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So what would a Resident Evil 4 Remake even look like? More Action? Experimental like RE 3.5? More Horror?
- Thread starter Jawmuncher
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People who talk like it's enough, meh, the changes feel so inconsequential to me they might as well not exist. Not when what I imagine in my head next gen on the RE Engine would look so incredible. I don't even understand why people are so against the idea.
I love RE4 but I also recognize that it looks very dated and has some flaws that can only be properly fixed through a comprehensive remake of the game. Like, I get that people love the original control scheme but cmon fam, it's not even the most important part of its incredible gameplay.
I swear there's a bit of Stockholm Syndrome going on besides nostalgia or rose tinted glasses.
A Shadow of thr Colossus remake style would be best. Add some environmental story telling here and there and perhaps create a new mini campaign (think No Rest for the Living in Doom 2 XBLA port).
It really doesn't hold up well. Maybe that's because you're used to it?
I think the original made Leon way too strong, which is why it felt like an action game letting you spin-kick and suplex your way through crowds of villagers.
I'd like a remake to still keep the large mob of people trying to lynch you, but keep you actually underpowered enough where evading and hiding from the mob is a necessity.
I'm not sure if that counts as more action or more horror?
I'd like a remake to still keep the large mob of people trying to lynch you, but keep you actually underpowered enough where evading and hiding from the mob is a necessity.
I'm not sure if that counts as more action or more horror?
RE4 was kinda my introduction into Resident Evil and what got me into gaming, so i'm probably a bit overprotective with it in that sense.
There's the overall uncertainty towards the feeling of recapturing what 4 was at its time and how it blended the most absurd, creative and opposite elements into something unique and concise. So i believe the main path is to touch only on what's really necessary in that sense.
Building upon REmake 2's core gameplay systems would make the most sense, since the format is very accessible and surprisingly responsive for the restrictions laid by horror standards. Moving and shooting while balancing the whole combat loop to mimic RE4, yet being completely different, would be its biggest challenge of course. You would need to ensure that movement is a constant risk/reward combination, upgrading the Ganados capabilities, behaviours and general speed, but most importantly, their "trickery-based" movements. Stuff like running at you while the player's perspective is away from them, dodging bullets, erratic animation pattern, throwing stuff at you and being able to coordinate attacks in group. Basically all the stuff you would expect from a modern interpretation of those smart enemies, with a very refined AI that can counter and bait people easily.
Also, i'm kinda aware it may not be representative at all of how this actually works (since this is mostly based on sources of light and how that affects volumetric effects), but just like this new RE2 makes your life easier if you stay put, by giving more critical hits when the aim reticle is completely still and small, the laser sight should be affected by moving while aiming, showing a lesser clear line whenever the player is dancing around.
That combined with not shying away from heavy damage by enemies's attacks, should ensure a closer feeling to the original's balancing act on the go. Crowd control still is the focus, but you gotta know that if you fuck up, that will bite you in the ass hard.
4 is a really good action game that constantly rewards you, but still, that game ain't messing around if you're not thinking right with each enemy encounter.
That's also something very worth mentioning, Resi 7 is one of the fewer RE titles that were able to successfully mix more silly and scary stuff like Resident Evil 4.
In terms of overall tone and representing what the series means for a lot of individuals, that's the best approach considering 4 for sure. Tho i'm not that worried about it, REmake 2 itself had a good balance despite some small missteps here and there.
There's the overall uncertainty towards the feeling of recapturing what 4 was at its time and how it blended the most absurd, creative and opposite elements into something unique and concise. So i believe the main path is to touch only on what's really necessary in that sense.
Building upon REmake 2's core gameplay systems would make the most sense, since the format is very accessible and surprisingly responsive for the restrictions laid by horror standards. Moving and shooting while balancing the whole combat loop to mimic RE4, yet being completely different, would be its biggest challenge of course. You would need to ensure that movement is a constant risk/reward combination, upgrading the Ganados capabilities, behaviours and general speed, but most importantly, their "trickery-based" movements. Stuff like running at you while the player's perspective is away from them, dodging bullets, erratic animation pattern, throwing stuff at you and being able to coordinate attacks in group. Basically all the stuff you would expect from a modern interpretation of those smart enemies, with a very refined AI that can counter and bait people easily.
Also, i'm kinda aware it may not be representative at all of how this actually works (since this is mostly based on sources of light and how that affects volumetric effects), but just like this new RE2 makes your life easier if you stay put, by giving more critical hits when the aim reticle is completely still and small, the laser sight should be affected by moving while aiming, showing a lesser clear line whenever the player is dancing around.
That combined with not shying away from heavy damage by enemies's attacks, should ensure a closer feeling to the original's balancing act on the go. Crowd control still is the focus, but you gotta know that if you fuck up, that will bite you in the ass hard.
4 is a really good action game that constantly rewards you, but still, that game ain't messing around if you're not thinking right with each enemy encounter.
That's also something very worth mentioning, Resi 7 is one of the fewer RE titles that were able to successfully mix more silly and scary stuff like Resident Evil 4.
In terms of overall tone and representing what the series means for a lot of individuals, that's the best approach considering 4 for sure. Tho i'm not that worried about it, REmake 2 itself had a good balance despite some small missteps here and there.
Also, if Leon is capable of doing such moves, why the hell is he needing to shoot without moving? It's inconsistent.
He should control like God Hand at this point.
I'd take something weird and experimental. But since that's not happening, I don't really see the point of a remake. It's absolutely perfect as is.
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This thread reminds me a lot of FF7 and RE2 remakes when they were announced but we had no info. There was a lot of the same talk of "Better graphics and nothing else" which is sadly not the way these companies see themselves making more money on old games. At least not at a AAA level.
The resident evil 2 and 3 remakes took on significant elements of the action based trilogy that followed them, therefore logically we must conclude that 4-5-6 will take on significant elements of the following style of gameplay and will be first person vr games.
New modern control scheme for new players but an option to use the OG scheme and just redo models and textures. If they change anything else it'll probably just be worse overall.
The truth is if games being perfect as they are was enough to not warrant a remake then we wouldn't have gotten an RE2 Remake.
Taking out the QTEs would be a good start.
Have a dedicated dodge button. Also modernize the controls by being less tanky. Being able to move and shoot.
I think more open areas where you could barricade like in that first area in the village would be cool as well. Imagine the village being bigger with more areas to barricade and roofs to climb up to try and get some distance, mobs that are larger and smarter and seem to cooperate and coordinate in order to kill Leon.
Let em go nuts and reimagine it. Some will be upset but just RE4 with better graphics would be pointless.
Have a dedicated dodge button. Also modernize the controls by being less tanky. Being able to move and shoot.
I think more open areas where you could barricade like in that first area in the village would be cool as well. Imagine the village being bigger with more areas to barricade and roofs to climb up to try and get some distance, mobs that are larger and smarter and seem to cooperate and coordinate in order to kill Leon.
Let em go nuts and reimagine it. Some will be upset but just RE4 with better graphics would be pointless.
If it needs to be remade, I imagine it would be more of reimaging. Part of the charm of RE 4 is that the game doesn't take itself seriously at all. With the many extremely quotable lines, cheesy characters and over the top action sequences, RE 4 falls out of line with the current remakes RE 2 and RE 3.
Can you imagine REmake 2 Leon in Resi 4? I can't. That would mean the story needs to pull a 180 and the tone would change dramaticly. While a more creepy bunch of Ganados, a more serious Salazar and even Sadler sound enticing, I think I pretty much prefer RE 4 in its current state.
(I also can't handle a more terrifying version of It)
So yeah, let RE 4 be Leon's Wacky Adventure in Europe.
Can you imagine REmake 2 Leon in Resi 4? I can't. That would mean the story needs to pull a 180 and the tone would change dramaticly. While a more creepy bunch of Ganados, a more serious Salazar and even Sadler sound enticing, I think I pretty much prefer RE 4 in its current state.
(I also can't handle a more terrifying version of It)
So yeah, let RE 4 be Leon's Wacky Adventure in Europe.
I'm okay with this - like really okay.
Amen, I can't get through the game for this reason - the controls need a major overhaul.
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Just seeing the Merchant in RE Engine will print money. If anything his role needs to be expanded in a remake. With a really cool presentation where you go through his trenchcoat and peruse all the weapons he has in there.
Leon calls a giant crocodile an "overgrown son a bitch" in REmake 2. There's some cheese there, and I think the cheese could be bigger and better in REmake 4.
Nothing says it needs to be serious.
Leon calls a giant crocodile an "overgrown son a bitch" in REmake 2. There's some cheese there, and I think the cheese could be bigger and better in REmake 4.
Nothing says it needs to be serious.
They'd completely ruin it if they remade it.
It would either get turned into RE6, or it would get turned into RE2:R. Either way, you'd lose what made RE4 so special.
The game is perfect as it is, leave it the fuck alone!
It would either get turned into RE6, or it would get turned into RE2:R. Either way, you'd lose what made RE4 so special.
The game is perfect as it is, leave it the fuck alone!
I'm all for expanding the horror elements of RE4. I loathe the military base so friggin' much. Remove it altogether. I'm in favor of new las plagas types instead. Make them deadlier, and sure, make the last part a bit more action-y if need be (I mean, we're replacing the military base...) but expand on the horror for RE4 and we'll have:
It's like Mikami doesn't know how to end a game. He just goes balls out on the action.
The game was a masterpiece. It influenced and inspired so many incredible games that came after it (Gears, Dead Space, TLOU etc.) and damn it, it's still amazing.
Iron out some stuff at the end, and man, we'll have the perfect game.
It's like Mikami doesn't know how to end a game. He just goes balls out on the action.
The game was a masterpiece. It influenced and inspired so many incredible games that came after it (Gears, Dead Space, TLOU etc.) and damn it, it's still amazing.
Iron out some stuff at the end, and man, we'll have the perfect game.
Like.. the great thing about RE4 is that it actually feels like an adventure game. It doesn't need to have more more action of horror, I think it strikes a perfect balance with tense and exciting moments and room to breathe between them. This is a game that I want a 1:1 remake of if it's necessary to remake.
the only thing i can think of is expanding its world a bit - more areas to explore, and maybe smoothing some of the rough island edges. graphics could be a thing
As somebody who isn't really attached to 4, I would love an fixed camera, ReMake like backgrounds, remake. I know the gameplay would turn a lot of people off, but it could be a visual powerhouse with those limits.