Does it matter if its not an insult? Im not slighting her im stating a fact

If you want me to spell it out just ask, you dont need to nuance troll me through an offhand comment about ayanna pressley
Excuse me?

It's widely accepted that Warren is a progressive. Not a kind of, maybe, sort of, mostly or semi progressive. If you'd used the term say, leftist, that might be a different story as it has different connotations. But referring to Warren as a "semi" progressive is simply false. For you to suggest others are trolling for finding the inaccurate statement you made to be inaccurate is pretty wacky to me.
 

Blue Skies

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If elected Elizabeth Warren would be the most progressive president in the history of these United States. Yes bernie is more progressive but barely, and not enough to have us fighting between ourselves. Warren/Sanders/Biden folk need to unite against Trump.
vote in primaries, but shut the fuck up until then
 

chaostrophy

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If elected Elizabeth Warren would be the most progressive president in the history of these United States. Yes bernie is more progressive but barely, and not enough to have us fighting between ourselves. Warren/Sanders/Biden folk need to unite against Trump.
vote in primaries, but shut the fuck up until then

No, we're in the middle of the primary campaign. This is the appropriate time to debate about which of the candidates is best. The time to shut the fuck up and unite against Trump is after the nomination, not now.
 

Empyrean Cocytus

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Isn't Pressley like, the Ringo of the squad? The John Entwhistle, as it were? The Joey Bishop? The one so unimportant Trump leaves her out when describing the group?
 
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If elected Elizabeth Warren would be the most progressive president in the history of these United States. Yes bernie is more progressive but barely, and not enough to have us fighting between ourselves. Warren/Sanders/Biden folk need to unite against Trump.
vote in primaries, but shut the fuck up until then

Nah. This "they ain't that different" is some moonshine for morons. Warren is practically Clinton_patch1.4. And we know now how that will go if it's her up there on the podium.
If folks want a united popular front against Trump and the forces that put him there, they can stan Bernie, or shut the fuck up.
 

y2dvd

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If elected Elizabeth Warren would be the most progressive president in the history of these United States. Yes bernie is more progressive but barely, and not enough to have us fighting between ourselves. Warren/Sanders/Biden folk need to unite against Trump.
vote in primaries, but shut the fuck up until then

Huh? The whole reason is to argue who the best candidate is. Huge differences between Warren/Sanders vs Biden.
 

Nocturnal

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The best part of Pressley and AOC's endorsements, is the key support they can provide to the respective campaigns going forward.

Huh? The whole reason is to argue who the best candidate is. Huge differences between Warren/Sanders vs Biden.

how exactly does someone go from talking about the most progressive president to Joe Biden... lol
 

Meauxse

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Nah. This "they ain't that different" is some moonshine for morons. Warren is practically Clinton_patch1.4. And we know now how that will go if it's her up there on the podium.
If folks want a united popular front against Trump and the forces that put him there, they can stan Bernie, or shut the fuck up.

I do enjoy coming to this forum and seeing the wide variety of bad, horrible, no good takes.

And that patch 1.4 is wooow.
 

Inuhanyou

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Excuse me?

It's widely accepted that Warren is a progressive. Not a kind of, maybe, sort of, mostly or semi progressive. If you'd used the term say, leftist, that might be a different story as it has different connotations. But referring to Warren as a "semi" progressive is simply false. For you to suggest others are trolling for finding the inaccurate statement you made to be inaccurate is pretty wacky to me.

Do you even know what a progressive is and why we in the progressive left call ourselves as such? Hint... progressives are not ones who vote for trumps 800 billon dollar military budget then flub a response when confronted.

Progressives are not ppl who stay silent on things like standing rock until its over and then try and claim native american ancestry.

Were talking about real shit here. Not games
 

Tfritz

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Isn't Pressley like, the Ringo of the squad? The John Entwhistle, as it were? The Joey Bishop? The one so unimportant Trump leaves her out when describing the group?

well if we have to rank people based on how much trump talks about them i guess we all gotta line up and support biden, the most important person of all time
 
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Do you even know what a progressive is and why we in the progressive left call ourselves as such? Hint... progressives are not ones who vote for trumps 800 billon dollar military budget then flub a response when confronted
Hey, so, I'm not going to bicker with you about this or fall into this absurd gatekeeping that you're positing here. There are many votes that all candidates have on record on a variety of issues from foreign policy to approval of judges to domestic policy to gun control to Russian sanctions. Any can be arbitrarily pulled to create a narrative around a particular candidate and label them in a particular way.

This is the last response I'll give to this sidebar. Warren is a progressive. If you want to say she's not a leftist, knock yourself out.
 

alexiswrite

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Do you even know what a progressive is and why we in the progressive left call ourselves as such? Hint... progressives are not ones who vote for trumps 800 billon dollar military budget then flub a response when confronted.

Progressives are not ppl who stay silent on things like standing rock until its over and then try and claim native american ancestry.

Were talking about real shit here. Not games

Progressive is an inherently relative term. If someone is to the left of like 95% of their political contemporaries then I'd consider them a progressive in that society. I don't really see the point in gatekeeping the term like this.
 

Sulik2

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How likely is it that Warren becomes the nominee?

I think realistically its a toss up now between Biden and Warren. Butt just doesn't have the numbers and while Sanders is awesome and has a lot of supports I think the socialist tag on him and his health will kill his campaign. If Butt and Sanders both drop out and endorse Warren I think there is a pretty good chance its her. The problem is the establishment wants Biden so its going to be interesting if they anoint him before the primaries like they did Hilary. Biden getting the nom terrifies me, I don't think he will be able to handle a long campaign without screwing up majorly at some point.
 
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I think realistically its a toss up now between Biden and Warren. Butt just doesn't have the numbers and while Sanders is awesome and has a lot of supports I think the socialist tag on him and his health will kill his campaign. If Butt and Sanders both drop out and endorse Warren I think there is a pretty good chance its her. The problem is the establishment wants Biden so its going to be interesting if they anoint him before the primaries like they did Hilary. Biden getting the nom terrifies me, I don't think he will be able to handle a long campaign without screwing up majorly at some point.
I agree overall. Biden in a general worries the hell out of me. I think he could end up being the most vulnerable because of his baggage and his being a ho hum "safe" choice.
 

YukiroCTX

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That's a really broad statement that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Omar's genocide vote last week signals that she's not as left in some very important ways (the same can be said about Sanders with regard to his spotty record on guns).
Yeah, Not every candidate or person is going to have absolutely the most idealistic views and the most perfect policies in place especially with such vast range of issues that need to be addressed from Domestic to Foreign. Like even in countries that are way more progressive, left leaning and far more democratic compromise on certain policies. For progressive politicians like AOC, in the long run Warren or Bernie would make significant differences which is why she can endorse Bernie who may have more policies in line with her views and at the same time be happy with other candidates who support Warren as the key point is that the vast majority of policies align so it would overall be a massive win either way that there's not really much reason for infighting and that the threat is really Biden who is constantly on top of the polling and at best offering the status quo.
 

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As a "squad" I guess it makes tactical sense to not snuff out Warren entirely. Plus at least some reasonable deviation should be allowed.

I still resent the BDS vote though. Speaking of which, I wonder who Ro Khanna is endorsing?
 

Tfritz

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As a "squad" I guess it makes tactical sense to not snuff out Warren entirely. Plus at least some reasonable deviation should be allowed.

I still resent the BDS vote though. Speaking of which, I wonder who Ro Khanna is endorsing?

ro khanna is a campaign chair for bernie sanders's campaign, so i'm gonna assume that's who he's supporting, but you know what it's 2019 and anything is possible