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Nov 2, 2017
6,837
Shibuya
As someone who actually liked Battleborn, that move was pathetic and embarrassing.

His incredulity was so unconvincing that I wouldn't be surprised if he rounded up all the Battleborn porn he could get his hands on, made that subreddit himself, and then pretended to find out about it from someone else.

Edit: Looking it up again, he made that tweet hours after the subreddit was created. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did that shit.
But like... it's just porn. Adult fan art. Like, it's a weird thing to do, but it wasn't from the Battleborn or Gearbox Twitter accounts, just his. Reminds me of when Yoko Taro asked people to forward him 2B porn. I just mean to say that I understand that there are things he's done that support your thesis statement, but I don't think that one is really a black mark or anything. Weird, sure, but shaming people for banal links to pornography is odd imo.
 

danhz

Member
Apr 20, 2018
3,258
If i am honest, i didnt even remember all the things he had done if i wouldnt have read this thread.
Imagine now ppl that dont even read forums.
 

IIFloodyII

Member
Oct 26, 2017
24,208
I love how it's okay to accuse people of CP on this forum like it's nothing lol
It's really nasty, the guy is a knob, but calling him a pedo based on just those allegations shouldn't fly here, especially with how stuff like lazy devs gets stomped out quick. At least wait until there's some solid evidence, before labelling him something so horrible.
 

Taker34

QA Tester
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
1,122
building stone people
Currently he seems to be a good person, deep inside. Yeah he says weird things about his games and tends to lie but it could be worse. At least he's not Notch.
 

Mandikiri

Banned
Apr 21, 2018
293
Boston, MA.
I don't know who he is or was until this thread. But regardless, I am very excited about Borderlands 3 and shall be getting it. Played the previous ones.
 

duckroll

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,446
Singapore
But what does BL3 'gain' by having him in the forefront?

In addition to the serious accusations against him going on now, the members of the press don't like him, at all.
That's not how Randy Pitchford operates. It's not about how anyone or anything else "gains", but rather what HE "gains" from it. Gearbox is his studio, his baby, his birthright. Borderlands is a successful IP that HIS studio created and if HE cannot be in the forefront enjoying all the attention then what is HE doing anything for?

I think when you think about it in that light, it makes more sense.
 

Uthred

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,567
Well thinking it's cool an almost 50 year old man looking for "barely legal" porn is cool is certainly a take.

You're only allowed to find people your own age attractive? You do know the purpose of porn right? What's the acceptable age range for finding someone sexually attractive? +/-10? +/-20?
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
Member
Dec 24, 2017
17,734
You're only allowed to find people your own age attractive? You do know the purpose of porn right? What's the acceptable age range for finding someone sexually attractive? +/-10? +/-20?
I mean, I don't think you need to have some specific definitive number to say whether or not something is creepy.
 

Ronin1138

Banned
Jan 10, 2019
246
If I remember right he wasn't the only one at Gearbox doing shady shit. In the lead up to borderlands 1 didn't 2 gearbox employees get caught on neogaf starting threads to hype up the game?
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
57,223
Obviously he's been associated with some controversy in the past. Generally speaking, a lot of people in the press and enthusiast gamers don't really like him for various reasons:

Deflecting issues. Blaming others. (Aliens Colonial Marines / SEGA)
Lying.
Go after members of the press (Jim Sterling) - also calling him fat
Telling journalists "to do their jobs"
Accusations of Owning pornographic content of underage girls. Pitchford claiming his USB was filled with "barely legal" content. Hmkay....
Accusations of embezzlement and fraud.
and then there is this...

As the CEO of Gearbox, the developer of Borderlands 3, I'm curious to see if they don't want him being on the front for Borderlands 3. Like he was for the first two main entries. Borderlands is generally a well liked series, with a lot of fans on this forum. But also said fans really don't like this guy, and it's always just seems unfair when you have a lot of people working hard on this game under a CEO who just kind of ruins it for everyone. I'm not exactly sure what the benefit of having PItchford be the face of the franchise exactly does, but it seems -at least in certain circles- it provides no benefit, but only harm.

Obligatory



The above video isn't a trailer for Borderlands, but no one would hold it against you if you thought it was. After all, the art style is remarkably similar---disconcertingly similar, one might say---and even the silent plot appears to share some similar elements with Gearbox's first-person shooter.

CodeHunters was the brainchild of Ben Hibon, who had been commissioned to produce the film by MTV back in 2006.

Unsurprisingly, it met with universal praise for its unique art style and action-packed story.
Borderlands, basically, which opens with this cinematic (see article for videos) Notice the similarities?
"I was contacted by Gearbox prior to the re-design of the game – in 2008," Ben Hibon told Gather Your Party's Mark Ceb in an interview (the above comparison screens are taken from that interview.)
"To be absolutely clear," Hibon told Gather Your Party, "I have never created or designed anything for Gearbox or Borderlands. Gearbox saw my work and decided to reproduce it – make it their own – without my help or my consent."
 
Oct 29, 2017
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That's not how Randy Pitchford operates. It's not about how anyone or anything else "gains", but rather what HE "gains" from it. Gearbox is his studio, his baby, his birthright. Borderlands is a successful IP that HIS studio created and if HE cannot be in the forefront enjoying all the attention then what is HE doing anything for?

I think when you think about it in that light, it makes more sense.
Or maybe he just plain enjoys it and it's not an ego trip?
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
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Dec 24, 2017
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Bird

Member
Dec 7, 2017
341
Florida
The attempts to dunk on Randy in this thread are downright malicious. Someone also love the people that seem desperate to prove they are The Least Horny.
 

Jamie

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
941
Not at the moment, it all depends if those accusations can be proven. Like mentioned a thousand times, no one outside gaming forums knows or cares about this guy's personal life, just a guy who loves gaming as far as most people are concern.
 

duckroll

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,446
Singapore
Or maybe he just plain enjoys it and it's not an ego trip?
Enjoying attention is an ego trip though. Getting people to listen to your stories and believing them because you have their attention, and then using that to tell tall tales that inflate your own ego more to make your own life sound more interesting and exciting is a real thing. A real Randy Pitchford thing.

https://www.engadget.com/2009/08/17/whats-in-a-name-gearbox-software/
 

dennett316

Member
Nov 2, 2017
2,987
Blackpool, UK
The whole "barely legal" thing is gross. It does nothing but remind me of the creepy fucks who see a girl below legal age and say "can't wait till she's 18". Hell, I remember once a shitty UK tabloid showed bikini pictures of a young girl of 15 (Linsey Dawn McKenzie) and posted a countdown to when she turned 16 and was legally allowed to post topless for them. BUnch of weirdo pervs were writing in talking about how beautiful she was...I found it gross even at the time, and I was a 16 year old idiot.
It's creepy as fuck.

Ignoring all that though, Pitchford is a bit of a turd. If he told me the sky was blue and water was wet, I'd check for myself.
 
Oct 29, 2017
890
Enjoying attention is an ego trip though. Getting people to listen to your stories and believing them because you have their attention, and then using that to tell tall tales that inflate your own ego more to make your own life sound more interesting and exciting is a real thing. A real Randy Pitchford thing.

https://www.engadget.com/2009/08/17/whats-in-a-name-gearbox-software/
There's other ways to get joy from it, he could get joy from seeing the faces of the fans as he shows off his game. Maybe he loves hearing people's impressions when they get their hands on the game for the first time at shows. Maybe he loves doing interviews for the game because hes so enthusiastic about it. Telling a fake story 10 years ago doesn't condemn the man for life.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
57,223
There's other ways to get joy from it, he could get joy from seeing the faces of the fans as he shows off his game. Maybe he loves hearing people's impressions when they get their hands on the game for the first time at shows. Maybe he loves doing interviews for the game because hes so enthusiastic about it. Telling a fake story 10 years ago doesn't condemn the man for life.
The guy has a history of shadiness, creepiness, weird confrontational arrogance, and a history of telling of lies. It's perfectly fine for people to wish he had nothing to do with a game they're fond of.
 

Strangelove_77

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,392
Shit, it's creepy to masturbate to an 18 year old unless you're near her age now. I'm 32, is it ok for me to jerk it to 18 year olds or am i too old?
 

TheIlliterati

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,782
It's a little late for this thread, seeing as how I think I watched more total footage of Randy Pitchford on stage today than he's ever been at the forefront of any game. The ship has sailed, and he's on the prow.
 
Oct 29, 2017
890
The guy has a history of shadiness, creepiness, weird confrontational arrogance, and a history of telling of lies. It's perfectly fine for people to wish he had nothing to do with a game they're fond of.
None of that has anything to do with his reasons for wanting to be involved with the marketing of his games. Saying someone has one bad characteristic so therefore they have this bad characteristic too holds no ground. Also I never said it wasn't fine for people to wish that.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
57,223
None of that has anything to do with his reasons for wanting to be involved with the marketing of his games. Saying someone has one bad characteristic so therefore they have this bad characteristic too holds no ground. Also I never said it wasn't fine for people to wish that.
A person involved so prominently in the marketing is the face of the game.

Read through the thread, there's plenty of shit behaviour from this man. Many people simply don't want to support that, but he didn't code and design the game all by himself. Again, it's a perfectly reasonable thing to not want a person like him associated in such a prominent way with something you're fond of.
 

duckroll

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,446
Singapore
There's other ways to get joy from it, he could get joy from seeing the faces of the fans as he shows off his game. Maybe he loves hearing people's impressions when they get their hands on the game for the first time at shows. Maybe he loves doing interviews for the game because hes so enthusiastic about it. Telling a fake story 10 years ago doesn't condemn the man for life.
I'm not condemning him, I'm saying he has an ego that clearly makes him want to put himself out there. And because he puts himself out there so much, a lot of what he says well.... condemns himself. Which is why the press bags on him so much.
 

Ragaar31

Member
Oct 25, 2017
199
There's no proof the porn was child porn, but it's pretty crazy he had porn of any kind on a USB drive full of company assets. And he's definitely a liar and a conman. The Colonial Marines stuff and all the lawsuits going on. It's a bad look.

So the way I see it, he's a conman at best and at worst he's into child porn. I wouldn't want him to be the face of the company if I had any say.
 
Oct 29, 2017
890
A person involved so prominently in the marketing is the face of the game.

Read through the thread, there's plenty of shit behaviour from this man. Many people simply don't want to support that, but he didn't code and design the game all by himself. Again, it's a perfectly reasonable thing to not want a person like him associated in such a prominent way with something you're fond of.
Again I literally said I didn't have a problem with the bolded in my last post.

I'm not condemning him, I'm saying he has an ego that clearly makes him want to put himself out there. And because he puts himself out there so much, a lot of what he says well.... condemns himself. Which is why the press bags on him so much.
That's not clear at all though. All I'm trying to say is you don't always have to assume the worst about people.
 
Nov 2, 2017
4,485
Birmingham, AL
Most people buying the game does not know who he is, nor do they care.

And even if I was interested in Borderlands 3, I wouldn't let that monster stop me from playing the game that so many people put everything they have into developing.
 

Kyle Cross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,483
No, it's not. It's "underage" porn, the quotes are intentional. This has been explained to you on the previous page, in great detail. I think Pitchford's a bell end but that's no reason to make shit up about him (because there are ample actual things to slam him on)
The fuck is different between underage and "underage"? You said it was explained to me in great detail, but I really don't get the difference.
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,040
Seems odd that of all places, how easily people write off the things surrounding Pitchford. There's a lot of focus here about rule34 content and the accusation of a debatable definition of underage porn, but iirc there was a lot of issues regarding his way of business, legal or otherwise, even back when Aliens: Colonial Marines was released.
Just kind of crazy we rake devs over the coals over 'downgrades' or X developer is the worst for not putting a Switch port out at the same time as the other ports, but the accusations of shitty business practices and possible crimes should be hand-waved because...Borderlands 2 was great?

Your average joe likely doesn't know any developer names, but it doesn't stop us from dragging Sean Murray, David Cage, Cliff Bleszinski, and many other developers behind the wagon at every opportunity.

That all said, there isn't a solid reason for him to not be attached to Borderlands 3. As said above and as many made it clear, plenty who are aware don't care, and a lot of the newer elements around this latest lawsuit aren't verifiable and shouldn't be held against him until found guilty. We don't give the same pass to a lot of others, given how the US Justice System typically works for those of his sort, but in a perfect world innocent until proven guilty.
 

Defuser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,346
As long as Gearbox Software has the Borderlands IP, Randy Pitchford will continue to be that local drug dealer. You know you hate him cause he's a asshole but he has the stuff that you really addicted to.
 

Schaft0620

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
838
Where are the CEO's of EA, Take Two, Sega, Square, Ubi? Not running around at conventions shaking hands and putting out fan service games. We get a little to close to a guy who goes above and beyond the norm and we have a meltdown when we find out the guy jacks off. This is why we don't get to hear from Gabe Newell and anybody else that's sick of the constant outraged community.

he should distance himself from the entire industry and probably girls under 18

He had a usb with child porn

He should be GONE

Everyone on here needs to stop with this made up bull shit.

Calling someone a pedophile isn't a joke and this isn't even accurate to the made up rumor about him.

I love how it's okay to accuse people of CP on this forum like it's nothing lol

I'm baffled that there are not even warnings.
 
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astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
57,223
EDITED --- quoted the wrong person before --- updated:

Again I literally said I didn't have a problem with the bolded in my last post.


That's not clear at all though. All I'm trying to say is you don't always have to assume the worst about people.


The point you were debating was a single example of the man's behaviour, mixed with everything else we do know it's telling of his character.

You're talking like all we have is the suggestion of a single character flaw and we're attempting to condemn him for that.
 
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Illusion

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,407
99% of people buying Borderlands 3 will have no idea about the Pitchford allegations, or who the fuck Randy Pitchford is in general
This. And fans don't care when told because they like Borderlands.

"Oh he funneled money to make a better game"?
Is the general mindset people have.

"He likes barely legal girls that's fine, that doesn't stop me from enjoying Borderlands".
Is the separating the art from the artist outlook.

Hundreds of people worked on Borderlands, I understand the point it's not fair to judge a company by its head, but the fact Randy despite his many outrages is still a public figure for the company and despite all of his past history, can come on stage and be a very cringey host and terrible public speaker. No matter what, that makes his company and the people who work under him look bad in my eyes.
 

Goat Mimicry

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,920
But like... it's just porn. Adult fan art. Like, it's a weird thing to do, but it wasn' like form the Battleborn or Gearbox Twitter accounts, just his. Reminds me of when Yoko Taro asked people to forward him 2B porn. I just mean to say that I understand that there are things he's done that support your thesis statement, but I don't think that one is really a black mark or anything. Weird, sure.

I mean, there were ways he could have promoted the game that didn't involve pretending to discover video game porn for the first time. The way he did that when there were other avenues available just played into his image. The game could and should have gone free to play well before that stunt, but instead it took 5 or 6 more months for that to actually happen, and Randy was publicly fighting against the very idea even further back when he could have been hyping it up.

It would have just been weird and unexpected coming from almost anyone else in the industry, and I probably wouldn't have held it against them. Most other people in the industry don't have Pitchford's reputation, though, and that stunt fit him like a glove. Nobody else I can think of has his mix of craven dishonesty and sleaziness.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,240
Everyone on here needs to stop with this made up bull shit.

Calling someone a pedophile isn't a joke and this isn't even accurate to the made up rumor about him.


I'm baffled that there are not even warnings.
lol yup. If anything, when you point people on this site are defaming people with accusations like this and borderline crazy, you end up catching a ban for downplaying the behaviour of the (falsely) accused.