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Shawn Layden: "I would welcome a return to the 12 to 15 hour AAA game"
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Odyssey doesn't take near that amount to finish, that is completionist territory, including DLC. The main campaign is roughly 40 hours.
Man The Last of Us 2 isn't part of this. The game is 25 hours with basically no real side content. But it isn't paced badly at all. There's a reason it's that long. This is more like a Death Stranding/Days Gone issue. Specifically games that shoot to tell a story but also have an open world structure for no reason other than that it's bigger. Death Stranding is a 20 hour story told over 40 hours. So is Days Gone.
It's plain as day to see a game that is padded out unnecessarily. The Last of Us Part II is not one of them.
With very, very few exceptions, I won't buy any game north of £20 nowadays, so perceived length value isn't an issue for me. I'd welcome tighter experiences.
For the most part, my sweet spot for a game is between 8-12 hours. So yeah Shawn, I agree.
That doesnt mean I dont like the juggernaught game from time to time.. but more often than not. ~10 hours is more than enough.
That doesnt mean I dont like the juggernaught game from time to time.. but more often than not. ~10 hours is more than enough.
I think there's a place for longer, sprawling adventures, but personally I would love to see more games the length and design of Uncharted: The Lost Legacy. That was perfect.
He's absolutely right, and there's the question of how much does all the effort put in by designers get appreciated really? I've seen so many people on Youtube rush by all the wonderful environments in games like Bloodborne, get killed and then complain for ages. What good is attention to detail if nobody else is looking at it?
I hope this next generation uses it's improved systems to streamline development and create content in a timely and effective manner, rather than bloating everything up as it has done this generation. But that is highly unlikely.
I hope this next generation uses it's improved systems to streamline development and create content in a timely and effective manner, rather than bloating everything up as it has done this generation. But that is highly unlikely.
well the OP seems to suggest that AAA games should be shorter to reduce production costs, and all else remains the same, including price.
I'm expecting miles morales to be full price because they know everyone picking up a PS5 this holiday will gladly pay up :p
I just want high quality content. I would prefer that be within 10-20 hours though. So yeah, I agree with Shawn.
The price posts in here are part of the reason why we get those super long games in the first place.
The price posts in here are part of the reason why we get those super long games in the first place.
Right. Honestly this is just me but I would gladly pay 60$ for an amazing 10/10 masterpiece that's so tightly paced I cum
I'd like both to co-exist.
I absolutely loved RE2 and I absolutely love TLOU2, there is enough space for both. I feel developers should decide for themselves what to push for - I get something different out of these games.
But no one should feel pressured into making bigger and bigger games. RE2 clearly proves you can make a fantastic 8 hour long game. It's probably my favorite game this gen.
I absolutely loved RE2 and I absolutely love TLOU2, there is enough space for both. I feel developers should decide for themselves what to push for - I get something different out of these games.
But no one should feel pressured into making bigger and bigger games. RE2 clearly proves you can make a fantastic 8 hour long game. It's probably my favorite game this gen.
Why? A shorter game would help development be smoother so that crunch could be reduced. If the quality if there, paying full price for it is fine to sustain a model that mitigates crunch. Not all games have to last tens of hours to justify their price tag.
Shawn Layden: "I would welcome a return to the 12 to 15 hour AAA game"
Former PlayStation executive Shawn Layden has called for the industry to examine the trend towards bigger and more expe…www.gamesindustry.biz
Oh god, yes!, one of the reasons i've stopped playing games almost altogether before the pandemic was because a lot of the games i wanted to play were just too long and, for the time i had available, just made me feel like it wasn't worth the effort.
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Word. Everything about this game is perfect so far. I don't like open world games but naughty Dog found the perfect formula for me with this.
Yeah I find that often I miss that middle-ground between the huge AAA-timesinks and short, focused indie-titles.
I'd rather have a short game with good pacing than a needlessly padded one.
*glares at the FF7 remake*
*glares at the FF7 remake*
Why should hours of content define the price tag?
Publishers are going to price their games to maximise profit.
More definately does not equal better, regarding content.
Yes, please! I'm sick of all the content bloat to the point I don't even play very many AAA games anymore. Last I played was RE3 Remake and I loved it. Maybe that one was a little too short, but I definitely enjoyed the experience much more than if it was too long.
I miss the days when it was a rare thing that a game went on for more than 10-15 hours. Mostly j/RPGs. It was always nice to have such a game to fill out the Summer, but now far too many are too long.
I miss the days when it was a rare thing that a game went on for more than 10-15 hours. Mostly j/RPGs. It was always nice to have such a game to fill out the Summer, but now far too many are too long.
It isn't as about quantity, it is about quality. How much good content can you include?
~12 hours seems right for a single player game. Modern open world games should hence last about 14 minutes and the next Assassins Creed should have ended years ago.
~12 hours seems right for a single player game. Modern open world games should hence last about 14 minutes and the next Assassins Creed should have ended years ago.
I want a return to the 7-9 hour AAA game like the good ol Uncharted 2 days.
It is if the game is good.
Games haven't gone up in price in decades. Also length isn't quality, I'd happily pay the same money for a 4 hour game if it was amazing just like I get my money's worth paying $$ for a 2 hour movie at cinema.
They haven't, I dunno how long you game but in Europe I remember when the euro was introduced in 2002 those PS2 games cost 59 to 69 euro, I remember paying 69 euro for THUG on GC.
Sure, some games would be good with that length; I agree.
But good luck trying to sell it to consumers at full price.
But good luck trying to sell it to consumers at full price.
Amen to this.
I still haven't finished Odyssey because of just how much it keeps throwing at me. Been playing it off and on for the past couple of years now.
Last of Us Part 2 was well over 20 hours, which felt supremely unnecessary for the story they were trying to tell.
I think there's obviously room for campaigns of varying length, and a game's value shouldn't be dinged if it's 14 hours vs one that's 30 hours.
That being said, to those of you lamenting TLOU2's length, maybe you're unhappy because you burned through a 25-30 hour game in one weekend. Like, that seems very intense to me, to say the least.
That being said, to those of you lamenting TLOU2's length, maybe you're unhappy because you burned through a 25-30 hour game in one weekend. Like, that seems very intense to me, to say the least.
Death Stranding had great Pacing as well the open world was apart of the story telling. Now Days gone on the other hand would have been great if it was just a open world Dead Rising with a serious overtone. Studio Bend please just steal that Idea. I would love a high quality dead rising type game.
I dont think it should be a default blanket response to open world design that trended for a lot of the past decade, but it makes sense for open world AND narrative driven games being made in the AAA pipeline to be unsustainable.
17 hrs into TLOU2 its wide linear is hit or miss (mostly hit) for me. I have to play more, but I prefer GOW2018's wide linear so far.
i can agree to a point, mostly because i'm old and prefer linear to open world.
like i like the gears 5 linear portions a lot better than the open world, and preferred the whole game to just be linear. the linear portions also looked exquisite.
that said this is a non existent or self limiting/correcting problem. studios will not make things that dont make profit.
also, there are all kinds of indies and other games of every conceivable shape, size, and length to scratch that shorter story itch.
anyways this comes up every few years seems like. i remember cliffyb and/or epic complaining about it years ago. gaming marches on regardless, and zillions of games constantly get made, and they wouldn't if they weren't making profit.
like i like the gears 5 linear portions a lot better than the open world, and preferred the whole game to just be linear. the linear portions also looked exquisite.
that said this is a non existent or self limiting/correcting problem. studios will not make things that dont make profit.
also, there are all kinds of indies and other games of every conceivable shape, size, and length to scratch that shorter story itch.
anyways this comes up every few years seems like. i remember cliffyb and/or epic complaining about it years ago. gaming marches on regardless, and zillions of games constantly get made, and they wouldn't if they weren't making profit.
Sure, but don't expect me to pay full price. I'd rather they move on from the goal of photorealistic graphics and reduce marketing expenses in order to cut costs rather than drastically cut game length.
I agree totally. I don't always need 30+ hour games. Games like Lost Legacy and even RE3 were perfectly fine with me.
In general, no thanks. I tend to prefer a longer experience, as long as it's remotely justified. But then, I'm a guy who looks at Persona 5 Royal's 100-120 hour playtime and sees that as a great thing, so.
Wouldn't mind a few shorter games every now and then, though. There's room for both in the gaming landscape.
Wouldn't mind a few shorter games every now and then, though. There's room for both in the gaming landscape.
Plus the price is related to the bloat, they price it to ensure they make money, based on their expense in developing a 3 to 5 year AAA game. That's salary and other overhead. If a game can be made in 2 years, the cost will reduce accordingly, and could be priced cheaper.