i didn't say it was comparable, i just think it's needlessly confusing to refer to someone by their old name. especially when the article randomly calls him "ali" even when he was still "clay," sometimes within the same paragraph.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
PhilosophyTube comes out as a Trans Woman
- Thread starter Menchi
- Start date
I agree, the intent was obviously not bad, everyone has to chill a little when it's clear that it was an honest mistake.
Fair enough.
That's just inconsistencies due to Wikipedia being a collaborative work. These kinds of inconsistencies are supposed to be corrected, not used as justification for other stuff.
PhilosophyTube had always been one of those channels I was peripherally aware of but never actually watched.
That coming out video didn't lay out anything I didn't already know with regards to the current plight of trans people, but Christ was it depressing to see it packed up into such a succinct package like that. I've been... Having a very hard time feeling the weight of the world lately, and everything she said there is a big piece of why that's the case. She's so much stronger than I think I could ever be.
That coming out video didn't lay out anything I didn't already know with regards to the current plight of trans people, but Christ was it depressing to see it packed up into such a succinct package like that. I've been... Having a very hard time feeling the weight of the world lately, and everything she said there is a big piece of why that's the case. She's so much stronger than I think I could ever be.
"Trans women need to chill and not even give a gentle correction regarding misgendering someone while they're announcing their gender/pronouns."
Yeah, ok.
Don't do this, I am 100% for trans rights. I'm just saying it was an honest mistake. Your response wasn't really that bad in my eyes but a little pointed for someone who simply slipped up without evil intent. You could just say something like, hey you might not know it but that's not ok, people are trying to learn and not everything is an attack. Save it for people who are actively trying to put down the trans community, not for those trying to do the right thing that make a mistake.
That is all I'm saying.
It's angering what's happening here in the UK to increase transphobia and discrimination in the politics sphere through new measures. She's right that there's no trans MP/representative in politics, which is worse than other western countries. NHS needs to be reworked to be less discriminatory. There's a lot of work to be done but I hope we get to a world where being trans is normal, and everyone is afforded equal access to healthcare that's needed.
While I was annoyed by her reaction to the Contrapoints scandal and haven't watched her content since, I might go back now.
While I was annoyed by her reaction to the Contrapoints scandal and haven't watched her content since, I might go back now.
And what I'm saying is that I wasn't treating it as an attack, just gently correcting someone. You, however, are being very condescending.
Nothing was said that requires this lecture from you. Take a step back for a moment.
Misgendering remains misgendering nonetheless.
No one was rude or outright attacking anyone. But if you are really an ally you have to be able to take the 'heat' of a polite correction.
Ok that's fair guys, I'll back off and I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
those inconsistencies happening would seem to be an excellent reason to use just one name throughout the entire article. but it sounds like you think using clay for a bunch of it makes sense? i would like to hear why, because i see no point in doing that except in cases where his birth name is relevant for whatever reason. the articles on bob dylan or david bowie (the first two famous people who chose news names that came to mind) don't refer to them as zimmerman or jones when covering their earlier exploits.
Trans people were always the gender they transition to. They were just presenting as a different gender before then. I was always female, despite presenting as male for 40 years.
Really glad for her. I think Philosophy Tube is definitely one of my favourites channels. The bit about about it being an internal war that is not allowed to end really hit me in the feels. UK right now is sadly so trash for trans people. It's so weird to see all this TERFdom grow. Urgh.
I cried quite a lot watching the new video. Towards the end especially, it just hits incredibly close to home, and I think I'll be showing at least some clips of this to some cis friends and family to get across some of my feelings, as she puts them better than I ever could.
Okay first off congrats to her!
Second, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Abigail do a video a long while ago about male abuse victims as well. Or am I thinking of another YouTube?
Also is it strictly Abigail or does she also go by Abby?
Second, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Abigail do a video a long while ago about male abuse victims as well. Or am I thinking of another YouTube?
Also is it strictly Abigail or does she also go by Abby?
That was her too, yes.
Her friends in the comments of her Twitter post are calling her "Abi" so that's probably what they'd been calling her for some time.
The entire channel hits differently after watching her latest video (from today), since she came out internally a year ago but struggled to come to terms with it publicly (I imagine "TERF Island" played a big role in that). It just makes me think of the pain she was in making those videos.
However, she doesn't want to focus on the suffering aspect of it so I ultimately won't either. Really happy for her to have this weight lifted.
However, she doesn't want to focus on the suffering aspect of it so I ultimately won't either. Really happy for her to have this weight lifted.
Grats to her! Definitely feels like more people are comfortable coming forward now these days, despite the lingering hate out there.
Having no familiarity with this channel I was like "Holy shit, she has a youtube channel and managed to come out looking like she's been transitioning for years!". Then watched the video and looked looked at her past videos and first laughed at myself for that being my immediate though, then had to think I can only imagine what it was like to basically be transitioning in the public eye without being out yet.
Her relief and fears resonate deeply with me, though I do not have the pressure she must face as a youtube personality. It's especially sad to me that as rough as the USA can be as a trans person, it seems worse in the UK ATM. At least here some states are far more progressive with their policies and Biden's election should move the needle in the right direction for at least a bit.
Having no familiarity with this channel I was like "Holy shit, she has a youtube channel and managed to come out looking like she's been transitioning for years!". Then watched the video and looked looked at her past videos and first laughed at myself for that being my immediate though, then had to think I can only imagine what it was like to basically be transitioning in the public eye without being out yet.
Her relief and fears resonate deeply with me, though I do not have the pressure she must face as a youtube personality. It's especially sad to me that as rough as the USA can be as a trans person, it seems worse in the UK ATM. At least here some states are far more progressive with their policies and Biden's election should move the needle in the right direction for at least a bit.
It's going back the other way in the UK, not a single party in the UK cares about the plight of trans people and large parts of British culture and the mainstream press is transphobic.
The UK is absolutely shit for trans people right now. Imagine having stupid bloody Liz Truss & Kemi Badenoch as your supposed ministers for equality. Absolutely fucking useless, at best, but in truth, they're a pair of vindictive bastards intent on destroying the rights of anyone other than themselves. Sorry, always angry at Liz Truss at the very least.
Yeah, this is the shit that hurts. Labour are shoddy at best, with members frequently "protecting the rights of women, but not those ghastly fake-women" and even the SNP, long held as a bastion of progressiveness, has stupid bollox twats like Joanna Cherry running us down on the same TERF-y shit
UGHHH. Sorry. This isn't the thread (One I made, no less... lol) for complaining
I don't watch her channel as much as maybe I should, but congrats all the same.
This might be overly pedantic, but... when it comes to improper usage of the gender neutral pronouns of "they/them", I think it might be more intuitive as to why it's wrong if you referred to it as "disgendering" rather than "misgendering".
She did.
In the new video she says her friends call her Abby and Abs. Obviously we are not her friends, though, so I would be reluctant to use familiar nicknames like that.
They/them is the neutral/inclusive term to use in most cases as it includes everyone (male gender, female gender, gender, gender fluid, etc.).
In this case, because the topic is her coming out, you would want to use she/her. But in a topic where gender was irrelevant the singular they is a good neutral term to use because it doesn't exclude anyone.
Singular they has been a thing in English as far back as the 1300s, but it's only been in the last two decades that academics have started to accept it as correct usage. (Academics are known to be stubborn. 😀)
This excerpt from Time goes into more detail:
congrats to her !
though if I can be honest and clearly self centered, I'm feeling a weird sense of loss at this information. I saw who she used to present as, as a great role model and example of positive masculinity, one that particularly resonated with me. I don't really know what to think of this in light of this news.
edit
well shit, she addressed this precise point in the vid and now I feel like an ass
though if I can be honest and clearly self centered, I'm feeling a weird sense of loss at this information. I saw who she used to present as, as a great role model and example of positive masculinity, one that particularly resonated with me. I don't really know what to think of this in light of this news.
edit
well shit, she addressed this precise point in the vid and now I feel like an ass
Last edited:
So happy for her! I got into her videos recently and her work is great.
It's awful how bad things have gotten in the UK. I really hope there is a turn-around soon.
It's awful how bad things have gotten in the UK. I really hope there is a turn-around soon.
As a straight cis man who had a huge gay crush on her, I would suggest whatever traits you identified as positive to your masculine persona to continue embracing. Gender is fluid, and that includes those of us who still identify to more traditional presentations, don't worry about finding the role models only within your gender because then you're just reducing those aspects to conservative gender norms.
Big congrats to Abby, her coming out video really hits you in the feels and you can tell in the end that a huge weight has been lifted off of her.
Interesting that she specifically pointed out how people might react that looked up to her as a male-role model when she was still presenting male. Im not sure if I looked up to her male persona per se, but I definitely always really liked the flair that persona had and atleast from time to time I caught myself thinking I would like to be more like that, but I guess that isnt diminished in any way by her coming out. Its also a good reminder that you never really know who the person behind the camera truly is and that you should treat youtube videos as what they mostly are - a performance. Definitely looking forward to her upcoming content.
Interesting that she specifically pointed out how people might react that looked up to her as a male-role model when she was still presenting male. Im not sure if I looked up to her male persona per se, but I definitely always really liked the flair that persona had and atleast from time to time I caught myself thinking I would like to be more like that, but I guess that isnt diminished in any way by her coming out. Its also a good reminder that you never really know who the person behind the camera truly is and that you should treat youtube videos as what they mostly are - a performance. Definitely looking forward to her upcoming content.
