you are correct if you can see why this is such a load of BS
what a " Democracy "
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Pelosi announces formal Impeachment Inquiry into President Trump
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you are correct if you can see why this is such a load of BS
what a " Democracy "
Bernie's real estate scandal is really confusing. It'd probably be about as unsuccessful as Bengahzi, which was also a very confusing. It's a thing I feel I need to read a lot just to understand what people are actually accusing him of, unlike Biden where I have to read a lot to understand why the simple thing that sounds incredibly bad is only a little bad.
Pocahontas is really easy for everyone to understand, but I'm not so sure people see it as that big of a problem. It's like Bill Clinton's impeachment, easy to know what happened and why it's bad, hard to know why it's so bad that it questions his ability to be a good president.
And I honestly have no idea what they'd try with Harris because she never became enough of a threat for them to try anything.
In any case, you'd have to be blind to not see how Hillary and Biden are particularly at risk of this.
Biden was the spokesperson of a unified Western effort to remove the corrupt official and the money mentioned was loan guarantees. It's completely different than threatening to withhold strategic military aid unless you get political dirt on your election rivals. This false equivalency shit has to stop.
Nobody is claiming equivalence.
The issue to me is this: Is Biden such a good candidate that I think it's worth a try to inform the general electorate why they're not equivient before the November election? My answer is, no, we don't need to put ourselves in the situation at all, we have several other good candidates, better actually if I dare say, so why on Earth would I think it's a good idea to nominate Biden and hope and pray that we can convince the undecided masses in the middle why they're not the same thing?
If Biden wanted to really have that last dare to be great moment he'd end his campaign with a statement about how he didn't want his continued candidacy to be used as cover for clear abuse of the powers of the office by a sitting President, then spend the rest of the campaign pushing back against the false narrative springing up over this.
Then we all win as he can stop talking about race relations and the economic inequality in our country where he constantly reminds us that he's mostly ok with the status quo on both fronts, and spend the next year fucking dunking on Trump as a shield for the eventual nominee.
And by that I mean go full troll on Trump. Do Uncle Joe Reacts videos following any pressers/statements Trump has to make regarding the impeachment where Biden's rolling his eyes, making those "look at this guy" hand gestures, and basically calls Trump a crooked dope on a daily basis. Even lean into The Onion shit and do interviews while driving around in a Trans-Am. The media would eat that up but with Biden out of the race it could only hurt Trump and let the Dem nominee run as the person above the toxicity of our current politics, until they get into a debate with a Trump who's been personally savaged by Biden for 8 months when they can clown on him for actually being a fucking dope who still doesn't know how to govern after nearly 4 years in the White House.
Then we all win as he can stop talking about race relations and the economic inequality in our country where he constantly reminds us that he's mostly ok with the status quo on both fronts, and spend the next year fucking dunking on Trump as a shield for the eventual nominee.
And by that I mean go full troll on Trump. Do Uncle Joe Reacts videos following any pressers/statements Trump has to make regarding the impeachment where Biden's rolling his eyes, making those "look at this guy" hand gestures, and basically calls Trump a crooked dope on a daily basis. Even lean into The Onion shit and do interviews while driving around in a Trans-Am. The media would eat that up but with Biden out of the race it could only hurt Trump and let the Dem nominee run as the person above the toxicity of our current politics, until they get into a debate with a Trump who's been personally savaged by Biden for 8 months when they can clown on him for actually being a fucking dope who still doesn't know how to govern after nearly 4 years in the White House.
This. The pressure can be a catalyst for more impeachable behavior. The Senate will be on record and judged by history.
None of the Biden's actual scandals sticks, because to the public (and most of our grandparents) he's a loveable teddy bear.
It's also part of the reason this particular issue got the impeachment ball rolling so fast, and the Senate buckled with the whistleblower complaint.
Biden is really, really popular, and shenanigans against him are really, really unpopular. It will take real, sincere effort to defeat him as both the Dem nominee and the 2020 frontrunner.
When is the next Last Week Tonight coming out? Not American, so I usually binge a few every couple of weeks, but I want to see any new Impeachment-related ones ASAP.
it will take Warren winning Iowa, where she's currently leading. That leading to more primary wins is not unheard of, it's basically what happened to Hillary in 08
Hopefully good riddance to a nasty, thick piece of fucking trash. The only leadership position he should be given is being in charge of washing dishes in a nursing home. I look forward to his accelerated physical and mental decline once he's out of office. God, he makes me fuckin mad.
the New York Times is talking about Impeachment on the newest episode of their podcast The Daily, check that out if you'd like.
Pelosi was pressured by her caucus to call for impeachment.
This wasn't her plan or her desire. This was pressure.
Democratic leadership is driven by fear, not principle, which is why they are unbelievably weak.
This wasn't her plan or her desire. This was pressure.
Democratic leadership is driven by fear, not principle, which is why they are unbelievably weak.
So much fear and weaknesses, it's pathetic. So many Democrats continue to worry more about upsetting Republicans than making their own case. That's why you lose.
I'm still amazed that people think this will energize Trump's base. Here's a fucking newsflash for you. They are already and will be energized anyway. Trump is their God who will make sure they hear about 2020 every day until the election no matter what.
I knew it. There was a lot of bedwetting on here that maybe it's not so bad if he wants to release it. But he says a lot of things and changes his mind. He's a bullshitter.
The day wasn't even over and we've already started on our first count of obstruction of justice.
That complaint lawfully goes to both Intelligence Committees unfiltered. It's not the White Houses' to redact or declassify.
There is no case to be made if there literally arent enough democrat/leaning democrat voters in states. Stop acting like their is never a time for the electoral college to be considered.
It's not really his base which are at risk being energised, it's conservative, moderates and sympathisers who will see it as a threat to the status quo. They are why Trump won '16, not the base.
They can't not worry about Republicans since they never have the numbers or discipline[1], Democrats being referred to as herding cats is popular for a reason, since due to how congress is structured they rely on x number of Republicans to switch/conservative Democrats or they might end up with nothing. This is why compromise is a necessary tool in politics, you can't change shit without x votes. This tactic has proven to be a bigger winner in the US than politicians who follow your style of leadership. This isn't football where brute strength and willpower win the day.
[1] Compared to the GOP who are more prone to bowing down to their masters when the dust settles in a presidential election. Look at how they bent the knee to Trump, the Never Trumpers do this, too.
That's how it's supposed to work, despite it being a hierarchy organisation it's a delicate balance to hold the party factions together and any Speaker who fails to do that ends up with nothing, see Paul Ryan. Fear and principal aren't exclusive, effective leadership relies on both in politics or they end up not getting elected and you can't change the system within the government when you're forced to sit on the sidelines. If they were as weak as you're suggesting they wouldn't be at the top of the Democratic party.
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Adorable response Anakin. Trying to stay focused on the numbers and realpolitick isn't fear or weakness. Believing this bubble of a forum is indicative of the minds of swing state voters is absolute stupidity.
First polling indicates that a majority of the country and independents favor impeachment.
There's also the fact that having an energized base is incredibly important. With impeachment proceedings finally going forward and Elizabeth Warren rolling like a freight train towards becoming the nominee the base is going to be the most energized it has been since 2008. There are more of us than there are of them.
True, I just wish Barr didn't exist. To have someone heading the DOJ with a sliver of impartiality, or the very least, a respect for the law would go a long way towards getting all this done without fuckery.
Only if it's possible to apply the pressure to get the right amount of votes. There is no guarantee of that, it's why everyone's writing off the senate.
You can always expect fuckery coming out of Washington DC, Barr or not. The important thing here is to rally behind a candidate that rises above it and has called it out forcefully for years. If that person is Warren (or Sanders) the GOP will get crushed next year.
I havr a question.
Whats the non impeachment plan?
Hoping the gop was just kidding about stealing elections? Same with no security for our openly hacked/meddled elections?
Trump stops contaminating all bodies of functioning government and having no responsibility to law...?
Thats the status quo? That's what racist.light people want to keep?
Whats the non impeachment plan?
Hoping the gop was just kidding about stealing elections? Same with no security for our openly hacked/meddled elections?
Trump stops contaminating all bodies of functioning government and having no responsibility to law...?
Thats the status quo? That's what racist.light people want to keep?
we don't need a non impeachment plan yet, there's an impeachment plan
The people writing off the Senate are straight up stupid. Colorado, Arizona, Maine, Iowa, and North Carolina are all winnable races. And then there are other races where there's a punchers chance like Georgia, Texas, Alaska, and Montana. Anyone that thinks it's impossible to win 4 of these states is a fool.
Beating them in the next elections. It's a risky option but there is no button we can push to make it all disappear. There are no "safe" choices here.
Impeachment or convicting Trump won't make that go away. The government is working on that as we speak, as well. There's more going on than impeaching Trump and doing nothing.
Yes.
That's in an election, right now the GOP own the senate.
My mistake, I thought we were discussing whether impeachment will negatively impact the 2020 election or not.
No no no. I mean the argument that says this is a win for trump. As it will scare off s that the status quo that should remain...?
Ah so.. Hoping an open season hacked election with a corrupt president joking about russia hackong us and getting other countries to dig up dirt on political foes is the plan.
Got it. So Georgia didnt happen in this alternative time line then? And things wont get more brazen and desperate.
None of that checks out as reality.
You don't believe various government agencies are working on making sure this doesn't happen again after US got hacked by Russia in '16? That the only path to ending that is impeaching Trump? How would an impeachment stop all that? It wouldn't even end with Trump not being president as is since the Republicans control the senate.
Of course they'll get more brazen and desperate, I'm saying there are people in the government who are trying to make sure it won't happen again. The alphabet agencies and other government organisations who fall under that jurisdiction didn't shut down once Trump became president.
Here's some of what they're doing:
Part of me is happy that This is happening, but I think that trump and his administration play the media better than any democrat in office ever could. They will take this whole thing and turn it on it's head with basic terms and lies. Media is horrible at calling that shit out.
Trump obviously wants to plant negative Biden stories out there and this is what he is getting now.
The fact that republican congressmen are going on tv and saying that "we will talk with you after all the materials are released, just wait and see" makes me think that they are all on the same page and have been given their marching orders just like all of their congressional hearings.
With that being said, about damn time pelosi.
Trump obviously wants to plant negative Biden stories out there and this is what he is getting now.
The fact that republican congressmen are going on tv and saying that "we will talk with you after all the materials are released, just wait and see" makes me think that they are all on the same page and have been given their marching orders just like all of their congressional hearings.
With that being said, about damn time pelosi.
This is not exactly true, I made a post about this issue a few days ago but it's not so much that Trump is amazing at manipulating the media, it's that the folks who own and run these media corporations actively want to help him. They also want your views so they'll engage in this WWE style heel role with Trump so you watch their programing but make no mistake about it, they're going to do whatever they can to get him re-elected in 2020.
And obviously the data they used and/or their analysis methods were bad, or it would have correctly reflected the outcome.
He isn't scared he knows there will be no meaningful consequences
Also... quick question. Why does having impeachment hearings impact democrats or republicans? It is not like there is a government shutdown during an impeachment inquiry/ trial.... all I hear is political risk this and political risk that.
Trump tweeted something about Democrats not wanting health care costs to go down and gun control, but they literally sent bills to the senate months ago. Why don't they plaster Moscow Mitch's unwillingness to do his job?
I hate this narrative shit. Also the republicans are saying "why couldn't they have waited for trump to release the transcript or whistleblower info before the impeachment". What the fuck?? They were literally blocking and stonewalling the info until they knew that the impeachment was coming.
Trump tweeted something about Democrats not wanting health care costs to go down and gun control, but they literally sent bills to the senate months ago. Why don't they plaster Moscow Mitch's unwillingness to do his job?
I hate this narrative shit. Also the republicans are saying "why couldn't they have waited for trump to release the transcript or whistleblower info before the impeachment". What the fuck?? They were literally blocking and stonewalling the info until they knew that the impeachment was coming.
Their data did correctly reflect the outcome. He had a 25% chance of winning.