Seems like Smash is totally going on a different direction.
Funny reading some of this reactions. I was wondering what you guys thought lol.
Funny reading some of this reactions. I was wondering what you guys thought lol.
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Pyra and Mythra (from Xenoblade 2) announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Releases in March!
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I think even counting Pyra and Mythra as separate characters we're still below 20 sword users over 80 playable characters
Initially I saw complaints from women, over the years, about constant sexualization in female character designs, now I'm seeing posters complaining about how it's 99% men having these conversations?
So what is the truth? Because I find it hard to believe that it's just men here having issues with designs like Pyra.
So what is the truth? Because I find it hard to believe that it's just men here having issues with designs like Pyra.
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you mean the thread where most of the posters spend most of their time taking shots are other posters? or the one that is primarily full of men telling people how women should look? That thread? No thanks.
I'm not going to sit here and act like Pyra/Mythra are the pinnacle of female design. They are horny ass designs lol. There are no words and deeds that can make up for that. But IMO thats ok. There are place for Horny Designs. The issue is when thats all there is...and despite what many here would like you to believe that is not the case...even with the very same game. But then of course, everyone's idea of sexualized is different as someone could find Morag as a sexual design for reasons. But basically I don't attend the school of though that sexy = bad and is the reason why fuckbois on the internet treat women poorly. It comes from the same school of thought from the 90's that Doom caused school shootings. To each their own of course...but i am sorry a lot of it reads as "I don't like this thing but thats not good enough so let me make that dislike about racism or sexism to really drive that point across"...and read hollow as fuck considering the skeletons in some of the louder people like that before from era and gaf. You can not like a design. I think Mythra is "better designed" than Pyra for probably some of the same reasons people hate them. But I draw the line when people attempt to make said dislike more than it is.
You do realise a woman designed this?
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Team Talk Torna, Female Blades And The Ending That Never Made It
A tale of Alrestwww.nintendolife.com
that means jack shit. The design is trash.
You do realise a woman designed this? Tetsuya Takahashi said that they let the character designers go all out with the blade designs with little input.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Team Talk Torna, Female Blades And The Ending That Never Made It
A tale of Alrest
It's still complete trash, doesn't matter who designed it.
It's misogynistic to hate a character that was designed for lame otakus to lust after? Nah, as a woman, this ain't it.
In all honesty, that's such a spoiler I'm legitimately surprised Sakurai didn't do that. :P
I guess, thought arguably Mythra is already a spoiler of that amazing chapter 3 final.
Sakurai does like to pull out some spoilers for Final Smashes though.
I'm not going anywhere for now. I've been here since the beginning and know all about and kind of XC2 discussion. I've just reached my breaking point with "but their boobs....." type posts. It's old, boring, and it never leads to any kind of constructive discussion.
You never told me to shut up leave, but exaggerations like yours get old real fucking fast and make me feel (a woman with breasts who happens like hyper feminine or if you want to say "sexualized" designs) like you're talking down to me acting like I'm stupid and can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Pyra and Mythra are not real, but women in real life do have have realistic versions of those bodies.
But you are also right about being free to want what you want in games. While Pyra and Mythra have hyper-feminine qualities to their designs or "sexiness" they're not treated as objects. So we're not seeing eye-to-eye on something here.
Oh, I'm leaving for now. Just needed to vent a little. But posts like these ironically will drive away woman and diversity.
It's people being dismissive that women don't like their animu girl characters. It's easier to write it off if you pretend it's mostly men saying it.
Then don't buy the character, it's that simple. I don't know whether you can purchase characters individually or not but you can just not spend money on Pyra/Mythra.
Did I say that I was defending the design? Even I think it's embarrassing to look at. I just wanted to point out that a woman designed the character as a point of clarification, that's all.
Everyone: Ugh, we're tired of anime swordsmen.
Sakurai:
Sakurai: HA! GOTTEM
OMG! Didn't even think these characters would appear. I admit I like the designs, though I kind of never thought about getting into XBC.
But regardless, cue the flying pigs!
But regardless, cue the flying pigs!
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It's an in-game plot twist but she was already shown in trailers more than once before the game release
Happy Pyra is in at last. Expected many of the reactions in this thread.
No, Smash was always celebration of Nintendo games first. And Pyra and Mythra are two characters of the most popular entry of a series that's 10 years old already.
Thought the same, specially seeing how Smash doesn't shy away from throwing Xenoblade spoilers around.
No, Smash was always celebration of Nintendo games first. And Pyra and Mythra are two characters of the most popular entry of a series that's 10 years old already.
Thought the same, specially seeing how Smash doesn't shy away from throwing Xenoblade spoilers around.
I mean, I enjoy sexy anime pin-up girls in sci-fantasy getups as much as the next dumb nerd, but these two definitly qualify as one of the least exciting picks for me lol...happy for Xenoblade fans though.
I'm still holding out hope for my boy Crash T.T
I'm still holding out hope for my boy Crash T.T
My wife who is unfamiliar with Xenoblade said it best: "She looks like she was designed by a Monday Night Raw fan from 1998."
I can't stop thinking about this reveal. I'm pretty happy with Smash as it is and I didn't expect to get another character I was invested in, but GODDAMN was I wrong. I'm happy we'll get 40-something minutes of Sakurai gushing about Xenoblade 2. Goddamn. Well deserved too. One of the best games this gen.
I don't care much about Pyra, but Mythra was one of my most wanted Nintendo characters for Smash. Thanks Sakurai! (or whoever decided this)
I still think Lora and Jin would be better picks for Xeno 2, but I guess having Jin right after Sephiroth could be a little too on the nose.
(and in the end, the extra covering did nothing to fix the character designs for most people)
I still think Lora and Jin would be better picks for Xeno 2, but I guess having Jin right after Sephiroth could be a little too on the nose.
(and in the end, the extra covering did nothing to fix the character designs for most people)
Forgot about that, I guess it makes sense then. Still feel like a missed opportunity imho but I least there is a logical explanation to it.
Mythra being present isn't even a spoiler on it's own if you don't know her relationship to pyra.
Without a doubt, her design is trash. I was able to tolerate every other blade design except her's. When I got her, I replaced her with a common blade cause she was too embarrassing to look at.
I played like 20 hours of xenoblade 2 back in the day. I couldn't stomach the awful misogynistic designs of the characters and overbearing "power of friendship" in what I I played.
For all the folks saying that "but there is more to the game and those characters than their designs!!!", I wish someone told the cutscene camera director that. When the camera is consistently finding different ways to focus on Pyra's breasts, it kind of doesn't matter how thoughtful or interesting the character is anymore. Why should I be interested in what she has to say when the game doesn't seem to be interested either?
Anyway, this smash reveal sucked. That's all.
For all the folks saying that "but there is more to the game and those characters than their designs!!!", I wish someone told the cutscene camera director that. When the camera is consistently finding different ways to focus on Pyra's breasts, it kind of doesn't matter how thoughtful or interesting the character is anymore. Why should I be interested in what she has to say when the game doesn't seem to be interested either?
Anyway, this smash reveal sucked. That's all.
Making women sexual objects is an inherently harmful thing. Not just the gaming scene but the world in general is still totally plagued with biases and attitudes against women that disempower them and make them out to be lesser. There are strong preconceptions that a woman must be attractive first and foremost and designs like Pyra's absolutely reinforce that sexist outlook especially when you look at the greater game and see it absolutely riddled with them. Pyra is not even in control of her sexuality, it is incidental and accidental in almost every objectifying scene. The camera frames her a certain way without her knowledge, a character makes a double entendre she doesn't understand, etc. In an ideal world maybe the "sexy is fine!" argument holds water, but right now we still live in an environment where there is a stark inequality between representation of men and women and it is especially prevalent in gaming. Saying that complaining about it is just a shallow dislike is a terrible way to frame these complaints, especially since you seem to understand what parts of the designs are problematic.
I didn't used 'wrong one' argument. My argument was that a character shouldn't be picked just because they're POC. Especially with many of the names thrown around when I'm certain these people had to Google the character in question and wouldn't have a personal interest in them if they weren't POC. In other word, it's pure shallowness, just like how people dunked on Min Min for not being black despite being a minority woman.
The fact is, Nintendo don't have that many POC characters and the ones people liked to name like Elma and Marina are not even POC, which tells me more that people are being shallow. So it comes off less of people wanting more POCs for inclusive and diversity, and more that people wants to fill some POC quarter to personally feel better.
If you want to say, Nintendo needs to make more major POCs, then yes. I completely agree. But don't pick some random POC side-character you found on Google and demand that they be put in Smash because of diversity, because that feels less sincere and more like you're checking a list.
Not really excited by this, but the game deserved a rep, and she's kinda the most logical choice, even if I would've preferred Nia. Still, happy for her fans, as I've had my dream characters for like 13 years now lol.
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Amen to this.
Something else that grinds my gears are the people who say that characters with multiple skin colours (like Villager or Inkling) don't count as representation because the main choice isn't dark skinned. It just seems like no matter what, unless their exact specifications are met, they won't be satisfied.
more starting a fire and then someone completely different throws thermite on it
Well I wouldn't say literally any, but as far as popular choices that had a realistic shot, Pyra and/or Rex were absolutely at the very bottom lol