PS3 Owners Facing Wide-Spread Problems Downloading Games Ahead of PS Store Closure (PushSquare)

BrickArts295 · Apr 3, 2021

Kindofblue said:
I'm completely lost for words, does that mean no Bloodborne 2 ?

It can still happen without Japan Studio but the problem is that FromSoft is bigger beast then what they were when they made BB. So it's up to Sony to show interest in the project and bring them a truck load of money because From seems to be doing just fine on their own while making multiplat games. I'm thinking that theyll make another New IP together but they are probably going to ask for a similar deal like Kojima in order to be allowed to put the game on PC.

There's also the possibility that From just have too many projects on the pipeline so even if they want to make a sequel they are just too busy on their own projects.

aceldama · Apr 3, 2021

Encephalon said:
A while back, before this was even announced, none of my payment methods worked, almost everything on the Vita store was a broken image, and when I tried to download a game it was missing the cover art ... I cancelled it.

That cover art missing in the store issue doesn't have any effect on the game you download. Bizzare reason not to buy something you want to get before the store shutdown.

Barrel Cannon · Apr 3, 2021

Rofl, this is the biggest shitshow.

Era of not Yakuza · Apr 3, 2021

ShadowKingpin said:
I no longer recognize PlayStation now that it is under Jim Ryan. As a huge PlayStation fan, it's sad to watch Jim make these shitty decisions.

Same, I bought my first Ps3 in 2010 and all the little things that amazed me about ps3 are gone. PS Home, Japan Studio, free online, amazing PS+ games, being able to play ps1 games, japanese exclusives that you can't find elsewhere (not saying that being available on more consoles is bad, no, it's great, it just felt that sony invested in some games that would not exist otherwise), crazy experimental exclusives like MAG or Folklore. The exclusives are great but everything else feels worse than the competition. The team behind the turnaround that made PS3's final years and ps4's first years, a huge success, are gone now.

JuicyPlayer · Apr 3, 2021

I would have no problem with Sony shutting down the PS3/PSP/Vita stores if they just let you play these purchased games on new hardware and let you buy these older titles on the new store. Sony already had a PSP emulator going with the Minis titles you could play om the PS3. PS3 itself shouldn't be difficult to emulate on PS5 hardware either when groups have been making PS3 emulators on lesser PC hardware years before.

Gitaroo · Apr 3, 2021

I don't understand why they can't keep ps1 and psp up in store by investing a little on emulator that works for ps4 and ps5 and any system going forward. Those games should work perfectly without any issue since most of them functions on standard controller. I know vita some vita games will be difficult with the camera and touch screen, Ps2 probably require a lot more testing and never had a eShop. The current ps1 and psp line up on psn can be kept if they are shutting down because of financial decision.

I Wanna Be The Guy · Apr 3, 2021

JuicyPlayer said:
I would have no problem with Sony shutting down the PS3/PSP/Vita stores if they just let you play these purchased games on new hardware and let you buy these older titles on the new store. Sony already had a PSP emulator going with the Minis titles you could play om the PS3. PS3 itself shouldn't be difficult to emulate on PS5 hardware either when groups have been making PS3 emulators on lesser PC hardware years before.

Yeah. We'd be fine abandoning old hardware if the library would carry over to new hardware. The legacy is just going to be gone. No way to get these games on old or new hardware. It just sucks.

night814 · Apr 3, 2021

Ps3 psn store is absolute garbage. It was back then and it still is now

Encephalon · Apr 3, 2021

aceldama said:
That cover art missing in the store issue doesn't have any effect on the game you download. Bizzare reason not to buy something you want to get before the store shutdown.

I was able to find a way to buy it and began my download, but to my surprise the download began as a game without any cover art.

Kindofblue · Apr 3, 2021

Era of not Yakuza said:
Same, I bought my first Ps3 in 2010 and all the little things that amazed me about ps3 are gone. PS Home, Japan Studio, free online, amazing PS+ games, being able to play ps1 games, japanese exclusives that you can't find elsewhere (not saying that being available on more consoles is bad, no, it's great, it just felt that sony invested in some games that would not exist otherwise), crazy experimental exclusives like MAG or Folklore. The exclusives are great but everything else feels worse than the competition. The team behind the turnaround that made PS3's final years and ps4's first years, a huge success, are gone now.

Agreed, perhaps I'm looking at it through rose tinted glasses but the PS3 in spite of It's numerous flaws, really was the last truly PlayStation console. Say what you want about Krazy Ken Kutaragi but he gave that brand an identity.

It's gotten to a point where I'm strongly considering PC gaming, outside of Bloodborne(which is possibly the best PlayStation game ever in all honesty) TLG and SOTC remake. None of the Ps4 exclusives really grabbed me unlike their PS3 predecessor's.

So Im left with a new PlayStation console with an increasingly anti consumer culture, a conservative game library, a barebones infrastructure/services compared to it's competitor's , and a complete disregard to it's legacy and any of It's long time consumers from before 2013.

To add insult to injury, I can't even buy the fucking console because it's still badly stocked so why should I fucking bother at this point? At least on the PC the legacy of the PS1,2,3 will thrive thanks to emulation.

Reckheim · Apr 3, 2021

ps3 owners. What year is this?

JigglesBunny · Apr 3, 2021

The PS3 store is already held together with popsicle sticks and chewing gum, of course it would buckle under load too.

Fun fact: If you want to reliably crash the store on your PS3 (well, aside from just using it normally), try searching "Bin" in the search function. Immediately crashes. Spectacular stuff.

Version 3.0 · Apr 3, 2021

Reckheim said:
ps3 owners. What year is this?

The last year you can buy several hundred PS3 games? Some of which aren't even 10 years old.

Imagine if Sony did this with any other media they sell. "We are no longer selling any movies or music released prior to 2012". It's ridiculous.

aceldama · Apr 3, 2021

Encephalon said:
I was able to find a way to buy it and began my download, but to my surprise the download began as a game without any cover art.

...and if you'd have completed the download you'd have got the game you wanted with the correct icon art on your system.

Encephalon · Apr 3, 2021

aceldama said:
...and if you'd have completed the download you'd have got the game you wanted with the correct icon art on your system.

The Vita's data corruption issues had me spooked

I Wanna Be The Guy · Apr 4, 2021

Kindofblue said:
Agreed, perhaps I'm looking at it through rose tinted glasses but the PS3 in spite of It's numerous flaws, really was the last truly PlayStation console. Say what you want about Krazy Ken Kutaragi but he gave that brand an identity.

It's gotten to a point where I'm strongly considering PC gaming, outside of Bloodborne(which is possibly the best PlayStation game ever in all honesty) TLG and SOTC remake. None of the Ps4 exclusives really grabbed me unlike their PS3 predecessor's.

So Im left with a new PlayStation console with an increasingly anti consumer culture, a conservative game library, a barebones infrastructure/services compared to it's competitor's , and a complete disregard to it's legacy and any of It's long time consumers from before 2013.

To add insult to injury, I can't even buy the fucking console because it's still badly stocked so why should I fucking bother at this point? At least on the PC the legacy of the PS1,2,3 will thrive thanks to emulation.

The PlayStation I knew and loved is long gone. The success of PS4 is the worst thing to ever happen to PlayStation. I really am done with it. I'll get a PSVR2 because it's literally the only VR option on consoles but as soon as I've got any other option on that front I'll jump ship on that too.

Trojan · Apr 4, 2021

Walken said:
Again this sounds like you want Sony to be better at all times than everyone else. It's almost as if some can't deal with Microsoft getting the better of Sony is some situations.

Why can't Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have their own strenghts? Obviously the Xbox Series Xbox is going to differ by design to the PS5, same with Switch. Some think Series S was a mistake, we can poke holes in every one, which as you can see on the forums many do.

He's just saying that Jim Ryan has had a shitty start with Sony after they had some strong leadership in the past.

There's just disappointment at PS5 current state right now from many owners, and relying on Jim Ryan to right the ship isn't a great answer.

Not counting PC Gamepass, I haven't had an Xbox since the 360. I've had every Sony console basically including a PS5. I think Microsoft is on fire right now, which is good for the industry and consumers even though I don't have an Xbox. People can both appreciate that MS is on a roll and also be disappointed that Sony isn't rising to the occasion.

TheChrisGlass · Apr 4, 2021

I have 2FA and haven't had these issues.
But the store crashes like Launchpad from Ducktales. And the downloads frequently time out so hard that it signs me out of the PSN.

I Wanna Be The Guy said:
The PlayStation I knew and loved is long gone. The success of PS4 is the worst thing to ever happen to PlayStation. I really am done with it. I'll get a PSVR2 because it's literally the only VR option on consoles but as soon as I've got any other option on that front I'll jump ship on that too.

Yeah. I know it's trendy to dump on Sony because of their success, but they went from the PS3 being a shining standard of so much.

Let's take the OS as 1 example. The XMB really was the star of browsing media. Now Xbox has trounced them. Browsing installed games on the Xbox is wayyyyyyy easier than the mess on PS5.

Trojan · Apr 4, 2021

Kindofblue said:
It's gotten to a point where I'm strongly considering PC gaming, outside of Bloodborne(which is possibly the best PlayStation game ever in all honesty) TLG and SOTC remake.

You make PC gaming sound like a last resort lol. It's great, especially since Sony started releasing their exclusives on PC. I used to just use PlayStation hardware but switched to PC as my main a few years ago. Best of all worlds with PC Gamepass and Sony exclusives.

Only problem at the moment is that GPUs are as tough to get as PS5s.

SirDante · Apr 4, 2021

As a lifelong fan of Playstation's systems, I am scared for the future under Jim Ryan. Scared.

msdstc · Apr 4, 2021

This whole thing is a disgrace lol. Sony has really dropped the ball lately

sfedai0 · Apr 4, 2021

Welp, I guess going physical and making minimal digital purchases actually worked out in my favor. Sucks to see Sony fuck up like this.

AnimaRize · Apr 4, 2021

sfedai0 said:
Welp, I guess going physical and making minimal digital purchases actually worked out in my favor. Sucks to see Sony fuck up like this.

The problem is outside of the actual storefront and connection issues people are experiencing. The shut down is in line with the terms of service we agreed to

msdstc · Apr 4, 2021

AnimaRize said:
The problem is outside of the actual storefront and connection issues people are experiencing. The shut down is in line with the terms of service we agreed to

Lol c'mon knock it off.

Undrey · Apr 4, 2021

It's been two days and I still can't download anything.

Wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't actually get fixed.

Nerdkiller · Apr 4, 2021

TheChrisGlass said:
I have 2FA and haven't had these issues.
But the store crashes like Launchpad from Ducktales. And the downloads frequently time out so hard that it signs me out of the PSN.

Yeah. I know it's trendy to dump on Sony because of their success, but they went from the PS3 being a shining standard of so much.

Let's take the OS as 1 example. The XMB really was the star of browsing media. Now Xbox has trounced them. Browsing installed games on the Xbox is wayyyyyyy easier than the mess on PS5.

I absolutely loathe how it isn't ordered alphabetically by default, and it doesn't save your sorting choice whenever you turn off the console. Sony has so many minor nuisances that they never seem to address over the past two generations that seem easily fixable, but never seem to get around to.

Kindofblue · Apr 4, 2021

Trojan said:
You make PC gaming sound like a last resort lol. It's great, especially since Sony started releasing their exclusives on PC. I used to just use PlayStation hardware but switched to PC as my main a few years ago. Best of all worlds with PC Gamepass and Sony exclusives.

Only problem at the moment is that GPUs are as tough to get as PS5s.

I don't consider PC gaming as a last resort, I just recognise that the PC is far better suited for my gaming needs now than PlayStation, I say this as a long time supporter of the brand. What am I possibly gaining from investing in the PS ecosystem when they're willing to disregard anything from a decade ago.

Right now the PS5 is the first system of that brand where I have zero interests in it's offerings outside of Demon Souls.

StereoVSN · Apr 4, 2021

AnimaRize said:
The problem is outside of the actual storefront and connection issues people are experiencing. The shut down is in line with the terms of service we agreed to

Yes, fellow corporate citizen. Our lovable corporate overlord is fully within their rights to shut down and remove citizens' previous purchases.

Citizens shouldn't be playing old and crusty games, as they might get strange ideas of media ownership! Let's celebrate with rousing round of Knack 2.

Undrey · Apr 4, 2021

FINALLY fixed the issue I was having.

So the error I was getting at first (and for most of the time) was error 80029509, which, according to this site, is SCE_NP_DRM_ERROR_SERVER_RESPONSE. I tried the following to fix this:

Delete the PS store and try again
Restart the network
Restart the PS3
Enable 2FA (and signing in using the generated system password)
Disable 2FA

None of those worked. I tried enabling 2FA once more today and noticed no change, so I disabled it and logged in. I then got a different error, 80029721, which is SCE_NP_DRM_SERVER_ERROR_INVALID_USER_CREDENTIAL, which made me try both turning on 2FA and restarting the PS3. This finally worked and I was able to download things again. I think the PS3 has a cache of whether or not your credentials are "invalid" and that doesn't toggle off until you restart the system. Hope this works for others, though this might very well be just a me fix.

Encephalon · Apr 4, 2021

Undrey said:
FINALLY fixed the issue I was having.

So the error I was getting at first (and for most of the time) was error 80029509, which, according to this site, is SCE_NP_DRM_ERROR_SERVER_RESPONSE. I tried the following to fix this:

Delete the PS store and try again

Restart the network

Restart the PS3

Enable 2FA (and signing in using the generated system password)

Disable 2FA

None of those worked. I tried enabling 2FA once more today and noticed no change, so I disabled it and logged in. I then got a different error, 80029721, which is SCE_NP_DRM_SERVER_ERROR_INVALID_USER_CREDENTIAL, which made me try both turning on 2FA and restarting the PS3. This finally worked and I was able to download things again. I think the PS3 has a cache of whether or not your credentials are "invalid" and that doesn't toggle off until you restart the system. Hope this works for others, though this might very well be just a me fix.

Congrats!

Undrey · Apr 4, 2021

Encephalon said:
Congrats!

Thanks! A part of me really thought I'd be screwed out of my download list forever.

AnimaRize · Apr 4, 2021

StereoVSN said:
Yes, fellow corporate citizen. Our lovable corporate overlord is fully within their rights to shut down and remove citizens' previous purchases.

Citizens shouldn't be playing old and crusty games, as they might get strange ideas of media ownership! Let's celebrate with rousing round of Knack 2.

You really think I don't know it is wrong but that is exactly what the ToS allows. It states that at any point they can shut down or restrict access to their service for what ever reason. That is the truth we agreed to it when we signed up. It is stated in the ToS for everyone to see

StereoVSN · Apr 4, 2021

AnimaRize said:
You really think I don't know it is wrong but that is exactly what the ToS allows. It states that at any point they can shut down or restrict access to their service for what ever reason. That is the truth we agreed to it when we signed up. It is stated in the ToS for everyone to see

You are being pedantic for no good reason. People realize Sony can legally shut shit down. What does that have to do with being unhappy and disappointed by this move?

Faenix1 · Apr 4, 2021

JuicyPlayer said:
I would have no problem with Sony shutting down the PS3/PSP/Vita stores if they just let you play these purchased games on new hardware and let you buy these older titles on the new store. Sony already had a PSP emulator going with the Minis titles you could play om the PS3. PS3 itself shouldn't be difficult to emulate on PS5 hardware either when groups have been making PS3 emulators on lesser PC hardware years before.

Indeed. If they handled this better I would be less sour about it all. At minimum it should of been a years notice + access to the web store to make getting our stuff easier.

In a better timeline, they should of released emulators on PS5. They seem to have one working for PS1, PS2, and PSP. It shouldn't be THAT hard for PS3 if, like you said, groups have one working for the most part. Sony money and expertise should make it better.

AnimaRize · Apr 4, 2021

StereoVSN said:
You are being pedantic for no good reason. People realize Sony can legally shut shit down. What does that have to do with being unhappy and disappointed by this move?

I know people are upset, but I also know that this was created by us thinking we would always have are purchases. That we traded owning for essentially glorified renting for convenience. Something we knew upfront with the ToS something no one really thought about until the end of the service came knocking. Yes it's upsetting, but we were warned when it happened to the Wii shop closed. But again we went it won't happen again companies would be stupid to do so ruin all that good will. When they flat out told us when we signed up. That they weren't the first to do it and definitely won't be the last.

JaseC64 · Apr 4, 2021

Combichristoffersen said:
'It's called the Xbox Series X'

Man just imagine official support for PS1, PS2 and PSP on PS5.

For shame man. Emulation is totally possible on these next gen consoles and Sony has all the documentation to make it happen on their hardware. Damn shame.

Combichristoffersen · Apr 4, 2021

JaseC64 said:
Man just imagine official support for PS1, PS2 and PSP on PS5.

For shame man. Emulation is totally possible on these next gen consoles and Sony has all the documentation to make it happen on their hardware. Damn shame.

Sony has all the HW documentation, so emulating PS1, PS2 and PSP should be trivial. But as they probably don't see it as being something that would provide much ROI they won't bother. It sucks, but it is what it is.

julia crawford · Apr 4, 2021

Damn. I mean they announced the shutdown of a legacy system probably hoping and preemptively moving people to new systems, and are probably lacking in people who can actually figure out what's wrong with the old stuff. Bad place to be for everyone.

ginger ninja · Apr 4, 2021

AnimaRize said:
You really think I don't know it is wrong but that is exactly what the ToS allows. It states that at any point they can shut down or restrict access to their service for what ever reason. That is the truth we agreed to it when we signed up. It is stated in the ToS for everyone to see

Anytime these ridiculous ToS contracts are brought before a court, they really stand the legal scrutiny and are generally disregarded. ToS does not provide a blanket legal binding, to my knowledge.

This whole thing is a fucking disaster. I know we don't condone talk of privacy but someone please tell me there are at least digital copies of all these PSN only games available somewhere out there that can be played on jailbroken consoles so at least the games can be preserved for historical purposes.

Nazgûl · Apr 4, 2021

Son of Sparda said:

lmao

AnimaRize · Apr 4, 2021

ginger ninja said:
Anytime these ridiculous ToS contracts are brought before a court, they really stand the legal scrutiny and are generally disregarded. ToS does not provide a blanket legal binding, to my knowledge.

Then someone should make a Class Action Lawsuit. This more than qualifies for one. These were purchases to own forever. No one I guess truly believe these were renting or leasing these games.

Ernest · Apr 4, 2021

If I could readily buy a PS5, and if said PS5 could play these games, this wouldn't be such an issue.

Undrey · Apr 4, 2021

Ernest said:
If I could readily buy a PS5, and if said PS5 could play these games, this wouldn't be such an issue.

Yup, pretty much what it boils down to.

Neonep · Apr 4, 2021

I'm curious as to how many games they sold and how much they made on that store over the last 2 years.

TheChrisGlass · Apr 4, 2021

Nerdkiller said:
I absolutely loathe how it isn't ordered alphabetically by default, and it doesn't save your sorting choice whenever you turn off the console. Sony has so many minor nuisances that they never seem to address over the past two generations that seem easily fixable, but never seem to get around to.

My favorite part is I can't manually check for updates on the PS5 for games unless it's a recent title that's on the main bar.

ANYTHING installed the library has no way to check for updates.

Neonep · Apr 4, 2021

Wouldn't it be better to just make a new store with all the same products that is more in line with current store or just put all those games on the current store. However you would probably have to update the firmware of the ps3, psp, & vita, products they don't make or support anymore.

A real discussion needs to be had about access to old games. Publishers need to invest more in ports I think. For example, Viewtiful Joe shouldn't be stranded on the PS2 and Gamecube & Metal Gear Rising shouldn't be stranded on the PS3 & 360.

Royce · Apr 4, 2021

Neonep said:
Wouldn't it be better to just make a new store with all the same products that is more in line with current store or just put all those games on the current store. However you would probably have to update the firmware of the ps3, psp, & vita, products they don't make or support anymore.

A real discussion needs to be had about access to old games. Publishers need to invest more in ports I think. For example, Viewtiful Joe shouldn't be stranded on the PS2 and Gamecube & Metal Gear Rising shouldn't be stranded on the PS3 & 360.

I don't think they'd necessarily need to update the store or firmware on old hardware. Why not make purchasing legacy games webstore only from now on? You would use the current store on PC to either buy old games outright or to buy a code that you could then redeem on PS3/PSP/Vita. They've already confirmed that redeeming codes will continue to work after the store closes, anyway.

super moustique · Apr 4, 2021

Undrey said:
It's been two days and I still can't download anything.

Wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't actually get fixed.

No problem at all on my end.

I was able to download Siren Blood Curse and a few PSX games flawlessly using both the US store and the FR one.

I can confirm you can see prices and put games in your cart (no invisible shit) on the FR store as well! :D

Neonep said:
Metal Gear Rising shouldn't be stranded on the PS3 & 360.

It's BC on XS and it's also available on PC.

strife85 · Apr 4, 2021

I cant dl a update my ps3 needs. Server issues right?

Lindsay · Apr 4, 2021

TheChrisGlass said:
Yeah. I know it's trendy to dump on Sony because of their success, but they went from the PS3 being a shining standard of so much.

Let's take the OS as 1 example. The XMB really was the star of browsing media. Now Xbox has trounced them. Browsing installed games on the Xbox is wayyyyyyy easier than the mess on PS5.

PS3/PSP were both greaters than the PS4. XMB did rule, an did loading images, music, an videos onto the hdd/memstick. On the PS3 at least ya could download that kinda stuff straight from the web browser! PS4 uh... plays games and has a web browser with confusing controls. How the heck did they mess up PS5's ui?

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