Seattle Seahawks are trading Russell Wilson to the Denver Broncos

Trey · Mar 8, 2022

Jimmy G makes $27m/yr which is starter money. Team taking him in would have to start him for it to make any sense to trade for him. His contract is up next season so it's likely a rental. The entire league knows his limitations, and there's a FA class of several similar replacement level starting QBs in Mariota, Winston, Fitzpatrick that can be signed for significantly cheaper than Garoppolo while providing similar value.

What kind of teams could use a one year rental starter? Ones that have a young QB of the future they plan to draft this season knowing full well the team they have around them isn't good enough to compete seriously for a title in 22. But then why would such a team spend a first day pick on that kind of player? Clearly they need all the high draft picks they can get!

So where does this mythical value come from wherein Garoppolo grabs a first day pick that doesn't rely on some GM being high off bath salts? Trading a first day pick for Cousins makes more sense than Jimmy G if the stars aligned for a team needing consistent if not elite QB play.

Nameless · Mar 8, 2022

Trey said:
Panthers are an incredibly poorly run organization last few years with a desperate GM at the time, and even then Darnold was like 6 years younger than garrapolo is now. Panthers likely won't make that stupid of a mistake again, and no team in the league thinks they're a Jimmy G away from contention.

So what? The age difference didn't suddenly negate Darnold consistently showing a lower ceiling and floor than Jimmy without any of the success.

adj_noun · Mar 8, 2022

romey · Mar 8, 2022

That 9th pick is probably going to be used on Willis or Cross. Not a bad way to start the rebuild for Seattle.

TheSkullPrince · Mar 8, 2022

Dougieflesh said:
Top 15 Qb, but yall traded all them picks for Trey Lance. What is it 49er fans? Is Jimmy the guy or not?

We're not arguing that. We know he's not the guy. But, but there are QB-starved teams out there who might panic and overpay for him. That's what we want. Will it happen? It might, it might not.

whytemyke · Mar 8, 2022

And just like that…
DETROIT WITH A TOP 5 QB IN THE NFC AGAIN

drops ball

Walter White Walker · Mar 8, 2022

TheSkullPrince said:
It doesn't matter if Niners fans over value Jimmy, only thing that matters is that some schmuck GM over values Jimmy.

I rather doubt any GM is going to overvalue Jimmy G. He'll play somewhere I'm sure, but he isn't very good.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

Trey said:
So where does this mythical value come from wherein Garoppolo grabs a first day pick that doesn't rely on some GM being high off bath salts? Trading a first day pick for Cousins makes more sense than Jimmy G if the stars aligned for a team needing consistent if not elite QB play.

Niners fans spent a good chunk of the season cursing Jimmy and begging for Trey to play, then proceeded to curse Jimmy for once again throwing them out of a playoff loss, but at the same time want people to believe Jimmy is this great QB who just wins with a high ceiling and a ton of value. Can't have it both ways.

SilentMike03 · Mar 8, 2022

whatever intern is running the seahawks twitter is in their feelings right now lol

TheSkullPrince · Mar 8, 2022

Walter White Walker said:
I rather doubt any GM is going to overvalue Jimmy G. He'll play somewhere I'm sure, but he isn't very good.

Have you seen some of the deals GMs in this league have made? Why does everyone seem to think that all GMs are competent?

And you're right, he's not that good, but good enough is all you need sometimes is what a lot of people think.

Chrome Hyena · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
If he's this good why did San Francisco trade three firsts for a Quarterback who played one whole college game?

They were struck with "mahomes syndrome ", that's why. Go back and read some of the talk about Trey. He was making "mahomes like throws" and was "the next mahomes". Even Lynch was making comparisons. Insanity tbh.

For me the question should be what is Trey showing in practice which makes Kyle gunshy about him?

Nameless · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
Yes, he did. Because he was a 23 year old with a lot of physical tools who was in a shitty situation with the Jets. Its easy to understand why teams might talk themselves into being able to "fix" him. Jimmy G is 30. And he's spent the last 5 years playing in essentially a perfect situation for him, with a QB "guru" running his offense, playing on a loaded team with talent up and down the roster. And he's still been fairly mediocre enough that the Niners couldn't wait to replace him. You don't seem to understand how teams value QBs or evaluate individual players. they don't really give all that much of a shit about "deep playoff runs" and "super bowl appearances", certainly not enough to suddenly vault the value of a fairly pedestrian QB up to a first rounder.

You're always quick to point out what people don't understand while simultaneously showing you don't understand. Which you don't if you honestly believe Darnold had more value. Age isn't some magical factor that negates everything else. Intangibles, stats/metrics, wins. Darnold is an inferior player across the board and to argue anything different is frankly ridiculous.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

TheSkullPrince said:
Have you seen some of the deals GMs in this league have made? Why does everyone seem to think that all GMs are competent?

And you're right, he's not that good, but good enough is all you need sometimes is what a lot of people think.

There is a difference between dumb, and dumb enough to give up a first round pick (or possibly more?) for Jimmy G. If you take the blinders off, the reality is that Jimmy G is closer to the Jameis/Mitch Trubisky tier of QB than he is an elite guy, or even the guys with potential like Wentz or Darnold, who were dealt recently.

CrankyJay · Mar 8, 2022

SilentMike03 said:
whatever intern is running the seahawks twitter is in their feelings right now lol

lol
Woooooooow

Dougieflesh · Mar 8, 2022

Nameless said:
You're always quick to point out what people don't understand while simultaneously showing you don't understand. Which you don't if you honestly believe Darnold had more value. Age isn't some magical factor that negates everything else. Intangibles, stats/metrics, wins. Darnold is an inferior player across the board and to argue anything different is frankly ridiculous.

Teams in all leagues trade for young potential all the time. They always think they can be the ones to harness and fix the player.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

Nameless said:
You're always quick to point out what people don't understand while simultaneously showing you don't understand. Which you don't if you honestly believe Darnold had more value. Age isn't some magical factor that negates everything else. Intangibles, stats/metrics, wins. Darnold is an inferior player across the board and to argue anything different is frankly ridiculous.

The idea that Darnold last year had more value around the league than Jimmy now, based on a number of factors (age, physical ability, pedigree) isn't crazy. Does that mean Darnold is a better player? No. But it explains why he commanded the trade compensation he did. And its not something teams are going to view out of Jimmy. Jimmy doesn't have much of a ceiling. He's viewed as an experienced starter. Thats about it. It speaks to, again, a very highly inflated view of Jimmy G that you and other Niner fans have.

The fact that you dismiss "age" as something teams use to evaluate players and their values, and prop up "intangibles' says it all 🤣

TheSkullPrince · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
There is a difference between dumb, and dumb enough to give up a first round pick (or possibly more?) for Jimmy G. If you take the blinders off, the reality is that Jimmy G is closer to the Jameis/Mitch Trubisky tier of QB than he is an elite guy, or even the guys with potential like Wentz or Darnold, who were dealt recently.

While that's all well and true, those guys you listed don't have Jimmy's playoff experience. I'm sure some GM is going to fool himself into thinking that's gotta count.

But we'll see. Either we get at least a mid-to-late 1st rounder for him which is what most us want, or we get dick.

TheSkullPrince · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
The idea that Darnold last year had more value around the league than Jimmy now, based on a number of factors (age, physical ability, pedigree) isn't crazy. Does that mean Darnold is a better player? No. But it explains why he commanded the trade compensation he did. And its not something teams are going to view out of Jimmy. Jimmy doesn't have much of a ceiling. He's viewed as an experienced starter. Thats about it. It speaks to, again, a very highly inflated view of Jimmy G that you and other Niner fans have.

The fact that you dismiss "age" as something teams use to evaluate players and their values, and prop up "intangibles' says it all 🤣

There's also plenty folks in the media who have an inflated view of Jimmy, especially every time they bring up the bullshit "BUT JIMMY WINS" argument.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

TheSkullPrince said:
While that's all well and true, those guys you listed don't have Jimmy's playoff experience. I'm sure some GM is going to fool himself into thinking that's gotta count.

But we'll see. Either we get at least a mid-to-late 1st rounder for him which is what most us want, or we get dick.

Mitch Trubisky has "playoff experience". What is that worth? What good is Jimmy's playoff experience when he's played like shit in the playoffs? Teams don't actually care about that kind of shit, again, at least not to the extent that they will inflate Jimmy's worth up to a first rounder.

riotous · Mar 8, 2022

Maybe this isn't the right place to ask since this is apparently the "Jimmy G trade value" thread, but what are some of the draft potential picks that Seahawks just grabbed?

Man with Knife · Mar 8, 2022

AFC West has better quarterbacks than the whole NFC...smh

Version 3.0 · Mar 8, 2022

Wow. As a Broncos fan, this is really good news. The team has been awful since Peyton retired, and it couldn't be any clearer that the QB was the missing piece.

That sure is a ton of picks and personnel, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers. More years of losing seasons and last place division finishes certainly don't appeal.

TheSkullPrince · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
Mitch Trubisky has "playoff experience". What is that worth? What good is Jimmy's playoff experience when he's played like shit in the playoffs? Teams don't actually care about that kind of shit, again, at least not to the extent that they will inflate Jimmy's worth up to a first rounder.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Trubisky's only playoff experience as a starter was a first round playoffs exit? We can't really equate that to 2 NFC Championship and 1 Super Bowl appearance now can we?

Again like I said, we'll see. Some folks think that Jimmy won't net much because of his poor play, which yeah is the logical conclusion. But others like myself who know he's bad are thinking he'll net something valuable considering how desperate and emotional team front offices can get.

riotous said:
Maybe this isn't the right place to ask since this is apparently the "Jimmy G trade value" thread, but what are some of the draft potential picks that Seahawks just grabbed?

Sorry, forgot that this wasn't the NFL Thread lol

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

TheSkullPrince said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Trubisky's only playoff experience as a starter was a first round playoffs exit? We can't really equate that to 2 NFC Championship and 1 Super Bowl appearance now can we?

Again like I said, we'll see. Some folks think that Jimmy won't net much because of his poor play, which yeah is the logical conclusion. But others like myself who know he's bad are thinking he'll net something valuable considering how desperate and emotional team front offices can get.

You can because the point is that its sort of pointless to attribute playoff appearances/experience to an individual players, particularly one that has played as poorly in the playoffs as Jimmy has. What good is that "playoff experience" when he's clearly held the Niners back in the playoffs? Thats just more sample size for teams to see what kind of QB he actually is, if anything.

Cybit · Mar 8, 2022

Seahawks got fleeced in the trade - and the Seahawks offense was 2nd in the league at yards per play prior to the Wilson injury last year. He's still a Tier 2 (below Rodgers Mahomes Allen Jackson [when healthy] Burrow) / Pro Bowl / dark horse MVP level QB. As a long-time Dolphins fan (and Seattle resident of 15 years), I don't think people realize how hard it is to get a QB if you aren't lucking into the number one pick during a generationally good QB draft. Also Jody Allen may end up as #1 on the most hated sports owners list considering the Blazers also falling apart at the same time.

Kraid · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
If he's this good why did San Francisco trade three firsts for a Quarterback who played one whole college game?

He only played one game in the COVID season but Lance was a monster as a Sophomore at NDSU: 2786 passing yards, with 28 TDs + 0 INTs, and 1100 rushing yards with 14 TDs. He's the best QB they've ever had.

Nameless · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
The idea that Darnold last year had more value around the league than Jimmy now, based on a number of factors (age, physical ability, pedigree) isn't crazy. Does that mean Darnold is a better player? No. But it explains why he commanded the trade compensation he did. And its not something teams are going to view out of Jimmy. Jimmy doesn't have much of a ceiling. He's viewed as an experienced starter. Thats about it. It speaks to, again, a very highly inflated view of Jimmy G that you and other Niner fans have.

The fact that you dismiss "age" as something teams use to evaluate players and their values, and prop up "intangibles' says it all 🤣

Saying age doesn't automatically negate all other factors isn't dismissing age it's a factor. The fact that you seriously put Jimmy on the same level as Trubisky shows that you're the one with an unreliable gauge for QB play and value, to put it politely.

Instro · Mar 8, 2022

Leaving the Seahawks to go get clobbered by the Chiefs.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

Nameless said:
Saying age doesn't automatically negate all other factors isn't dismissing age it's a factor. The fact that you seriously put Jimmy on the same level as Trubisky shows that you're the one with an unreliable gauge for QB play and value, to put it politely.

In terms of what they are worth around the league? Absolute they are closer than Jimmy is to a top/elite type of QB. Both are essentially journeymen/starter level guys. Nothing more.

Walter White Walker · Mar 8, 2022

riotous said:
Maybe this isn't the right place to ask since this is apparently the "Jimmy G trade value" thread, but what are some of the draft potential picks that Seahawks just grabbed?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Seahawks trade the 1st round picks away for more lower round picks.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

🤣

darkside · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
Mitch Trubisky has "playoff experience". What is that worth? What good is Jimmy's playoff experience when he's played like shit in the playoffs? Teams don't actually care about that kind of shit, again, at least not to the extent that they will inflate Jimmy's worth up to a first rounder.

Probably going to be worth about $10-15 million a year. Trubisky is about to get paid.

Dude has looked a lot better by not playing the last year. He was never the problem in Chicago and he had way more success than anyone in Chicago actually wanted to admit.

If I was rooting for a team looking for a QB I'd honestly much rather roll the dice on a Trubisky than settle for a Jimmy G

Chrome Hyena · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
In terms of what they are worth around the league? Absolute they are closer than Jimmy is to a top/elite type of QB. Both are essentially journeymen/starter level guys. Nothing more.

Crazy talk.

Jimmy G is on another level compared to Tribusky come on. Jimmy is not elite but he is good. Mitch is average at best. I will admit Wentz is closer to Jimmy, but I'd take him over any of the "joirneyman" qbs.

Also let's not downplay the person who plays the most important position in the league. He is as responsible for their losses as he is their wins.

Ra · Mar 8, 2022

jbug617 said:
The swerve smh

Packers brass so mad Jordan Love's talent level isn't to Aaron's what his was to Brett's. Literally punching air.

Nameless · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
In terms of what they are worth around the league? Absolute they are closer than Jimmy is to a top/elite type of QB. Both are essentially journeymen/starter level guys. Nothing more.

But there is a massive middle ground between Franchise QBs and Journeymen/Destined Backups like Trubisky and Darnold. Only a handful of teams have an Elite guy. For those with playoffs rosters and no shot at landing one those few franchise QBs, there is a lot of value in that 11-20 range, "middle ground" QB. Which is where Jimmy is.

Instro · Mar 8, 2022

Jimmy will probably net something similar to what Alex Smith was traded for several years ago. A 2nd or 3rd rounder and maybe a player seems totally appropriate. Particularly since the 49ers will try to work with him a bit in terms of finding a decent team rather than just the highest bidder.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

I think you are vastly overrating Jimmy G if you don't think he falls into the Journeymen/Destined Backups camp as well. Middle ground QBs are guys like Cousins and Carr, who are far better than Jimmy.

Tamanon · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
🤣

Woooooof.... but true.

Nameless · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
I think you are vastly overrating Jimmy G if you don't think he falls into the Journeymen/Destined Backups camp as well. Middle ground QBs are guys like Cousins and Carr, who are far better than Jimmy.

Do you have anything to actually back this up outside of your own ass? Because based on stats and wins and whatever other factor you will surely handwave, Jimmy is objectively a cut of above the guys you keep comparing him to.

nilbog · Mar 8, 2022

Holy shit, Russ is out of the NFC West fuck yes this made my day.

Mass Effect · Mar 8, 2022

god damn it I was fearing this would happen.

Gigglepoo · Mar 8, 2022

Poor Russel Wilson getting overshadowed by the all mighty Jimmy G in his own thread.

just_myles · Mar 8, 2022

Division is stacked. Fuuuu. Feels bad.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

Nameless said:
Do you have anything to actually back this up outside of your own ass? Because based on stats and wins and whatever other factor you will surely handwave, Jimmy is objectively a cut of above the guys you keep comparing him to.

I don't know, maybe the fact that his own team despite having a 29 year old "11-20 middle ground QB" unloaded a ton of draft capital to replace him? How about the mountains of evidence over the last few years that Jimmy is so very clearly limited at operating an offense, reading the field, and making plays downfield? And this is on a team with a very QB friendly coach and with everything geared and built around his limitations. But nah you got "intangibles" so what do I know. "Jimmy just wins...except when he doesn't".

linkboy · Mar 8, 2022

Josh5890 said:
NFL contenders in 2022:

LA Rams
Green Bay

Dallas (maaaaaaybe)
San Francisco (depending on their QB situation)

The rest of the NFC

I'd put Arizona in that area as well. They're a good team that keeps shooting themselves in the foot.

miklo said:
Holy shit, Russ is out of the NFC West fuck yes this made my day.

Watch the 49ers still lose to them.

Nameless · Mar 8, 2022

NinjaScooter said:
I don't know, maybe the fact that his own team despite having a 29 year old "11-20 middle ground QB" unloaded a ton of draft capital to replace him? How about the mountains of evidence over the last few years that Jimmy is so very clearly limited at operating an offense, reading the field, and making plays downfield? And this is on a team with a very QB friendly coach and with everything geared and built around his limitations. But nah you got "intangibles" so what do I know. "Jimmy just wins...except when he doesn't".

So your own ass. got it.

NinjaScooter · Mar 8, 2022

Nameless said:
So your own ass. got it.

Shocked thats what you got out of it lol. Niners fans wanting to get rid of a guy all year, then turning around and singing his praises when it comes time to trade him 🤣

nilbog · Mar 8, 2022

linkboy said:
Watch the 49ers still lose to them.

I mean, of course that's a given. But Russ went nuts on the Niners, even last season. I'll take my chances without him.

Watch Seattle end up with Jimmy..

Gigglepoo · Mar 8, 2022

Despite Jimmy G's obvious limitations, I don't think the 49ers would have gone all in on drafting a rookie without the injury concerns. We're an elite team when he's healthy and putrid when he's not, of course they're going to find someone they think can actually stay on the field.

bsigg · Mar 8, 2022

Marcus Mariota to the Seahawks?

Seattle Seahawks are trading Russell Wilson to the Denver Broncos

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