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Opencritic puts up first ever PSA warning people about disparity of performance between platforms and suspected intentional misleading of consumers
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the fact that people were asking cdpr about how the hell it was going to run on ps4/xb1 ever since the first gameplay was shown. this game should never have been revealed for ps4/xb1 at all.
There are no doubt a lot of good, extremely overworked people at CDPR for whom this has been, and continues to be a nightmare. I feel for those individuals. This must be hard to watch.
On the flip side, CDPR as an entity has a lot to answer for here. Shitty prelaunch behavior toward trans folks, marketing obsessively and running PR to create a legion of goon-like fans who harassed critics at every turn, content in the game that seems really tone deaf at best and downright racist at worst, manipulation of reviews and embargoes to only demonstrate the one platform that seemed in a more reasonable place quality wise, and all of that before we even talk about the actual game being a buggy mess. People don't want to see CDPR just get away with it and tout big sales figures. I can't blame them for that.
... and treats them horribly by forcing them to go through horrible crunch only to still release the game in a horrible state, which will lead to even more crunch.
I'm glad they're pushing this further and other outlets should too.
They Knew It Was Wrong. CD Projekt Red Deceived Consumers Anyway.
CD Projekt Red sought to mislead consumers and secure their bonuses when distributing review copies.opencritic.com
Disgusting behaviour to deceive consumers and ensure sales before putting out a laughable apology. If not already with everything else, this should stain their reputation evermore.
How their reputation has anything clean enough to be further stained is remarkable.
good for you MattEnth
A lot game reviewers really need to reevaluate how they approach their practice.
I personally completely checked out after the Skyrim PS3 debacle. That shit was broken beyond broken for me and seeing how that got a pass made lose all faith in "mainstream" reviews.
To see something similar happening again with Cyberpunk. They need to put their foot down on letting the pubs/devs dictate all the terms. This shit should never be happening.
I personally completely checked out after the Skyrim PS3 debacle. That shit was broken beyond broken for me and seeing how that got a pass made lose all faith in "mainstream" reviews.
To see something similar happening again with Cyberpunk. They need to put their foot down on letting the pubs/devs dictate all the terms. This shit should never be happening.
People thought that this would be a game of many firsts. I imagine this was not what they expected.
Yes I agree, reviewers need to take a hard look at themselves and the way they review future games.
This whole debacle is not only embarrassing for CDPR but is a wake up call for reviewers. The games should be reviewed on the most popular platforms as that's what most people play on or reviewers should commit to reviewing every single platform independently for big releases like this and not just have 1 review score based on 1 platform which the game publishers decide. This in itself rings alarm bells
FWIW, we requested it on all platforms to do some comparison footage (as that's doing *numbers* right now), specifically stated that we had a PC with a 3080. Silence.
A lot of companies employ a lot of good people but that doesn't make companies inherently good. This is about a company who profited off of years of hype by sending out a game who's quality they obfuscated. It's a bad practice and it's fine to call CDPR a bad company, just like we talk about how EA and Activision, and we can say that without having to constantly add the caveat of: "Well everyone involved in the decision making except for the really nice people". You can probably assume the nice devs aren't included when we critique the company particularly when one of the main critiques is about the company abusing its devs through crunch. It's fine for people to want the end of a company that has no interest in treating its employees humanely.
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does opencritic have platform specific scores similar to metacritic? i cant seem to find it.
if not, they should work on that asap.
if not, they should work on that asap.
Karma ...it's a bitch....not just for CDPR, but also for the whole game media industry. Seeing some justifiable back peddaling , but there needs to be some serious looking at relationships and responsibilities.
This has been an issue I've had with multi-format reviews since at least the PS360 era. An overwhelming majority of reviews all come from the lead platform and if you don't own that platform your taking a chance if you don't look up specific comparisons first as any major issues wont show up in reviews. There is also a problem now even within a single ecosystem as you get only Pro/X versions being reviewed with little indication what the base console is like.
They don't split them, and in the article posted upthread, they explain they'd rather stick to that approach.
The fact of the matter is that generally speaking, as people like MHWilliams have outlined here, most outlets don't review games several times for different versions, so on the aggregate you're left with choosing your poison between having a split that's not meaningful, and a single metric that aggregates a ton of different things (which is a problem with aggregates in general).
Comparing MC and OC on this game is interesting as it really illustrates the caveats of both approaches.
Yeah. It illustrates that many video game "review" sites really are just marketing props.
The late delay of the game shows how the CDPR exececutives were starting to piss their pants because they knew they couldn't release a decent product on time.
All my sympathy goes to the developers who undoubtedly did their utmost. It's a management failure. As it almost always is.
Kudos to OpenCritic for this.
Exactly. And obviously that doesn't excuse any studio from asking money for such a broken product, but it's the people blindly throwing money at those very products that perpetuates the problem.
Thanks for taking the time to write that all up. Question for you though - given all that, why not just hold the review until after the console version embargo? I feel like outlets do that often with online-centric games, to make sure the experience is good once servers go live and real players are playing the game. Can you think of any reason not to do that in this instance, other than to be in that first rush of reviews and get the clicks?
Wow no way. Man I feel bad for buying the game I'm going to return it today I can't support that
That's funny you bring that up I haven't seen that one that had the official poster and was posting non stop about it anywhere. That's a little suss
Insane if true.
CDPR quickly went from one of the most pro-consumer developers to a bunch of transfobic douchebags.
You mean Black Chamber? He was perma'd for transphobia and deceiving the site staff with promises of supporting the trans community in his Cyberpunk OTs and never following through.
Man, the Kinda Funny segment on this game yesterday was fucking scathing. I gave them a lot of shit for their coverage of games like Anthem or Avengers a pass, but good on them for holding CDPR accountable
whether one is a good dev or not is irrelevant to the fact that they put out a public product that shouldn't be free of criticism
people are saying this is a shit game, not that the developers kick puppies
Step 1. Push for pre-orders in your marketing
Step 2. Release game in a broken state at launch
Step 3. Repeat
Eventually people are going to catch on ... right?
the game should have been delayed to november 2021
that would hopefully have been enough time to let the staff breathe a little. by that time, enough ps5s and xsx should be out there to have made skipping ps4 and xbo feasible. it would have launched on ps5 xsx and pc day and date. would have been enough time to sort out bugs that are even in the pc version currently.
that would hopefully have been enough time to let the staff breathe a little. by that time, enough ps5s and xsx should be out there to have made skipping ps4 and xbo feasible. it would have launched on ps5 xsx and pc day and date. would have been enough time to sort out bugs that are even in the pc version currently.
Witcher 3 was not like this. Yes, performance was bad on consoles. But multiple aspects of the gameplay were not straight up broken like they are with Cyberpunk.
The PC score slipping below 90 is deserved. I was really looking forward to this game but Giantbomb's feedback about the experience dampened my enthusiasm. Hasan enjoying it made me consider I'll get it in a week or two later but the reports about the base consoles was so disappointing I think I might not buy it for a year because even though I have a PC that can easily run it the game is clearly so buggy what's the point?Finally enough PS4/Xbox One reviews to put a number on it, huh?
I don't need to support CD Projekt providing a frustrating experience. They failed to do the right thing and offer a playable experience to many people which is the big turn off even though I'm not directly affected as much.
Witcher 3 is a poor comparison. Now that you mention this I recall I believe mathewmatosis mentioning for months there were serious issues with Witcher 2 on consoles.
More like September 2021 or even early 2022. look at the delay from April to December and in which state game released, April wouldn´t have changed much.
That's a very good and deserving statement, fuck CDPR and fuck this game.
Absolutely mind boggling how everyone at CDPR knew last-gen versions of the game were complete shit and chose to go ahead with the release, did they think no one would notice lmao
Absolutely mind boggling how everyone at CDPR knew last-gen versions of the game were complete shit and chose to go ahead with the release, did they think no one would notice lmao
More delays wouldn't have helped much, no matter how long they were. I'm not sure if you've seen silly bugs like typos, but these aren't oversights. Workers were crunching for such a long period of time that I highly suspect they just couldn't be 100% concentrated anymore. Now, imagine if they had to continue that for even longer. And we honestly can't expect CDPR to delay and not keep crunching.
If anything, I feel for the workers who now have to keep working at a very low capacity for the next patches, having to fix console versions they didn't even have a say in.
Cyberpunk 2077 is simply a complete failure from CDPR's management. They should be held accountable.
Weird since i thought the royal additions by far were not that great compared to the original game. The new ending stuff really felt tacked on and not fully integrated.
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An 89 is an amazing score on it's own (to give you an idea Silent Hill 2 and Dark Souls 1 have it) but it's a pretty disappointing one for one of the most hyped games of the last decade.
as it stands an 89 is too good considering how it runs for over 50% of users. but i actually think there is a 90+ game hiding in there somewhere. i just don't think we'll actually see it for another 6-12 months. and that's exactly when people should be buying it...likely for £10 in the bargain bins.