£600 for a 6800 on Overclockers.co.uk what a complete joke. The 3070 is £470, so that's straight up price gouging.
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My bet is these see price drops to $499 for 6800 and $599 for 6800 xt by next spring.
They launched em with weird pricing because they knew they'd sell out anyways. Early adopter tax.
They launched em with weird pricing because they knew they'd sell out anyways. Early adopter tax.
I have talked with developers about the difference between AMD and Nvidia RT. I have been told flatly that AMD's RT acceleration is just slower at many things so optimisation differences mean a game designed around AMD's RT performance would want to reduce object complexity in the BVH and make rays as coherent as possible. It is the reason why all AMD RT sponsored titles are using RT Shadows (i presume). No complex shading step. No extremely divergent rays.
interesting how in the reviews I've seen the 6800 widens the gap with the 3070/2080Ti at higher resolutions.
At 1080p it's about on par/slightly better but becomes a good 10% faster at 4K. Not something I expected compared to a 2080Ti & Ampere in general.
At 1080p it's about on par/slightly better but becomes a good 10% faster at 4K. Not something I expected compared to a 2080Ti & Ampere in general.
Yeah, the 6800XT is interesting, in that it's genuinely very competitive with the 3080 in rasterizatised games, especially below 4k, but gets completely blown up in any raytracing tasks (ignoring DLSS).
Ultimately, once the cards are ready available at RRP, I would not be surprised if Nvidia trims the 3080 pricing to match the 6800XT, and that will make it a bit of a tough sell for the red card. Of course, it looks like neither will be available at RRP any time soon.
Ultimately, once the cards are ready available at RRP, I would not be surprised if Nvidia trims the 3080 pricing to match the 6800XT, and that will make it a bit of a tough sell for the red card. Of course, it looks like neither will be available at RRP any time soon.
Simuly and I forgot who else were VERY outspoken about it coming close in RT and just being a lot better in general.
Why were people expecting AMD RT to be anywhere near Nvidia's. It even took Nvidia a couple of years before RT became worth it.
Probably thinking of SummitRidge, who was a massive AMD fanboy, to the extent of claiming that Big Navi would deliver 4x the raytracing performance of the 2080Ti. Needless to say, that claim does not hold water.
What? It's 3080 ballpark and actually faster with SAM.
Yes the RT is a gen behind but that's expected.
No was talking about the OP of one of those threads, I have no idea who SummitRidge is.
Cu count wise and clocks yes, but it's a custom chip so it's not really a direct comparison.
I have no doubt about it for me we will not see RT out of shadows and specular reflection on consoles.
I was knowing if he placed GI before shadows and reflctions it means they will use other method than raytracing for it. And Unreal Engine 5(virtualised geometry) or Demon's Souls does not use RT maybe it will be something in many future console title will not use it or they will use some hybrid with SVOGI or froxel based GI or PBGI or mix of mutiple methods (Voxel, SDF...) like UE5 and some RT for specular reflections for example. It will be very sparsely used at least on consoles.
Well, based on the performance comparisons we have so far it seems to perform pretty much how you'd expect given the CUs & clocks if you were to compare it to a 6800.
I mean, I can probably be considered an AMD fan, but whoever thought RDNA2 would've been not only faster than a 3080 in RT, but 4x faster at that, has clearly lost his mind.
Yea it's too close in price to a 3080. Hopefully it drops in price. Still great to have competition.
Man, I was really hoping for better 4k performance from the 6800xt. Guess it's still a 3080 for me...
I have a 3070 but these bench marks are pretty insane. Props to AMD, but also fuck the review embargo being lifted as people can buy them. People shouldn't need to second guess these cards.
I have no doubt about it for me we will not see RT out of shadows and specular reflection on consoles.
I was knowing if he placed GI before shadows and reflctions it means they will use other method than raytracing for it. And Unreal Engine 5(virtualised geometry) or Demon's Souls does not use RT maybe it will be something in many future console title will not use it or they will use some hybrid with SVOGI or froxel based GI or PBGI or mix of mutiple methods (Voxel, SDF...) like UE5 and some RT for specular reflections for example. It will be very sparsely used at least on consoles.
This is very disappointing. Reflections are fine, shadows are fine but RT GI is the true gamechanger for me.
The Infinity Cache may be doing some funky things to resolution scaling. The 6800XT is faster than a 3090 at 1080p but slower than a 3080 at 4K.
yep people who thought amd had some magic sauce were drinking a little too much of the kool aid
seems like a good 3xxx alternative for raster though
Seems like there is an interesting split in audiences now.
If you are someone who prioritizes HFR gaming at 120 fps or 240 fps, the AMD cards will probably be better.
If you are someone who wants to max their image quality settings as much as possible at 60 fps, then Nvidia will probably be better.
If you are someone who prioritizes HFR gaming at 120 fps or 240 fps, the AMD cards will probably be better.
If you are someone who wants to max their image quality settings as much as possible at 60 fps, then Nvidia will probably be better.
So close. Was going through the checkout process on AMDs site, got through it and hit Place Order, it tries to load up the completed page... and the site crashes. No clue if it actually registered to go through, but Im not counting on it.
Oh well, was worth a shot.
Oh well, was worth a shot.
that and Nvidia is getting ready to release SAM on Ampere that will work on both AMD and Intel CPUs so that's anther box from amd unclicked
Love it when a pc hardware embargo lifts.
Now to actually watch them.
ok so I only need 2 hours to watch them all, perfect. lol
Yeah something is up with 4k performance. 3070 is a 256 bit bus card and it's doing better than 6800 xt in a lot of games.
Hopefully some driver updates help but yeah seems odd it's as fast as a 3080 at 1440p but slower than a 3070 (in certain titles anyway) even at 4k.
Hopefully some driver updates help but yeah seems odd it's as fast as a 3080 at 1440p but slower than a 3070 (in certain titles anyway) even at 4k.
I think the cards are solid but I'm a world where Nvidia isn't exactly sleeping at the wheel, AMD needs to have it's rt and fidelity fx stuff in order because it does damn good in raster.
I think it's a viable alternative but not quite close enough to meet the 3070/80/90 when I it comes to value.
While AMD is the darling on the CPU front, I would like for them to make an even bigger stride for their next cards.
I think it's a viable alternative but not quite close enough to meet the 3070/80/90 when I it comes to value.
While AMD is the darling on the CPU front, I would like for them to make an even bigger stride for their next cards.
Good summary, basically dead heat. But then add on RT/DLSS/driver familiarity and I'm sticking with Nvidia.
www.techspot.com
AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Review
The Radeon RX 6800 XT is AMD's new high-end gaming graphics card targeting the GeForce RTX 3080. We've had the card in our labs for a while,...
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RT GI and path tracing performance looks to be a bit of a car crash for RDNA2, so I think adoption is going to be really slow. Shadows and reduced resolution mirror reflections will be the norm.
The uplifts from SAM are really impressive but I'm locked out with a 3700x and B450 motherboard.
Power consumption is really impressive compared to Nvidia's offerings. AMD have done a lot of good here, but there are some major caveats.
If you're a 1080p high refresh rate gamer with a 5xxx Ryzen CPU, these cards are a fantastic option.
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amd is only giving a shit about it software after not giving a fuck for two decades they will take time to find their groove.
I've worked around drivers for gpus and networks neither are pretty and long terms goals take time.
4k doesn't seem that bad like many say here?
Computerbase benchmarks. https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11...itt_benchmarks_in_2560__1440_sowie_1920__1080
Computerbase benchmarks. https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11...itt_benchmarks_in_2560__1440_sowie_1920__1080
4k doesn't seem that bad like many say here?
Computerbase benchmarks. https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11...itt_benchmarks_in_2560__1440_sowie_1920__1080
Hmm
Lumen use realtime GI without raytracing and same for Demon's Souls. I suppose it will be the case for many title. This is not looking as good as with raytracing but this is less expensive and looks pretty good.
I suppose this will be how most of the title will do for the next 5 to 6 years.