You're talking out of your ass here. There's a clear distinction between health issues and lifestyle issues.
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Quebec announces a new health tax for unvaccinated people [Up: government backs down]
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Good news, couldn't care less about trying to waste time trying to convince idiots that would rather die in the most costly way for the rest of us than just live with being inconvenienced once.
Make exemptions for people who can't get vaxxed and this is pretty good.
Heck premiums for antivax should cover the cost they represent on our health system anyway.
WTF is that stupid shit?
Make exemptions for people who can't get vaxxed and this is pretty good.
Heck premiums for antivax should cover the cost they represent on our health system anyway.
Like this issue is somehow like an addiction, like we're talking about people being addicted to not taking shot?
WTF is that stupid shit?
Huh? I'm saying some people make poor diet choices while having diabetes that leads to further health problems. It happens. They shouldn't be punished, and neither should people with substance abuse issues.
No one is comparing not getting a shot to an addiction. I was replying to a post about addiction.
I said the vaccine tax is different than what the poster was talking about in regards to addiction.
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Makes more sense.
It's rather shitty to bring diabetes and addition to this talk when diabetes and addiction can take YEARS to cure and while some can suffer due to poor choices, it's no longer a choice by the time medication are part of the discussion.
This here? take a goddamn jab ever 6 months or so if this shit continue ad vitam and you're done.
It takes less than half a day in your whole schedule to set up and take care, make it a mandatory holiday to help people who really can't afford to take that time off if you have to.
Then you don't have to pay higher premiums and an additional tax
I agree that this is different from other issues.
If it leads to more vaccinations, that's a good thing.
Anti-vaxxers are creating such a massive strain on the healthcare system that's it's either we all pay for their choices (through tax in the coming years) or they pay for some of the massive strain they choose to put on the system (through tax hopefully ASAP).
Clearly "just nicely talk to anti-vaxxers" hasn't worked so far in keeping them from completely abusing our public health systems and pushing it past its limits. And if you think taxes are "punishment" then the alternative is not only to "punish" every taxpayer for this group's choices, but also kill people who need urgent care in the process while anti-vaxxers take everything they can from our healthcare system. It's obvious which of those two I favour...
Clearly "just nicely talk to anti-vaxxers" hasn't worked so far in keeping them from completely abusing our public health systems and pushing it past its limits. And if you think taxes are "punishment" then the alternative is not only to "punish" every taxpayer for this group's choices, but also kill people who need urgent care in the process while anti-vaxxers take everything they can from our healthcare system. It's obvious which of those two I favour...
I hope I don't get banned again for this, but I think a lot of you are not really looking at the numbers. When you look at case counts, especially here in BC, from Dec 31 to Jan 6th, 82% of the new cases were to people who were fully vaccinated. Non or partially counted for only 17.8%. Yes, more people who were non or partially were in the hospitals, but in the end, it is the people who are fully vaccinated who seem to be spreading Covid around the most. So on the one hand people want to tax those who are non vaccinated, but on the other, why are those who are fully vaccinated and seem completely oblivious to the viruses spread not taxed as well? In a way it feels like a witchhunt where society once again looks for a boogey man to make themselves feel good
COVID hospitalizations increase by 23% over the weekend
I got my second does last month, but I still don't feel safe going out into the public other than for groceries. My neighbour alone went to a ski hill, met a buddy and his gf, went skiing, got home and then proceeded to get sick with covid. His gf then caught it from him. Do you know who gave it to them? His buddy at the ski hill who went and got tested and told him he had it first. Now how many more people did that buddy infect by going to the ski hill? Its also sad that my neighbour's gf who works in health care had to stay home for over two weeks instead of the helping the patients at the nursing home.
Anyway, stay safe and keep healthy.
COVID hospitalizations increase by 23% over the weekend
I got my second does last month, but I still don't feel safe going out into the public other than for groceries. My neighbour alone went to a ski hill, met a buddy and his gf, went skiing, got home and then proceeded to get sick with covid. His gf then caught it from him. Do you know who gave it to them? His buddy at the ski hill who went and got tested and told him he had it first. Now how many more people did that buddy infect by going to the ski hill? Its also sad that my neighbour's gf who works in health care had to stay home for over two weeks instead of the helping the patients at the nursing home.
Anyway, stay safe and keep healthy.
The statistics in Quebec show that the unvaccinated population at 10% is using of 50% of hospital and ICU allocations. This is a huge problem. Statistically if the entire population was vaccinated there would likely not be any lockdown measures, cancelled surgeries or restrictions needed.
So ironically the group that keeps screaming to everybody about restrictions are the ones responsible for them still needing to be in place
So numbers are one thing. But context is everything.
First, what are the benefits of getting the vaccine? Can they 100% stop you from getting COVID? Nope. Do they reduce disease severity, prevent hospitalizations, and show a reduction in time spent in the hospital? Yes.
Second, ask yourself why is this tax/fine being placed? Is it to lower the "numbers" of cases? No. Is it to reduce the hospitalization with hospitals and workers are being slammed? Yep.
"These people, they put a very important burden on our health-care network," Legault said. "I think it's reasonable a majority of the population is asking that there be consequences."
Hospitals are being destroyed. Hospital workers are quitting. We have to deal with fucking idiots everyday saying COVID doesn't exist or they don't want the vaccine or some other bullshit. The majority of these patients in the hospital are unvaccinated. Then they lay around for weeks and eventually get intubated and die or make it out after taking up a bed and resources for weeks. Meanwhile surgeries for other diseases/disorders/problems are being cancelled because these people are selfish. I disagree completely with it being a witch-hunt.
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Well said.
I have worked in healthcare for over 20 years (not patient facing) and I have never seen anything like our current situation.
We have critical staff shortages and position vacancies in every department, not just the ICU and ER.
Healthcare workers are sick, burnt out, fed up and taking advantage of our current labor shortage situation to find new jobs.
If Covid ended today, it will take years to repair the damage. These people need relief at some point, if a tax helps that happen then so be it
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Its ridiculous right now.
I still can't wrap my head around it. A FREE VACCINE IS AVAILABLE that dramatically REDUCES THE RISK of hospitalization but people won't take it. Just amazing to me.
and people say they disagree with this or think it's a witch hunt. I caaaant anymore.
Comparing people with disabilities to a group who is willfully sustaining a pandemic which has killed millions of people, continues to massively impair healthcare systems from caring for other vulnerable groups, and is creating immense preventable costs that all Canadians have to foot the bill for - and all based on misinformation - sure is… something.
Yeah bojo's certainly doing a "great" job up there. Lol. Even with your high vaccination rates, they're doing nothing to convince the holdouts. This would help with that, because people booking their first shots has already gone up massively in Quebec.
https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/20...pour-une-premiere-dose-toujours-en-hausse.php
Agreed.
The longer the pandemic goes on, the more "vaccines = eugenics" mentality has come through (from generally more sensible people), which I'd just like to specify the amount of immunocompromised people is a great deal smaller than those who simply refuse to vaccinate but still want access to everything.
I'm sure there's something to it that I'm missing, but why are people suddenly so apprehensive towards the Covid-19 vaccine when things like Polio, measles, chicken pox etc. vaccines are completely accepted?
"oh well we know those are good" the chicken pox vaccines are first recorded as being utilised in 1979, not even 50 years ago, but suddenly the covid-19 vaccines we need to "wait and see" the long-term effects of?
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Wonder if it'll be something like 1MM+ per person. Then when they can't pay the go to jail for tax evasion.
I think whats even harder to wrap your head around is the fact a lot of these morons will generally take ANYTHING from viagra, drinking piss or chlorine etc etc cause theyre told by other morons on social media it can help... except the vaccine.
User Banned (Permanently): Anti-Vaxx Rhetoric; History of the Same; Account in Junior Phase
Actually, some people have good reasons for not being vaccinated such as wanting a vegetable based vaccine. They aren't morons, they just have different values as you and I.
Canadian-made, plant-based COVID-19 vaccine sees positive Phase 3 results
If youre drinking your own piss or chlorine to help prevent yourself getting the virus. Youre a fucking moron.
The reality right now is people are not getting early detection for diseases via onsite doctor visits. Many stage 1 cancer patients are not getting needed treatments and surgeries and will die needlessly and horribly. Same with cardiac surgeries
Honestly,fuck their values right now as it is directly responsible for the situation we are currently in. Change your designer vaccine of preference once we are out of this crisis
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No, that's a dumb reason. You have a vaccine, available right now. Anyone who isn't vaxxed isn't going to say they were waiting for a vegetable based vaccine what the fuck. They just don't want to get vaxxed. You are only going to get them on board by making life so inconvenient that they have no other choice.
Gambling on some future vaccine being available that meets your "standards" isn't what these people are doing. The moment this vaccine is (potentially) available, they'll move the goalpost again.
Oh fucking please. Do these same people take vegan heart medication and vegan Advil when they have a headache? Did they give their kids the Vegan MMR shot in order for them to go to school? Give me a break.
So many oxymoron in that statement. You keep moving the goalpost to defend the indefensible.
While it's a common anti-vax argument it is a valid point. Smokers, obesity (due to poor diet choices), sport/athletitics, ect. also lead to being a burden on our Healthcare system. There is also other vaccines left out. So why no health tax for all of the above due to personal choice?
This could very well be challenged in the courts.
Because the fat person isn't killing my grandma or making it impossible for her to receive treatment.
I'm a Quebecer, two times vaxxed and planning on getting my third shot by booking this Friday, and this is just a way of the government to point the finger to a group of individuals.
I am sick and tired of discussing conspiracy theories with antivax, I even stopped talking to some of my friends because of that, but charging people for years and years of incorrect management of the healthcare system is not going to solve anything.
This is just the stupid conservative government trying to point the finger to someone other than themselves.
I am sick and tired of discussing conspiracy theories with antivax, I even stopped talking to some of my friends because of that, but charging people for years and years of incorrect management of the healthcare system is not going to solve anything.
This is just the stupid conservative government trying to point the finger to someone other than themselves.
Seems fair. Providing healthcare for Covid treatment is generally significantly more expensive for unvaccinated individuals, why not insist they contribute accordingly? In theory that's how the whole system works right? Give people the responsibility to pay for their privilege to disregard a completely free and effective means of drastically improving their health outcomes should they catch Covid.
It's already creating a vaccine appointment boom. That's what's important.
But it's deflecting from the real problem, which is a racist white chauvinistic leader being incapable of admitting his own fault.
People who don't have their 8th booster shot down the line.
Vaccines do not make you immune, they vastly increase the odds of keeping you out of the hospital
Really? Because everything comes down to money here. Maybe not a tax, but I'm just waiting for the inevitable health insurance premium to come. Insurance companies will undoubtedly crank up the premiums for people who are too stupid to protect themselves and others, so they will be literal walking liabilities.
They do, get out of here with your continued bad faith over like 5 threads. Alcohol and cigarettes are taxed higher and you're welcome to campaign for that to be extended to unhealthy foods.
I don't think that is at all a good reason to wait and avoid getting a safe an effective vaccine during a worldwide deadly pandemic.
The veg society has a page on the COVID vaccines.
https://vegsoc.org/lifestyle/covid-19-vaccines/
According to Pfizer's press team and the available government information [2], this vaccine does not contain animal products.
Information on the government's website [8] has stated that no materials of human or animal origin were used in the manufacture of Covid-19 vaccine Moderna.
As with all medicines and vaccines, we advise that everyone should take the medicines and vaccines they need.
PETA says this:
https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/vegans-covid-19-vaccine/
The vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Oxford/AstraZeneca and Moderna that were recently approved for use in the UK do not contain any animal-derived ingredients, though animal-derived materials may have been used in the production process.
The goal of being vegan and advocating for animal rights should always be to bring about positive change for animals. As long as tests on animals are a legal requirement, refusing to take a medicine on ethical grounds will not help animals who have already been used in tests or spare any the same fate in the future.
What needs to happen is a change in the law so that animals are no longer required to suffer in tests,
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To keep yourself and others as fit and healthy as possible – and allow you to continue advocating for animals – please follow the advice of your health-care provider on taking a medicine.
capitalism will lead the way
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jpmorgan-jamie-dimon-covid-vaccine-workers-pay/
Would you describe yourself as currently or previously hesitant to get vaccinated? Or am I misreading you? Vibe I get (you only recently getting your second dose which means you didn't get your first dose until October or November if you stuck to the schedule) sorta made me feel like you came around on getting vaccinated a little bit later. Not a problem, but it would be helpful for context if so.
Your posts remind me of some of the patients that I've worked with at our vaccination sites that got vaccinated because they had to rather than because they wanted to. Still sensitive to some talking points that I'd typically associate with hesitancy. Your original link about hospitalizations (which I noticed didn't have the breakdown of vaccinated vs unvaccinated in the ICU) combined with the article about people looking for vegan vaccines sorta pointed in that direction, but I thought I'd ask in case I was misreading.
Don't worry, they already made their justification:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ca...worst-wave-of-covid-yet.481783/#post-72669145
Give the hospital a break for other pacients because most people won't need intensive care
2 years in and people still don't get it
Imagine if your mother needs a heart surgery but there's no space because of not vaccinated idiots
I'm just as frustrated as everyone else about the unvaccinated but this seems.... dangerous...?
We've already barred these people from most leisure activities and in some cases forced them out of work.
A tax that someone only sees when they file their income Taxes is not going to change the minds of these people rather its just going to make them feel more victimized and continue to radicalize them.
We've already barred these people from most leisure activities and in some cases forced them out of work.
A tax that someone only sees when they file their income Taxes is not going to change the minds of these people rather its just going to make them feel more victimized and continue to radicalize them.
The person isn't wrong on their ban post when it comes to the importance of good masks with variants that cut through vaccines. That much is true. However, the vaccine factually prevents most people from needing a tube down their throat and/or dying even with the new variants. So it is still the best protection and the best way to relieve the burden on hospitals and healthcare workers. So peddling vegetable vaccines (lol) is not constructive in the least. I disagree with the CAQ about everything, including the poor state they've left healthcare in currently, but this tax initiative is something that should be put into place everywhere.
It's not valid at all.
This is a free vaccine easy available at multiple locations. Getting the vaccine dramatically lowers the risk of hospitalization. Hospitalization with COVID, especially those who are elderly and/or suffer from multiple morbidities can linger in hospitals for weeks.
Smokers, obesity, etc etc. can have a burden on the healthcare system but nothing like this. Smokers aren't going to the hospitals in droves and causing workers to quit, they aren't taking up beds so people who need procedures like coronary artery bypass can't get them, smokers don't have a free vaccine available that will dramatically cut down on the chance of hospitalization due to smoking during a pandemic.
It's not comparable at all.
The whole point of this law is to try and decrease the burden on hospitals right now. COVID in the past two years has destroyed hospitals and workers. Smoking in the past 60 years hasn't managed to do that.
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