Yep. The defence of game freak and the dex being cut was just as "toxic" as those opposed to it.
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Pokémon Sword and Shield: Spoiler, leaks and datamine thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)
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Having to rush through the game to put the spoilers up on the internet sounds like a miserable way to play the game.
This is so depressing. No excuse for any of this.
The thing that doesn't make sense is...why cut the roster all the way down to 400? Their argument was that it was all becoming too much work to include 900+ Pokemon in the game. Fine. Ok. Why not 600-700, like we had in X/Y and Sun/Moon? Why this insane cut of almost 2/3 of the roster down to 400?
It's infuriating.
The people who should be embarrassed are the ones acting like their life is ruined because a goddamn pokemon got cut.
I dont necessarily agree with the decision but the level of anger, whining and crying is goddamn pathetic.
They can do what they want and I can think what I want. There's been far worse in the Pokémon fandom that a just complaint about the dex getting cut in half.
To me, Pokémon is and has always been about collecting creatures and completing the Dex. I actually don't really enjoy the battling aspect much, but I put up with it to get to the collecting and shiny hunting (which is why I really liked Let's Go and love Go). I wanted to see all of my past favorites meet new Pokémon in HD and see that Shiny Greninja I worked so hard to get make the transition, but now I can't. I hope Home is more than just a box but it's Game Freak so my expectations literally could not be any lower.
Yep, just as "toxic" as those driving you away from the community.
1. If there was, I think the leaker would have shown it off by now.
2. What, the curry minigame and camping?
You see this is what people mean by toxic. People can't be fine with this or clearly they are just blind defenders.
Also I certainly wasn't wrong. I expected the dex to be between 400-500 pokemon when we did that poll, so my expectations were met completely.
Yeah like harassing a reviewer cause they didnt review a remake high enough.
And you obviously can't see the toxicity you are creating in this thread with that tone.
Doesn't seem like anymore was said about post game currently beyond rematches and that post game episode, but I think we should wait some more.
Yup. This is what I expected all along too but it's funny how many people have moved from "we haven't seen the game" to "we don't know how many are cut" to "well there are probably lots of new ones" to now just "well I like it, don't be a baby"
1. Wild Area/Raids
2. Gigantamaxing/Dynamaxing
3. Camping/curry
4. Pokejob minigame
5. Roaming Pokemon
I even combined some mechanics that could count as their own entry. I think that's all there is to Sword and Shield, mate. What else do you want Gamefreak to show?
I honestly thought the general consensus was that we would get 400-500.
Is it the fake leak of over 600 that has people riled?
Jesus people are throwing around the word toxic as if it means anything. People are mad at the cut and Gamefreak, while others are less upsets about it. Let people have their own opinions either way.
That is the appeal to me too. However, a big part of why I invest so much time in collecting the Pokémon I've collected is under the assumption it was a permanent collection I could always grow. Over just the course of Gen VI and VII, I've bred and trained over 200 Pokémon which I use in post-game facilities and in multiplayer. That's time that's just lost now.
Imagine my frustration that I bred multiple Alolan Forms, trained them, and raised them to level 100 under the assumption they would be harder to collect in the future. Little did I know that all those Marowak and Muk I bred with different movesets and EV spreads would become useless to me the ensuing generation. :/
I cleared the Battle Tree with Tapu Lele, Hydreigon, and Mega Lucario, which formed a perfect coverage core. My whole team revolved around Tapu Lele, but I was able to experiment and utilize Pokémon I invested a ton of time in to training previously. This was possible because my collection carried forward. I was able to enjoy and experience new content in a fulfilling way specifically because my existing Pokémon were available to me.
People play Pokémon to different extents but the people who've invested the most also lose the most.
At least from these leaks, we don't have this type of info for -any- Pokemon yet. likely won't until an eventual datamine.
Nope, and considering we have the full dex leaked, it's pretty safe to assume there isn't a way, at least not in these games.
I'm not walking away, but absolutely nothing in my fifteen years of engaging with this fandom has been a fraction as unpleasant, contentious and grinding as the last five months.
I'm not even saying it's unjustified, but it absolutely has not been fun, and that's a bit of a problem when that's the only reason I ever take part in these discussions.
User warned: accusations of shilling
I don't think I've ever seen such a shill take in my life.
81 pokemon with just 3 legendaries… that's awesome. Not like gen 4/7 where a quarter of the dex is legends.
The entire design is dependant on the botched aspect, you'll never see normal looking ones
Thankfully we know it's not gonna happen because the Godless abominations are infinitely more clever and interesting than "blue fish" or "yellow raptor"
Well anyone with the game now is probably playing a press copy so they have to rush through it to write their review anyway.
This is my opinion also, said in a much calmer way than I could.
No clue, but I guess it's just the final ripping of the bandaid off. No matter what there was going to be hundreds cut.
The fusions are all you get
In real life we often don't have entire skeletons for extinct animals. The head/tails of those Pokemon may not even be known in their world.
You and me both. The fossils in this game are some of the very few Pokémon I don't really like.
Its not JUST about numbers though.
- no returning legendaries save for Mew
- no returning starters save for Charmander lol
- no elite 4
- no decent post-game, no additional legendaries to catch.
- cut Mega's which removes viable usage of like 15 pokemon (but I guess most were cut so whatever)
Dont get me wrong, this is actually my favorite Gen design-wise, but it doesnt excuse the BS shill tactics GF STILL employs:
- Cut 60% of the roster and Mega's when X/Y converted 593 pokemon from 2D to 3D all with animations and an additional 100 pokemon including Mega's
- Releases 2 versions of a game that are BARELY different from one another, when something like Three Houses gives you FOUR different campaigns and a lot more replayability.
- Releases a remake/updated version that clearly keeps content out on purpose to sell a 3rd (or in Sun/Moon's case, a 3rd and 4th) version of a mostly similar game. The only one that gets a pass IMO was Black/White sequels, because they were actually sequels.
Monster Hunter is a franchise that only got extremely popular with World, and they entirely stopped doing the shill tactic rereleases GF still employs. They released Iceborne as DLC and even lowered the price of World overall.
yeah the more I think about it, it does seem like we actually got a lot of mons this gen since they're all (for the part) normally encounterable on routes during a playthrough. As long as they're distributed throughout the region fine and we're mostly encountering new stuff, I like it.
1 and 2 are good additions, so I'll concede there.
3 and 4 are reskined poffins/pokemon amie/pokepelago. Still better then cutting them out completely I suppose.
5 is part of 1 isn't it?
Compare this to gen 3/4 (contests/pokeathlon + battle frontier), gen 5 (join avenue + pokestar studios + pokemon world tournament + Black Tower/White Treehollow + dream world).
I don't think any of the gameplay features we've seen so far will have the depth or longevity the above did, with the wild area being the only possible exception.
There has been an ordeal in the Pokémon fandom that's bred just as much bitterness and toxicity as this, and it was the VA choice back during the middle of Advanced Generation.
It was as overblown and embarrassing as this has been. And still is, in some places.
It was as overblown and embarrassing as this has been. And still is, in some places.
I mean, Gardevoir, outside of its Mega isn't nearly as good.
Basically, Gardevoir is useless.
I really don't have a problem with the regional dex as it stands. It's a really good regional dex, especially since the 3D era.
I would be singing its praises much more vocally were it not for the disappointment that this is all we get. The main game will be a lot of fun.
Not quite.
1. Torkoal and Pelipper got Drought and Drizzle in Gen 7, both are in this game.
2. With Dynamax, any pokemon can now set up Sun or Rain using the Max Fire and Water moves respectively.
Then add to that one of the new mons might Drought or Drizzle as well.
Yeah I have to agree that the fossils are the only bad Pokémon in Gen 8. I really hate how they look :/
Why do people keep bringing up the Elite Four not being in like it was cut for no reason or as a time saving measure? They're just trying something different, you'll still battle strong trainers at the end of the game, it just won't be four random unseen characters. It's like Trails replacing Gyms, it's just something they're trying for a generation.
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