RX 6800 ($579)/6800 XT ($649)/6900 XT ($999) launch on Nov 18/Dec 8

Tallshortman · Nov 17, 2020

DragonQuarter said:
Thanks! Is there a preferred AMD GPU manufacturer? I remember using XFX in the past, but wondering if there's one that's lauded above the others (kinda like how people say EVGA is one of the better Nvidia manufacturers).

I'd say Sapphire and Powercolor are usually the best AMD AIB but the reference cards are going to be basically the exact same so there's really no difference if that's what you're going for tomorrow. If you're waiting for AIB cards on the 25th, I'd recommend one of those two if possible

brain_stew · Nov 17, 2020

kostacurtas said:
Microcenter:

OcUK:

A whole 35 cards for possibly the biggest PC component etailer in the UK. Yikes.

LavaBadger · Nov 17, 2020

So reference tomorrow and AIBs later?

I take it benchmarks for games are embargoed until tomorrow too? I could be in for one of these cards, but I really want to see what raytracing performance looks like.

Vamphuntr · Nov 17, 2020

I really want benchmarks T.T I probably want either a 6800xt or 3080. Managed to get a Ryzen 5600x so I'm good on that front.

icecold1983 · Nov 17, 2020

brain_stew said:
I really don't think that applies for RT with RDNA2 vs. Ampere. It's just straight up slower.

I can see AMD taking a lead in raster performance that widens over time, but they're never going to catch up in RT performance with this generation of cards.

Don't underestimate how heavily software affects performance.

https://twitter.com/tankiistanki/status/1321509487388192768

Ra · Nov 17, 2020

brain_stew said:
A whole 35 cards for possibly the biggest PC component etailer in the UK. Yikes.

And they are already reserved by the robots.

People really thought AMD was going to be able to shame Nvidia by having tens of thousands of cards ready or something. Reality of production hits hard.

scitek · Nov 17, 2020

Steve from Hardware Unboxed said yesterday to expect the launch tomorrow to be as bad as the 3080, and the third-party launch to be slightly better next week. Still bad, though.

Al Gore's Thermostat · Nov 17, 2020

There is no possible way for AMD to meet the demand with Nvidia taking a vacation. They could have five times as many cards as Nvidia did and they'll still sell out.

The only question here is how fast they can restock. If AMD doesn't have as many supply issues, it'll be pretty good and your chances of buying one better than Nvidia, but they will still sell out.

OdjnRyu · Nov 17, 2020

If I can't nab a 6800XT at launch or the AIB a week after...I'm probably just going to get a 2070 and do the upgrade program with EVGA to a 3080. :/

tusharngf · Nov 17, 2020

AMD RDNA 2 Hangar 21 Technology Demo Video Due on November 19th

AMD will released a 'Hangar 21' Technology Demo video on Thursday, November 19th, to demonstrate the advancements in RDNA 2's Radeon GPUs.

wccftech.com

Buddy · Nov 17, 2020

So when can I grab one of these cards? I'm from germany and would like to order one from Amazon or Media Markt/Saturn....is there a time/date?

TraBuch · Nov 17, 2020

Was planning on waiting for a 6800, but just managed to snag a PNY 3070 from Office Depot so I guess I'm going with that.

Lausebub · Nov 17, 2020

Do we know, where these supply issues are coming from? Is it TSMC or something else? I could definitely see Ryzen and the consoles getting priority
over the GPUs.

civet · Nov 17, 2020

Pretty sure that AMD is producing everything at TSMC at the moment so there's surely a mad large demand of orders to fulfill. I wouldn't want to be working there just now I suppose.

Al Gore's Thermostat · Nov 17, 2020

Lausebub said:
Do we know, where these supply issues are coming from? Is it TSMC or something else? I could definitely see Ryzen and the consoles getting priority
over the GPUs.

We don't know for sure just yet. Video card takes several months to go from bare silicon to finished product, so if AMD has a normal restock following the launch, then we can say it's due to Nvidia's poor decision making-- at launch AMD will be dealing with the supply they decided on months ago when Nvidia hadn't gone "aight, ima head home". Right now it could be any number of things, I've seen Samsung's foundry and GDDR6X being blamed, but there's no proof of either AFAIK. It could just be coronavirus disruption or something.

EzekelRAGE · Nov 17, 2020

hmmmm, think ima wait for the reviews of the 6800xt to hit 2mrw. Let the dust settle and then if everything is on the up and up, try a nab a aib on the 25th. In between time will continue to try and get a 3080.

Al Gore's Thermostat · Nov 17, 2020

EzekelRAGE said:
hmmmm, think ima wait for the reviews of the 6800xt to hit 2mrw. Let the dust settle and then if everything is on the up and up, try a nab a aib on the 25th. In between time will continue to try and get a 3080.

This is my plan. It looks like AMD has some performance headroom this time around so AIBs aren't going to just be the same thing with gamer decoration like it is with Nvidia GPUs.

Pagano · Nov 17, 2020

Buddy said:
So when can I grab one of these cards? I'm from germany and would like to order one from Amazon or Media Markt/Saturn....is there a time/date?

Should be 3pm today. FE only though so you probably won't find any on Amazon or Media Markt. Caseking apparently won't have them either and the AMD-store is already barely working, so...

Dave. · Nov 17, 2020

Reviews are not due until the same time as they go on sale?

Nooblet · Nov 17, 2020

brain_stew said:
A whole 35 cards for possibly the biggest PC component etailer in the UK. Yikes.

After the whole 30 series situation, I'm not sure ocuk are the biggest retailer. Scan gets more volume than them consistently and they sold Founder's Edition too.

jukeboxhero2396 · Nov 17, 2020

Does the review embargo lift at midnight?

Buggy Loop · Nov 17, 2020

jukeboxhero2396 said:
Does the review embargo lift at midnight?

Probably at 9am est at the same time as product launch, like Zen 3. It's a bad practice honestly.. You can sort of have a safe gamble with CPUs as the benchmarks and tasks have been the same for decades now, but a GPU where the company is hush hush about RT performances in a time where there's a big generational leap away from traditional rasterization? Good luck to everyone taking that gamble tomorrow..

MythicReclaimer · Nov 17, 2020

These cards going to be available at Best Buy (online only I would imagine if even)?

Buggy Loop · Nov 17, 2020

civet said:
Pretty sure that AMD is producing everything at TSMC at the moment so there's surely a mad large demand of orders to fulfill. I wouldn't want to be working there just now I suppose.

Apple? The biggest customer to TSMC?

Clearly PC components are not priority, especially not high end. Just a look at steam hardware stats shows this, it's a negligible market when we compare with what TSMC outputs for other costumers.

It's probably Apple >> Sony/Microsoft >>>>>> zen 3 >> 6000 series

tokkun · Nov 17, 2020

Lausebub said:
Do we know, where these supply issues are coming from? Is it TSMC or something else? I could definitely see Ryzen and the consoles getting priority
over the GPUs.

TSMC has said that their 5nm and 7nm capacity is fully booked through the first half of 2021, so that seems like the most likely answer.

Buggy Loop said:
Apple? The biggest customer to TSMC?

Are they doing much 7nm these days? I thought they were already transitioned to 5nm on iPhone and their new ARM-based Macs.

TC McQueen · Nov 17, 2020

If Kyle Bennett's (IIRC) statement is true, AMD could be sending most of its GPUs to AIBs so that second or third wave of stock is mostly going to be AIB models, instead of trying to keep reference models constantly in stock.

Deleted member 2210 · Nov 17, 2020

i wish i even knew where to look for sapphires 6800xt.

Zaku3 · Nov 17, 2020

My local microcenter has 10 6800s. Already 12 people in line.

Alexx · Nov 17, 2020

brain_stew said:
A whole 35 cards for possibly the biggest PC component etailer in the UK. Yikes.

"More than 35" and it could've still been worse. For example, Amazon US didn't have any RTX 3080 available at launch. 0 stock for the largest e-tailer.

dgrdsv · Nov 17, 2020

icecold1983 said:
Current RT is tuned specifically for Nvidia. Now that consoles are here that will change.

It will "change" only in a sense that console games will avoid the most advanced RT usage options which are killing off RDNA2 performance.
Note that such options will still run faster on NV h/w.

icecold1983 said:
You already see how well the 5700xt is doing in dirt 5, godfall, valhalla, black ops etc. Performance trajectories are upwards for AMD and downwards for Nvidia from here on out.

Coincidentally 3 out of these 4 titles are sponsored by AMD. A pure coincidence for sure. Let's make assumptions on trajectories for everything.

icecold1983 said:
Let us not forget that low level APIs still mostly suck on Nvidia hardware as well

Which is another pure lie again from you.
Low level APIs require more optimizations on part of developer and if it's not done for some h/w it will suffer in performance.
AMD enjoys a "free ride" here because such optimizations are similar to those which are needed to do for consoles anyway.
But this doesn't mean that "low level APIs still mostly suck on Nvidia hardware". It means that developers don't do a good enough job optimizing their code for NV h/w. Especially in AMD sponsored titles - I wonder why.

Buggy Loop · Nov 17, 2020

tokkun said:
Are they doing much 7nm these days? I thought they were already transitioned to 5nm on iPhone and their new ARM-based Macs.

Yea they are moving to 5nm, with A12 (ipad), A13 (SE), etc chips on 7nm, that leaves more cake to others.

Surprisingly, i forgot also major customers for 7nm at TSMC. Now does "AMD" only include their own branded products, or also the chipsets for PS5 / Xbox series X? 21% share of the 7nm capacity seems lower than i thought they had.

In numbers, AMD would consume 21% share of TSMC's 7nm wafer capacity with 30,000 WPM. HiSilicon and Qualcomm would be responsible for 17-18% share and MediaTek for 14%. This would leave 29% of TSMC's 7nm capacity to the rest of its customers.

Kazoku_ · Nov 17, 2020

Ok, I'm excited now. It looks like they're updating the "Shop" page at AMD's website: https://www.amd.com/en/shop/us/Graphics Cards
Edit: it's back up now, nothing added/removed from what I can tell.

cwhazzoo · Nov 17, 2020

I know newegg said when they drop. Do we know yet what time these will drop on Best Buy or Amazon?

Pwnz · Nov 17, 2020

Buddy said:
So when can I grab one of these cards? I'm from germany and would like to order one from Amazon or Media Markt/Saturn....is there a time/date?

January to March. Let the bots scalpers lose money. Fuck em.

Vamphuntr · Nov 17, 2020

Cells Interlinked said:
i wish i even knew where to look for sapphires 6800xt.

Next week for the AIB. Tomorrow is only the reference card.

A Canadian retailer already said they would have no cards to sell instore or online tomorrow so I guess this is another 3080 level shitshow.

Pagano · Nov 17, 2020

The mere thought of being replaced with a 6800xt was just too much for my GTX 1080 I guess:

Started literally 10 minutes ago.
fml

icecold1983 · Nov 17, 2020

dgrdsv said:
It will "change" only in a sense that console games will avoid the most advanced RT usage options which are killing off RDNA2 performance.
Note that such options will still run faster on NV h/w.

Coincidentally 3 out of these 4 titles are sponsored by AMD. A pure coincidence for sure. Let's make assumptions on trajectories for everything.

Which is another pure lie again from you.
Low level APIs require more optimizations on part of developer and if it's not done for some h/w it will suffer in performance.
AMD enjoys a "free ride" here because such optimizations are similar to those which are needed to do for consoles anyway.
But this doesn't mean that "low level APIs still mostly suck on Nvidia hardware". It means that developers don't do a good enough job optimizing their code for NV h/w. Especially in AMD sponsored titles - I wonder why.

AMD sponsoring means little more than Nvidia not having their own staff on site with the developers implementing Nvidia NDA code. And low level APIs mostly suck on nvidia even in their own gameworks deoptimized titles. See Watch Dogs for the most recent of many examples. Why do you suddenly expect game developers to start optimizing their code better for Nvidia GPUs? What has changed to make that the likely scenario?

Convasse · Nov 17, 2020

Pagano said:
The mere thought of being replaced with a 6800xt was just too much for my GTX 1080 I guess:

Started literally 10 minutes ago.
fml

Should've shown it more love and affection SMH
That sucks though, on the real D:

Brandino · Nov 17, 2020

Pagano said:
The mere thought of being replaced with a 6800xt was just too much for my GTX 1080 I guess:

Started literally 10 minutes ago.
fml

Is that what happens when you hit 176MPH?

dmr87 · Nov 17, 2020

It's going to be the same situation as the Nvidia cards and PS5/XSX, if you don't win the lottery at launch most of us are in for a 2-3 month wait at least. But that was my plan from the beginning, ultimately it's better to have all the cards on the table and then decide from there.

Buggy Loop · Nov 17, 2020

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT 1440p DXR ray tracing performance leaks - VideoCardz.com

AMD was very reluctant to share ray tracing performance numbers of Radeon RX 6800 XT before launch, so we decided to help. AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Ray Tracing performance AMD does see the potential of ray tracing in games. In the new set of slides that we have already seen, the company explains...

videocardz.com

From a guy in Reddit who made a quick comparison

Source: https://www.techspot.com/article/2109-nvidia-rtx-3080-ray-tracing-dlss/

Metro Exodus

• ⁠6800XT: 67
• ⁠3080: 98
• ⁠3080 with dlss: 113

Tomb Raider

• ⁠6800XT: 82
• ⁠3080: 96
• ⁠3080 with dlss: 111

Nvidia PC:

• ⁠Ryzen 3950X
• ⁠32GB 3200

AMD PC:

• ⁠Ryzen 5900x
• ⁠16GB 3200

And all these games have not patched to ampere's new async RT like wolfenstein Youngblood did (+10% performances) and the CPU difference is not helping Nvidia either.

edit: also seems SotTR used benchmark tool for AMD while techspot does not..

eathdemon · Nov 17, 2020

Buggy Loop said:
AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT 1440p DXR ray tracing performance leaks - VideoCardz.com

AMD was very reluctant to share ray tracing performance numbers of Radeon RX 6800 XT before launch, so we decided to help. AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Ray Tracing performance AMD does see the potential of ray tracing in games. In the new set of slides that we have already seen, the company explains...

videocardz.com

From a guy in Reddit who made a quick comparison

Source: https://www.techspot.com/article/2109-nvidia-rtx-3080-ray-tracing-dlss/

Metro Exodus

• ⁠6800XT: 67
• ⁠3080: 98
• ⁠3080 with dlss: 113

Tomb Raider

• ⁠6800XT: 82
• ⁠3080: 96
• ⁠3080 with dlss: 111

Nvidia PC:

• ⁠Ryzen 3950X
• ⁠32GB 3200

AMD PC:

• ⁠Ryzen 5900x
• ⁠16GB 3200

And all these games have not patched to ampere's new async RT like wolfenstein Youngblood did (+10% performances) and the CPU difference is not helping Nvidia either.

so yeah about what I expected, not great. looks like a 3070/3080 it is.

super-famicom · Nov 17, 2020

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

Unofficial listings on Amazon, the bots now know what to watch

Edit- direct link

Advanced Micro Devices: Radeon RX 6900

6900xt

www.amazon.com

cwhazzoo · Nov 17, 2020

eathdemon said:
so yeah about what I expected, not great. looks like a 3070/3080 it is.

Its still pretty decent for ray tracing enabled. We all knew the RX 6000 series would be a little better than the RTX 2000 series at raytracing but not as good as the RTX 3000 series.

When it comes to rasterization though the RX series has me very excited.

Buggy Loop · Nov 18, 2020

cwhazzoo said:
Its still pretty decent for ray tracing enabled. We all knew the RX 6000 series would be a little better than the RTX 2000 series at raytracing but not as good as the RTX 3000 series.

When it comes to rasterization though the RX series has me very excited.

It's scaling worst than Turing if we look at RT performances per core. And if you benchmark ampere again with a 5900X, and if async RT gets patched for ampere later, it'll be a huge gap. I'm very interested in rasterization performances tomorrow when it will be benchmarked by 3rd parties. A few more hours

Scerick · Nov 18, 2020

Does anyone have the Newegg page yet?

King Metal Zel · Nov 18, 2020

cwhazzoo said:
Its still pretty decent for ray tracing enabled. We all knew the RX 6000 series would be a little better than the RTX 2000 series at raytracing but not as good as the RTX 3000 series.

When it comes to rasterization though the RX series has me very excited.

Same. I'm mostly buying for VR and normal rasterization; my massive backlog of games has no ray-tracing anyway lol.

Thanquol · Nov 18, 2020

Buggy Loop said:
AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT 1440p DXR ray tracing performance leaks - VideoCardz.com

AMD was very reluctant to share ray tracing performance numbers of Radeon RX 6800 XT before launch, so we decided to help. AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Ray Tracing performance AMD does see the potential of ray tracing in games. In the new set of slides that we have already seen, the company explains...

videocardz.com

From a guy in Reddit who made a quick comparison

Source: https://www.techspot.com/article/2109-nvidia-rtx-3080-ray-tracing-dlss/

Metro Exodus

• ⁠6800XT: 67
• ⁠3080: 98
• ⁠3080 with dlss: 113

Tomb Raider

• ⁠6800XT: 82
• ⁠3080: 96
• ⁠3080 with dlss: 111

Nvidia PC:

• ⁠Ryzen 3950X
• ⁠32GB 3200

AMD PC:

• ⁠Ryzen 5900x
• ⁠16GB 3200

And all these games have not patched to ampere's new async RT like wolfenstein Youngblood did (+10% performances) and the CPU difference is not helping Nvidia either.

edit: also seems SotTR used benchmark tool for AMD while techspot does not..

If settings are extreme, RT on highest settings and in 4k these are false. 60fps for metro exodus in 4k extreme, RT with dlss on

Chackan · Nov 18, 2020

So it is today right? Global launch?

Irminsul · Nov 18, 2020

Thanquol said:
If settings are extreme and in 4k these are false. 60fps for metro exodus in 4k extreme with dlss on

But it says right there in the article that settings are Ultra @ 1440p for the AMD cards.

cwhazzoo said:
Its still pretty decent for ray tracing enabled. We all knew the RX 6000 series would be a little better than the RTX 2000 series at raytracing but not as good as the RTX 3000 series.

When it comes to rasterization though the RX series has me very excited.

I always thought this notion meant that the performance impact of raytracing would be the same compared to the RTX 2000 series, not the actual performance. Because the latter means raytracing is performing much worse on AMD GPUs, even compared to Nvidias last-gen GPUs.

RX 6800 ($579)/6800 XT ($649)/6900 XT ($999) launch on Nov 18/Dec 8

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